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mircea_popescu: all modern evil in
the field flows from
this original sin of
the idiots involved, and no it shan't be passed in silence. had
they done
this right and equally flunked all other parts as
they did flunk
them, we'd still be mostly-right rather
than
thoroughly-broken
today.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 00:05 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835530 << i
think it's a very stupid idea, and i don't mean
this mildly, but stupid in a superlative way, because what is contemplated is a ~fixed price~ for an ~unspecified product~.
this is EXACTLY like sootheby's selling "auction win
tickets" whereby you get
to win "any one auction". it;s like
trying
to implement lemon markets where
they don't naturally exist, and it screams deep misunder
mircea_popescu: so no, in
treating all comers equally
they PRODUCED
the problem. because if father is incapable of rejecting you
there's exactly 0 incentive
to anything but gabriel_laddelize/adlai/kanzure/etc all fucking day long.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it is NOT FUCKING PERMISSIBLE
to "love all your sons equally". fuck you,
there is no such
thing,
that's for
their dumbass mother, because she's
too stupid
to distinguish cocks (and btw, if your "monogamous" "wife" "loves all her children equally",
time
to start looking carefully at
the milkmen,
they contributed
to
that brood as a foregone conclusion.)
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 23:52 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835506 << indeed, and it is quite a wonder i'm still about, right, seeing how slave mutiny could result in my being strangled overnight and
therefore it already has.
this is mp coming
to you loud and clear from
the afterlyf ?
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 17:15 mircea_popescu: but anyway, back
to
the upstream :
https://archive.is/9zD8D#selection-9.3336-9.4865 the whole
thing is rather damaging of bernstein's own standing and credibility. he engages in
this sort of behaviours, he isn't much of a man, and certainly
the sordid
tale of his misbehaviour disabused me of any intention of rating him on
the basis of his work.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 13:35 asciilifeform: diana_coman: asciilifeform's pov re
the retardation of 'open sores' , rms et al, is
that
they are
tards not because
they
throw open
the coad
to allcomers but because
they have no concept of wot ,
therefore were unable
to conceptualize vtronics .
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835554 >> no, here we disagree. both rms AND ers lines of socialism (called "free" and "open" source in-universe) are attempting
to bake in
the conclusion of socialism ("everything
that ever crawled out of a cunt is sacred") while allowing you
to dispute
the conclusions. i am not interested in
their idiotic "disputations".
the issue, with BOTH approaches, quite indistinguishably, is exactly
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 13:00 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835518 << linus is not immortal, and i expect
that he will lose control of kernel -- just as he stupidly lost control of his
trademark
to 'linux foundation' (y'know, with gavin on staff) -- even before dies
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 12:57 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835489 << note
that it specifically was an example of a seekrit with strictly limited lifespan -- once
there are '9000' repeaters,
the need
to keep
the details under wraps vanishes
mircea_popescu: ie, it worked because a) settlers were idiots (which
they weren) and b) government was spurious (which it was).
mircea_popescu: the only known usage
that's defensible is eg usg selling indian's land
to white settlers ; and
the reason it's defensible has nothing
to do with anything here considered, and everything
to do with
the banal observation
that some men are sexually stimulated by a simulacrum of resistence put up by woman.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835530 << i
think it's a very stupid idea, and i don't mean
this mildly, but stupid in a superlative way, because what is contemplated is a ~fixed price~ for an ~unspecified product~.
this is EXACTLY like sootheby's selling "auction win
tickets" whereby you get
to win "any one auction". it;s like
trying
to implement lemon markets where
they don't naturally exist, and it screams deep misunder
☝︎☟︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 12:51 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835519 << guilfanov spent years raging at 'pirates', planting boobytraps, even implemented his infamous 'church interdict' against anyone known
to employ ida 'traitors' ,
then still ended up selling his firm
to usg.
mircea_popescu: because
this is what subhumanity is all about : "anonimity", right,
the incapacity
to mean anything
to anyone.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 09:53 spyked:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-16#1835039 <--
this imho doesn't make asciilifeform an idiot, it makes user responsible for whatever setup he runs
the binary on.
the same guarantee would be given for hypothetical linux kernel with changed abi as for mswindows kernel. as much as
the word of heathens are not
to be
trusted, heathen did promise e.g.
https://archive.is/KD183#selection-248.64-248.65 . so imho misbehaving kernel will just be
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835516 << you don't
take my meaning.
the machine doesn't care about your political corectness. it only sees
those people involved
that are actually people. if your dog shits in my lawn im not gonna complain
to dog ; and if idiot miscompiles code into a pile of shit,
the machine's mute sadness will not be directed at idiot.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: after all, what
the fuck are we even doing here ? not like it has ~yet~ happened someone with head screwed on straight got
turned away.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 09:42 spyked:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-16#1834921 <-- I'm sold on
the idea i. in particular for eulora, and ii. otherwise for it
to be established on a case-by-case basis. for (i), I see nothing wrong with e.g. challenging users
to reverse-engineer
the client (or maybe I'm just nostalgic about game cracking/trainers).
