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trinque: why should I give you any
adlai: ('collaborate' implies either having money to potentially lose, or fixing my bugs. preferably the former because i do occasionally do the latter)
adlai: i'm not sure the 'dark age' is limited to this industry, it seems pretty global
adlai: eh i try to keep the pitch minimal, and avoid repeating it (unless too drunk to remember the last one). one guy got repeated pitches but that's only because we lived together and he kept remarking on how i "make money by typing"
adlai: living off the savings would have more to do with bitcoin if i were less of an idiot, and had bought less at $1k and more at $10; but then i'd be living off the military discharge bonus, and wouldn't have mined to begin with
trinque: bad enough I stuck my dick in this crazy
trinque: I have the decency not to goad my friends into joining an industry in a dark age, tyvm
adlai: anybody i know well enough to receive the pitch, knows me well enough to know ~why~ i no longer mine
adlai: my pitch has always been "look at me, i worked in the salt mine for less than a year and now live off my savings"
asciilifeform: i'm sure they will 'thank' adlai when they instead have to program in a salt mine.
trinque: meh, chick I taught lisp said "cool, I know what a computer is now, sorta" and went back to being a chef
adlai: fwiw, the last chick i tried to teach lisp, lost patience for lisp ~before~ she lost patience for [my] cock
mircea_popescu: i was never tempted to eat them, no.
asciilifeform: ( lol, i'm not the only one who was ever tempted to eat'em ?!! )
mircea_popescu: kinda why i released it, rather than you know, eating it.
adlai: asciilifeform & trinque : thank you for the suggestions. i'm meeting the guy tomorrow for his 2nd lession, i'll let him choose
asciilifeform: though i knew an old dude who picked poverty and hunger over that new 'bell labs.'
adlai: yeah i doubt anybody forced him to sign; i suspect anybody who wasn't sufficiently dangerous for enough decades, eventually gets tired of poor impotence, and starts sucking the cock that slapped them
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't speak for others, but i've never even ~heard~ of any of these folk, nor read their spew, until this year. ☟︎
trinque: pls moar metaphor, I am not drunk yet
mircea_popescu: "7) Paranoid folks like to recompile just again, to be sure that the new system has no artifact from the old running Lisp. These instructions also build the very-optional parts like CLX at this stage. If you want to do that, activate the for loop near the end." << i'm not sure paranoid is the word here.
asciilifeform: adlai: 'little schemer' by sussman. but again i cannot recommend doing this to just 'friend'
BingoBoingo: <adlai> incidentally, on a slightly related topic: a friend has taken me up on my (foolish, drunken) offer to help teach him programming. i'm tempted to start with a "sheet of paper + mccarthy" approach, since he's yet unspoiled by algol; has anybody tried teaching in this manner? << Don't skip to 12 without working the other steps. Only 13 can be skipped to.
adlai: incidentally, on a slightly related topic: a friend has taken me up on my (foolish, drunken) offer to help teach him programming. i'm tempted to start with a "sheet of paper + mccarthy" approach, since he's yet unspoiled by algol; has anybody tried teaching in this manner?
asciilifeform: trinque: i recommend to pull up mine, rather than the heathen one, but the difference is not large
asciilifeform: adlai: i think all of the gentlemen present 'get off on the screams', yes
adlai: "I was having dealings with a corpse, so she has no cause for complaint." << excellent argument for gutting cmucl rather than sbcl, unless you get off on the screams
mircea_popescu: onsider it a crime that I squatted down and defecated on my victims -- that is really, if you'll excuse me, absurd. Defecation is an urge of nature and consequently can in no sense be criminal. All things considered, I do understand the misgivings of my defence counsel, but all the same I am hoping for a complete acquittal."
