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mircea_popescu: who would want that!!!1
mircea_popescu: you wouldn't want anyone to be able to make a gui without importing rust-whatever ?
asciilifeform: 'where, sir, wouldja like this put!'
asciilifeform: srsly?! what did they put in its place, urdu ?
mircea_popescu: used to be exactly what alf says, the building blocks of "gui".
asciilifeform: hm i thought ansi 'norton' graphics made it in
asciilifeform: in other definitely-not-noose, turns out chechen has ( sorta like the turkic langs ) an astonishing proliferation of tenses ( e.g. you cannot say 'last night epony was impaled on scimitar', gotta specify a tense that depends on e.g. whether you personally witnessed said edifying act, and whether impaled repeatedly or merely 1 thrust, or... )
asciilifeform: aa this muchly yes
mircea_popescu: the issue of textual->pictographic representation is a lot wider and deeper than what the imbeciles rephrased it as, and proceeded to "solve" in their usual fucktarded manbners.
asciilifeform: how's that ? ( verily it is problem, but how here )
mircea_popescu: and i suspect the "unicode" problem is tightly bound into this.
asciilifeform: 1 of the things asciilifeform would luvvv to see reimplemented in a nearfyootoor sane scripting lisp
mircea_popescu: ah i supposed i whined on trilema directly.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-05 13:12 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1831734 << launches today ! ( making a few edits atm )
asciilifeform: lol the cheek.
mircea_popescu: i guess next time i ban his whole c class. two bit shitheads on two bit shitnet with pooled ips
epony: cut the crap, what do you want?
epony: almost there
epony: Can you guess what the answer was?
epony: I'll have to ask that too.
asciilifeform: afaik they did not like lefthanders any moar than europistan did.
asciilifeform: btw how the fuck does one go about writing r->l orclangs without smudging, i'd like to know.
asciilifeform idly wonders whether this actually displays on anybody's box but mine
a111: Logged on 2018-07-05 22:12 mircea_popescu: a language dumb enough, by the way, that there's no way to distinguish between "i expect" and "i hope". espera-m-ia-i pula.
asciilifeform: ( what do you own that's worked ~continuously~ for 40+yrs without stopping ? outside of own torso )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> a language dumb enough, by the way, that there's no way to distinguish between "i expect" and "i hope". espera-m-ia-i pula. << My eyebrows have been getting an incredible amount of exercise here
asciilifeform: tell usa victim about su konsoomer ~mechanical~ clock with temperature compensation, ruby bearings, etc., he will assume you've taken lsd. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ... these are just about eternal, just needs change of oil erry 3 decades or so
asciilifeform: and on subj, not long ago asciilifeform repaired, for relative, ancestral clock, what looked like cheap alarm clock but is actually an enlarged sov copy of ~swiss~ movement , made to 'cosmonaut' specs, believe ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( fully 50 y. old, picture this )
asciilifeform: asciilifeform has this recurrent real-life nightmare erry time he has to replace a piece of ancestral tech. most recently, i shit thee not, a pillow
mircea_popescu: a language dumb enough, by the way, that there's no way to distinguish between "i expect" and "i hope". espera-m-ia-i pula. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and yes definitely from "back home", bought it in romania, was unable to replace because spanish speakers are idiots to a man, for the reason that their stupid mothers spoke a stupid language to them.
asciilifeform: was speaking of the cut, not the fabric
mircea_popescu: i thought sepukky was silk
asciilifeform: i think it's from back home.
asciilifeform: mine loox sorta like old-style kimono, the kind to seppuku in, and is prolly 20yo at this point
mircea_popescu: yet EVERY shop in this cowtown HAS IT. same exact item. everywhere. pretentious malls, built for no reason, "expensive" "brand" shops, offering... the same exact nothings.