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835511 << it's really not at all
the intention
to prevent smart people from improving on
the client. if anyone looks even vaguely like he could reverse engineer his pocket flashlight or anything, i'm quite sure he'd find self in some sort of productive arrangement in short order.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 04:28 ave1: I find
the 'if it can happen, it will happen' a strange argument. Let's say you let a friend stay in your house while you are away for a couple of months? Yes, he could destroy
the house and steal
the contents, still
this arrangement works and has worked for many friends.
mircea_popescu: ave1 i dunno if you've seen
the republican license btw ? not like we give out ~anything~
that's "legally" usable by
the pantsuit
tards.
mircea_popescu: !!rate spyked 3 his lordship
the lord crypto-alchemist
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated spyked 2 at 2017/08/19 17:53:59 << aka Lucian Mogosanu, arm guy and other
things. e-known him for years.
mircea_popescu: !!rate lobbes 3 his lordship
the lord of
the auction house
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 18:54 lobbes: Lulzy "We have
tested image
transfers using Google's WebP format
to
try conserve bandwidth as much as possible, but
the lack of support in several browsers has given us second
thoughts."
BingoBoingo: And was shocked mostly with
the
though "it"s can rate?
lobbes: Lulzy "We have
tested image
transfers using Google's WebP format
to
try conserve bandwidth as much as possible, but
the lack of support in several browsers has given us second
thoughts."
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 17:04 diana_coman:
the overall idea is
to pay authors of clients based on how much
their clients are actually used
lobbes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835608 <<
this was a key piece I was missing as well. For some reason I
thought scheme was 'lock down production of binaries so as
to allow authors
to work out
their own pay-for-client mechanism.' Whole
thing makes way more sense
to me nao
☝︎☟︎ diana_coman: the ~only scenario I could come up with re abusing
that hash is where author of A
that is less successful
than known B decides somehow
to distribute a doctored version of B
that sends
the hashes of A - it's already rather insane I'd say
diana_coman: the overall idea is
to pay authors of clients based on how much
their clients are actually used
☟︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 13:36 diana_coman: it can of course dig into binaries and get
the hashes from A or B and
then pretend
their own code IS A or B but ..so what? i.e. author of A or B will get more money, is
that bad?
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 13:35 diana_coman: it can compile it as much as it wants, server won't answer for one
thing
diana_coman: I didn't even realise
there was some way
to see it as protection against ...what? code copying or what?
Mocky: i've also been on both sides of make / break protections (although break for fun not pay). if hash is used as protection, i see
that as valid objection
Mocky: asciilifeform, assume for
the sake of argument diana_coman said 'dun care about make use difficult, let
them use whatever works', do you still have objection
to
that?
Mocky: asciilifeform, i get
that. I read your 'realistic description' statement
to mean referrer string is promisatronic protection, was asking what referrer string is protecting.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 13:41 asciilifeform: diana_coman:
the conundrum from my pov is
that why
to bother with protections if 'so what if
they break, not as if it does anything'
Mocky:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835572 >> does it change your pov if
the hash is no form of protection or implied protection but merely an accounting convenience. like say
http 'referrer' on phuctor page links
to pizarro. maybe pizarro uses referrer
to
track where customer comes from and if came from known ad placement
then counts customer for
that ad. is referrer string now promisatronic protection since anyone
☝︎ BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It
takes
time
to put
the comatose look alike
together
diana_coman: you'd probably still bother with an anti-teleport device although
that one will also have some way of being broken
diana_coman: because I seriously doubt
that it can't be broken so why do you bother locking it?
diana_coman: I
think you
take
those hashes
to be an absolute promise of something;
they are not;
they are what
they are (a mechanism, not an amulet!) and clearly stated; nobody pretends anything
diana_coman: sure, but after
they break it, what do
they do with it
that is a. not useful
to
tmsr b. downright problematic
diana_coman: asciilifeform, "in
the saeculum" != in
tmsr;
that's
the whole
thing
diana_coman: put a different way:
they are intelligent enough
to have
the option of earning money honestly and realise
the risks of being dishonest are greater
than
they are worth
diana_coman: rather
than futzing about for pennies with
that
diana_coman: the assumption
there is
that someone who is able
to get
the hash out and change it in his own client is intelligent enough
to actually earn money off his own work
diana_coman: what
the monkey can do will still help... non-monkey,
that's
the point
diana_coman: it can of course dig into binaries and get
the hashes from A or B and
then pretend
their own code IS A or B but ..so what? i.e. author of A or B will get more money, is
that bad?
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 02:19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ( admittedly i haven't read
the referenced item ) what's
to stop client from sending
to server
the old hashes ?
diana_coman: it can compile it as much as it wants, server won't answer for one
thing
☟︎ diana_coman: now monkey has access
to old client source, sure
diana_coman: perhaps a more fleshed out exercise: say
there are clients A and B
that have binaries released and accepted by Eulora's server (as per known hashes) ; sources of
those are released
to l1
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I keep getting
the impression
that you focus in
turn on one or another aspect but not quite on
the whole; I'm a bit at a loss
to point out exactly where it breaks
though
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 02:36 asciilifeform: monkey had ak for quite a while -- e.g.
the openly published fg design; but apparently monkey has atrociously poor aim
diana_coman: asciilifeform, what will
that plagiarizing do?
diana_coman: it's still open
to discussion as far as I can see it so any comments are most welcome
spyked: aha, question is strictly when (next month, year or decade), not if. and even if abi remains stable, /me expects something along
the lines of "linux kernel 6.3 only compiles with gcc >17" around
the corner.