mircea_popescu: s thin neck that did that. He was simply not created for this life. It's true that I stomped their dog to a pulp around the floor, but it's really cynical to accuse me of murdering the dog when in the immediate vicinity, it might be said, three human lives had been obliterated. The infant I don't count. Well, all right then, in all this (I can agree with you) it is possible to discern a degree of severity on my part. But to c
mircea_popescu: the most trivial of crimes. And also I did not rape Yelizaveta Antonovna. In the first place, she was no longer a virgin; and secondly I was having dealings with a corpse, so she has no cause for complaint. What about the fact that she just happened to have to give birth? Well, I did pull out the infant. The fact that he was not long for this world anyway, well that's really not my fault. I didn't tear his head off; it was hi
mircea_popescu: still alive then. Whereas Andryusha I killed simply from inertia, and I can't hold myself responsible for that. Why did Andryusha and Yelizaveta Antonovna fall into my hands anyway? They had no business springing out from behind the door. I am being accused of bloodthirstiness; they say I drank blood, but that is not true: I licked up the pools of blood and stains -- it is a man's natural urge to wipe out the traces of even
mircea_popescu: to counterbalance the oestrogen overload, here's some harm : "Without boasting, I can tell you that, when Volodya struck me across the ear and spat in my face, I really got him, so that he won't forget it. It was only after that that I hit him with his primus and it was evening when I hit him with the iron. So he didn't die straight away by any means. This doesn't prove that I cut his leg off as early as the afternoon. He was
mircea_popescu: i dunno, and i can't be arsed to find out. everyone involved sounds exactly like a bunch of whiny fucktards with clitorii.
trinque: the guy whose resignation I linked forked it from cmucl and rewrote it in lisp
trinque: I have shipped plenty of code that runs on sbcl.
trinque: adlai: I'm not confusing shit
asciilifeform: trinque: nfi where, it is the fastest cl i've personally used, hands-down (hand-massaged certain items in it to beat the shit out of cpp original, even)
asciilifeform: so i have nfi what mythos yer thinking of
asciilifeform: adlai: i think everybody knows this
adlai: fwiw, whenever i fantasized about owning a lisp compiler, the imagined object went one step further than sbcl, and didn't depend on a C compiler for the 'kernel', but rather shat ELF objects (or whatever other format) from lisp
adlai: it's almost "job security"; lets me publish my cake while preventing anybody else from eating it. whether i can eat it too (ie, debug this a decade after writing it) remains to be seen.
adlai: a) nobody asked you to debug b) it's not seeeekrit, i "backup" on github
asciilifeform: anyway i won't be debugging folks' seeeekrit codez over whispers and winks.
asciilifeform: adlai: i dun think i've ever used anything above 1
asciilifeform: if the node dies, i can bake another.
asciilifeform: fwiw i pretty much always kill -9 it.
asciilifeform: unless folks ~publish~ the magical bug-inducers, i am inclined to agree with the old iddish proverb
adlai: asciilifeform: i suspect the culprit is the one CL lib of such quality that it has a plus in its name
asciilifeform: i had it drive 20kg of stainless steel turning on a dime, for hours on end, real-time, and experienced no such nonsense.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-17: [00:40:56] <adlai> mircea_popescu: sbcl dies on too many (for all i know, just two, in the precisely bad timing) ~outgoing~ queries
asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option&_i=fShutdown
ben_vulpes: i'm in no rush, happy to run the hourglass out.
ben_vulpes: heh i wonder if the thing will even listen to shutdown commands.
adlai: i never got this when dealing with mpex, but mpex moves slowly enough that parallel queries weren't a concern
adlai: maybe? i get this from too many talk-to-exchange (and once from too many talk-to-freenode, with handrolled irc code that didn't rate limit...)
adlai: mircea_popescu: sbcl dies on too many (for all i know, just two, in the precisely bad timing) ~outgoing~ queries
adlai: serialization is how most (?) novels were published for ~ever. strikes me as a fairer economic arrangement than premium+royalties but i'm probably just a clueless outsider
thestringpuller: >:( I get serial comics. I'm subscribed to 30 something titles per month atm.
asciilifeform: what, i mean, is an altatron.
mircea_popescu: i'm kinda amused at the notion that anyone much gives a shit either way.