asciilifeform: i've yet to see shortsleeve bathrobe lol
mircea_popescu: who and in what cloud of toxic smoke came up with short sleeved bathrobes ?!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yes, they teach the girls to raise livestock and fix their clothing
mircea_popescu: and SAME fucking thing with bath robes. you have your choice of a) plastic, imported from miami or b) chinese notion of fluffed cotton, looks like insane asylum ware, WITH SHORT SLEEVES
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the agronomist society ?!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You gotta look for the girls that grew up in places where "4H" is a thing
mircea_popescu: fwiw, proper size beach towel had to be crafted, "not available" from "retailers" of "industry"
mircea_popescu: yes it's fundamentally stupid ; but superficially sane. and in a world that's fucking stupid throughout, the "i don't give a shit what they started with, they have x y z working processes" is quite tempting.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform sews own, i shit thee not, buttons.
asciilifeform: btw if anyone ever in usa met chix born in past three,4 decades that know what sewing even is -- do post.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform handsewn underwear, so help me. this is how stuff like mormonism endures, ftr.
mircea_popescu: they're so god damned useful, these pointless morons, i have an assembly line of stripper-phds running all over to find the most banal of items.
asciilifeform: i'd almost expect at this point mircea_popescu would have his pets learn to sew.
asciilifeform: sounds exactly liek the shoes thread etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform don't remind me, i am $1000 dollars into the adventure of finding underwear for myself.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-27 23:41 asciilifeform: generally -- the industrialist saw the artisan as a headache, and killed him. nao we get to 'enjoy' the fruits of de-artisan'ed industry.
asciilifeform: re gui-ism, naggum had a pretty good discussion re the resulting psychopatholigies, i cannot possibly top it
mircea_popescu: what the "gay community" got out of the mess is that it's actually even MORE difficult for gay man to find a partner today than it was in 1980.
asciilifeform: ( who do not actually get lifted to wherever level, but instead grow a set of unreasonable expectations and rage moar than before )
asciilifeform: more often than not, the joke's on the insignificant minority folx.
mircea_popescu: it'd have been a fuckhell of a lot better to NOT liberalize it, and for the effort we'd still have a bunch of sad faggots crying in the corner, AND ALSO a natural and universally confirmed expectation 20something housewife-to-be can work webirc by herself on first encounter.
asciilifeform: 'diverse, inclusive' has ~massive~ cost, that somebody ends up paying.
mircea_popescu: but what we got for the "diverse, inclusive internet" is the move from the "sov schooling & father's army belt" 1980s where ~all kids understood most basic things naturally~ through a period of "confusion" and into this situation of smartphone and food delivery, where ~all kids understand nothing useful~.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:23 asciilifeform: the 'postel's law' nonsense, of silently forgiving people who send liquishit at the dusty disused corners of the protocol, enabling there to even ~be~ such a thing as dusty corners in a protocol!, MUST die.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 16:40 asciilifeform: gnat has a deliberately brittle behaviour re the restriction pragmas -- if you use one it doesn't know about, it barfs. ( and i'm not even convinced that this is wrong. half of the appeal of ada is that it takes 'postel's law', rips off its head, and fucks the stump )
a111: Logged on 2016-06-14 14:25 asciilifeform: did we ever do a 'postel's law not only considered harmful but a disaster of epic proportions, quite comparable to leaded petrol' thread ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik it is quite difficult to smoke to death early enuff to keep from reproducing ( possibly i'm missing some detail )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there are some very strong arguments available for intolerance.
mircea_popescu: very much like "preventing ~other people~ from smoking means 7% of the taxpayers don't die early from cancer they got ~in this manner~, so they either find some other abortion mechanism or else even worse news, they get to pass on their shitgenes)
asciilifeform: reportedly to this very day NOTHING in jp comes in left-hand -- not desks, not toilets, not rifles in their miniature army, nuffin.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hence the old-time su (or, for that matter current-day jp) solution: There Will Not Be Lefthanders. Period.
