asciilifeform: trb btw still retains the ancient mechanism where 'try to avoid connecting to >1 peer on same 24block'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: this is easy to do, only rub is that there are already 3 ( 4? ) trb nodes at piz, all on 1 ip block, and sharing a quite modest pipe.
asciilifeform: if answer is 'no', then net is seriously ill. if 'yes can avoid', then why buy canned db.
asciilifeform: girlattorney, mp_en_viaje : the fundamental problem is that bitcoin per se is, arguably, an exercise in 'can avoid getting all blocks from 1 trusted peer ?'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: defo, all of the moving parts already in place for it. ( and apparently nao there is a $49 pogo-cum-2GB ? )
asciilifeform: recall also that even during 'cold start sync', node is still attempting to operate as a node. it will be bombarded with tx from the peers, and (unsurprisingly) will walk the db and typically not find the referenced block , at given time (cuz it doesn't have it yet)
asciilifeform: ~95% of cpu cycles (as measured by asciilifeform in '16) of trb, is spend waiting for disk.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: slow pipe will do it, and likewise slow disk
asciilifeform: that's the gold standard, yes, physical box, w/ ssd, running strictly trb, and on serious (preferably industrial, but top-of-class residential fiber also worx) pipe
asciilifeform: girlattorney: trb on public toilet 'vps' hosting is generally a nonstarter
asciilifeform: girlattorney: you should be able to self-voice now, btw, after i rated
asciilifeform: girlattorney: in my experience, trb (with my 'aggression' patch) syncs from 0 in roughly 3wks, on a decent (fiber) pipe. however, last did this yr+ ago, and unsurprisingly the interval will only ever increase, as the chain gets heavier (on avg., grows 1000000 bytes erry 10min, recall)
asciilifeform: iirc mp_en_viaje actually has a circa-2014 snapshot hosted somewhere
asciilifeform: girlattorney: i attempted to bake exactly such in '14 , but the iron wasn't there yet ( we got a large supply of certain arm box, but only 256MB of physical mem, and only ~then~ found that without a total rewrite, trb cannot be sat down in 256M or even 1G )
asciilifeform: as you can tell, however, bitcoin still functions; simply it requires genuine node operators to do a little bit of hand curation of peer selection
asciilifeform: i.e. fleet of garbage nodes, set up on the cheap
asciilifeform: girlattorney: what usg did to bitcoin net, in p2p theoretical parlance is known as 'sibyl attack'
asciilifeform: plug in another node, it is automatic real-time backup of the other..
asciilifeform: girlattorney: trb is its own backup, think about it
asciilifeform: ( in either event, you will no longer have bootable linux box, if you want the contents will have to plug it into another )
asciilifeform: girlattorney: 'samsung' will typically go read-only; cheaper/chinesiums will usually turn into 100% brick , when exhausted
asciilifeform: larger unit (formatted to e.g. half capacity) will live longer, in principle, as more blocks between which controller can spread write cycles
asciilifeform: girlattorney: in my flagship trb box, i found that 1T samsung ('standard', rather than 'pro', not yet tested 'pro' series) ssd runs for just short of 2yrs prior to write cycle exhaustion
asciilifeform: aa hrm i misread (still waking up), assumed she's on that luscious arm box.
asciilifeform: disable swap; i have found that on 2GB+ boxen trb , despite heavy mem fragging, will not overrun 2GB
asciilifeform: girlattorney: seems that your box has swapping then
asciilifeform: girlattorney: trb (for time being) retains the classical 'ask peers for new peers' mechanism, so unless you hand-curate the peers (most trb folx do) you will inevitably connect to garbage nodes at the statistically expected rate
asciilifeform: if you were looking at linux disk stats, you may have box with swappism enabled. (or do you actually have a 8TB drive, that trb somehow filled ?!)
asciilifeform: girlattorney: mod6's current snapshot will build and run.
asciilifeform: girlattorney: you'll need a board with at least 2GB tho
asciilifeform: girlattorney: good news, long ago i fixed it so builds 100% clean on arm (32 and 64bit both)
asciilifeform: girlattorney: the various 'blockchain walker' sites do tend to be connected to many nodes at a time, on industrial pipe, so naturally will tend to get new blox slightly faster than human, in a residential pipe
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i also expect. and this is 'teachable moment' :
asciilifeform still recovering from 6+wk saecular crapola shitfest, setting to get conveyor moving, publish plans, etc. it's rather like waking up from coma.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i suspect ben is at sea or in orbit or somewhere, it took ~week iirc when i asked him to get #a logged also
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: apol. for the comment spam, i misplaced a decimal point.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: for folx innocent of microshit 'ecosystem', there are 9000 such 'surprises', no barf bucket, no matter how deep, will ever suffice
asciilifeform: diana_coman: lemme know if you need specific tarball, i might have it
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re rdp -- this is not only troo but is how microshit sells their winblowz 'server', 'have >2 !'
asciilifeform emerges from unspeakable pile of garbage, begins to catch up on conveyor
asciilifeform: '1998 google worked' but strictly because a) noise was moderate and relatively easy to filter b) signal was actually there. 'master magician can pull rabit out of hat, but only if the rabbit is in fact inside the hat' .
asciilifeform: i dun recall in what specific piece mp_en_viaje made this argument, but i buy it -- 'high quality www search was always illusion'. i.e. even if google et al did not actively fuck the outputs, even so 'pray tell mr babbage, if i feed into the machine a net fulla shit, will quality sites emerge from the search engine'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-12#1922350 << it's detectably deader now than was even month ago. in the midst of heathen scutwork, had to extensively dig for eggogs, with google et al, and good 20-30% of the 'hits' are nao openly shannonized linkfarms with domains in the style of rfejgiigetzg.info etc and packed fulla spamola. i.e. full-bore reversion to state of art circa 1997 or so☝︎
asciilifeform still gets megatonnes of wu spamola, all in spanish, 'plox to send moar, discount!11 etc'
asciilifeform: ( interestingly -- there is no Official fatwa against benjies in mail, afaik . simply not +ev, as it is )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i actually considered good old cash-in-mail. sticking point is that u.s. mail has become stupidly expensive -- sending even small flatpack (i.e. big enuff for newspaper+benjie) costs nao approx what wu costs
asciilifeform: diana_coman: to suppose that arbitrageurs 'enrich at expense of' is similar to supposing that bee 'enriches at expense' of flower
asciilifeform does not object, mp_en_viaje has solid point
asciilifeform: PeterL: inside reich, heathen exch houses such that you'd actually want to deal with, are extinct. whereas ones outside generally won't deal with zeks from inside.☟︎
asciilifeform: PeterL: thrd was re arbitrage of gap b/w piz & heathen rates
asciilifeform: speaking of this, BingoBoingo -- how long until ~you~ can pick up yer phree world passport ?