mircea_popescu: oh incredibly enough, i might have found alf's altatron. http://torturepain.tumblr.com/post/142820473702/queensnake
thestringpuller: "I put on for my country." - Young Stalin
mircea_popescu: i dun follow ?
mircea_popescu: i imagine it must.
asciilifeform: i think we had this thread
phf: well, cmucl version was very cmucl specific, when i ported it to lispworks i made it portable, but i'm sure there are some small things left
phf: fuck it, i'm going to port it to sbcl
asciilifeform: '2016-08-31 19:52:31 stassats frankly, i don't believe in the web of trust, you can only know who uploaded
asciilifeform: yes i recall this.
phf: i probably wrote most code for tbr/shiva, and it was an exercise in rewriting common lisp from scratch
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is sorta why i came upon the notion of resurrecting 'tinyscheme'
phf: from now on i'm working on mp-wp, full time, a shell of a man. you can point newcomers at an old shambling figure, "that's phf. he's tending our flower bed"
phf: that's it, i'm retiring. to elba
phf: i've used cmucl in the past, like 10 years ago, and still have most of my lisp code for it/in it. than i switched to ccl and deployed few things commercially with it. the only lisp i've never explicitly worked with except toying around is sbcl
phf: but the rewrite happened for two reasons, one is that i wanted to do interesting analysis on entire corpus (which is something python will strugle with) and that tmsr canon called for technology ownership. cmucl seems like a reasonable stack to own, considering that it's abandonware. fwiw it benchmarks faster than either sbcl (by fraction) or lispworks (by a huge margin, wtf now) on doing bit twiddling like the search that we do
mircea_popescu: i only have to go in there when someone "upgrades" something.
phf: i'm pretty sure i've not had to touch it once
phf: sbcl last time i checked was entirely developed by google
asciilifeform: perhaps i ought to nail it to a board and post.
asciilifeform: phf: i can easily believe this. fwiw my copy is ancient.
phf: asciilifeform: well, fwiw i used sbcl for years and was running in increasingly larger number of problems. just small annoyances. when i tried interacting with sbcl "community" it turned out to be the usual suspects, google employees, gender pronounced. i have the same antipathy to sbcl as you to llvm
mircea_popescu: is what i said neh ?
pete_dushenski: 'EVERYTHING MUST GO IN THE DISHWASHER AND THAT MUST BE FINE.' << chez moi i throw everything in the dishwasher, which i then run when full and empty thereafter, while the girl does this 'wash by hand as you go and air dry on the rack' thing for reasons i don't fully comprehend.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun see anyone here (other than me, but w/e) ever spend time debugging apache etc.
mircea_popescu: i do not believe it was the case 15 years ago either.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i always thought 'garburator' was more of a garbage-purolator : a machine for mailing garbage as far away as possible
phf: nah, professional, i have a license from elsewhere, that i'm .. evaluating
phf: in case anyone thinks that commercial lisp vendors are any good, i'm getting completely random failed to allocate errors on lispworks
phf: yeah, i decided to touch the server and now everything's broken
pete_dushenski: 'I was dead-set on finding a house with a garbage disposal, or "garburator" as our sorry ("Sorry!") neighbors to the North call them,' << l0l! love the souble dorry. also, i've never lived in a house or condo with a garburator and may never. ☟︎
phf: (i'm using this "fuck you phf, love freenode" to upgrade the btcbase instance, so site is down for half hour or so)
trinque: could I suppose just aggressively ghost each time
trinque: I do that, sadly.
mircea_popescu: well alf... i guess i'm old.
asciilifeform: i thought it was a do-arium, while owner's cock works
mircea_popescu: i think it shall be called a watcharium from now on. wtf "harem" bs.
mircea_popescu: i'll give up and run it plain one day, at which point...
mircea_popescu: in the sad story of exactly this, the first time i ran new eulora client, it crashed. i've bee nrunning it in gdb ever since, has not crashed since. 5 weeks!
ben_vulpes: yaok i'll accept that the engine room needs a new dial.
ben_vulpes: well compiled in, i still hafta restart the process