mircea_popescu: "oh, but this means 7% of kids don't get their shit beat out of them regularly ages 6-9 for THIS reason"
mircea_popescu: somehow this never figures in the blather (also called "conversation" in-universe) : that the COST for "being inclusive to left handed people" is that a) all tools now must come with manual indicating whether left or right handed item and b) it's ambiguous, when going for a tool, which hand to go with.
asciilifeform: and just how many webirc scrips are there.
mircea_popescu: because back then, yes less diveristy, and consequently, also more obviousness.
mircea_popescu: or maybe the ~COST~ of diversity is stupidity.
asciilifeform: then nfi, perhaps backthen sov schooling and father's army belt did some of the work prior to getting'em into your circus.
mircea_popescu: yep, same exact thing then as now.
mircea_popescu: "things that crawled out of their mother's cunt, stuck around long enough to grow a cunt of their own, and tits to go with it"
asciilifeform: hm then.
mircea_popescu: same thing as now, really.
asciilifeform: aa but you weren't training circus seals in '98 wereya.
mircea_popescu: i dunno dood, i don't fucking remember having to explain anyone how to use webirc in 1998.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember back when "self evident" was a thing ? legitimately, was an actual thing.
mircea_popescu: kawaiiwhore little red tab right next to this one.
asciilifeform: but yes, tricky
asciilifeform: while imho this is not a 'let's do this right nao' scheme, it is prolly the Right Thing in re 'trb-i' block propagation. no moar 'block withholding' nonsense. no reason why trbi should not own ionosphere the same way mircea_popescu projected bitcoin will 'own' mains current generation capacity.
asciilifeform: box, incidentally, doesn't need to know anyffing re particulars of gossip protocol; simply verify(4096b) luby packets, rejecting old nonces, reassemble into block, and then retransmit until a newer block is assembled, then repeat ad infinitum.
asciilifeform: a larger and expensive version of the item could be built conceivably with off-the-shelf iron, all it'd take is a bit of courage, can plug it in wherever one happens to have access to unguarded mains socket plus a window to string the aerial from.
asciilifeform: if device made for unit cost of e.g. 1 $, enemy can then enjoy going bankrupt spending 5k to find each one in the woods.
asciilifeform: in principle, this here would be one of the rare cases where baking an asic would be a massive win (in that there's not much of a practical alternative)
asciilifeform: the holy grail would be to stuff this into a fpga. however ice40 isn't even remotely bigenuff.
mircea_popescu: downconverting is a much stickier issue than meets the eye
asciilifeform: re the 'unattended relay' concept, the gnarliest sticking point is the need for a rsatron that can verify a 4096b signature in a few msec, and while running on battery/photocell, not with whole comp
asciilifeform: the most economical receive-only station would prolly still consist of the realtek + a (working) downconverter.
asciilifeform: ( i tried the chinese-made 'downconverters' to bring it into the necessary band, thus far none worked worth a sparrow's fart )
asciilifeform: trinque: battlefield version of the hypothetical device would need a purpose-baked (fpga) sdr. but for experiment, could use e.g. 'hackrf' ( i have it, but hesitate to recommend it to others, it comes with a massive ball of open sores rubbish, really wants an ab initio driver , ars longa, etc )
trinque: asciilifeform: happen to have a recommended SDR?
trinque: (none ought be in the bootstrapper either, as I think they're all masked, though not by any hard protocol)
a111: Logged on 2018-07-05 18:02 phf: gentoo out of the box turned out to have all kinds of interesting surprises (i haven't ran gentoo in years, so it was interesting to see the holes through which the darkness comes). like the foo-9999999.ebuilds that just pull from the mystery github repos without any kind of checksumming
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1831979 << indeed, none of these are making it into the final cut ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-05 16:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imo this is not even the wrong way ; will not only significantly cheapen our end, but ~all of the enemy hardware will ahve to be replaced, at capital costs far exceeding its current capacities (projected to diminish in the future as they may be)