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snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 17:09:12 diana_coman: ah, ah; if you want it there, I can add it (tomorrow though), sure; meant to ask: why no author field in your manifest?

diana_coman: I patched it on top of asciilifeform's tree as promised yesterday http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927521 (+ added the author field in manifest file) + mirrored the full logotron tree on my page

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 06:54:58 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927795 << nope, they're in my own logs too seeing how i put them into teh chat with my own hands.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927867 << this solves ~half~ of lobbes's riddle. observe that they work , when i throw'em in ( as well as all uniturds in phf's and diana_coman's dumps , imported w/out issue )

mp_en_viaje: i didn't mind it so much twenty-odd years ago, but meanwhile apparently it's become intolerable.

ave1: mp_en_viaje: Yes, although we travelled on to Vinnitsa right away and I'l be visiting Kiev for 2 days end of August

mp_en_viaje: http://ave1.org/comments/feed/ << missed diana_coman not in the feed (and obv also not in the shorted list on blog side) so now i dunno what it was!

ave1: I am sorry, somehow between all the spam of "I like your writing style" it got eaten.

diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: it's "amusing", right? that "oh, how funny you are trying to do something, how entertaining" is such great heights of being great, I can't even

mp_en_viaje: kinda brings some unexplected points in focus : when i started trilema, i was almost 30. when daimon ended his blog, he was almost 30. now compare, from http://daimon.me/aleph/2017/ to http://daimon.me/aleph/2019/ versus http://trilema.com/2009/ to http://trilema.com/20011/ -- how does it come out ?

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 04:39:45 spyked: BingoBoingo, re. linux music player: I was using cmus and rhythmbox at the time (and before that I used "banshee", some bloatware written in C#/mono) and they both eventually cracked under the pressure, in different ways (segfault or hanging). so I fell back to more lightweight frontends for mplayer, e.g. mpv, and found out again that scriptability far surpasses the need for any GUI/TUI

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 00:04:32 lobbes: could be... hence I think mp_en_viaje is right: I'ma have to publish so the real doctors can help me dissect it

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927795 << nope, they're in my own logs too seeing how i put them into teh chat with my own hands.

mp_en_viaje: holy hell how can i be the only one plagued by these.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927792 < what, seriously ? you can just compose : and - in screen. or i think x too. or you know, you \div in latex ? or like... you use R at all.

mp_en_viaje: am i being bad here ?

mp_en_viaje: (i end up leaking these in because of other software written by finnicky people who don't like / or * because "there are correct signs for that")

mp_en_viaje: whole thing seems to be mostrly me using the proper math symbols of mult and division. i R-epent ?!

diana_coman: I kind of wonder what am I applying for, though!

mp_en_viaje: but what am i going to do, break it ? tis history.

mp_en_viaje: i dunno if the orig Anon still writes even.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927780 << I do not expect that's his blog ; item is work of (relatively) well known internet lulzcow, one David Futrelle, a one-time pick-up artist / big man leadership dood meanwhile turned on the other side of the "BUT OBVIOUSLY, do we still have to DO this" cvasi-debate.

spyked: diana_coman, ty for the reference. btcbase does distinguish ctcp from the rest of msgs by... removing the ":" after the nick. I don't think it's a big deal either way, just noticed it while reading html log.

mp_en_viaje: has this one visible tentac le here, otherwise does all sorta idioti things, i turn it all off on my clients

diana_coman: hm now - should I have linked his answer rather than the start of the thread?

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 11:03:43 diana_coman: asciilifeform: actions seem to show in logger as text said rather than in any way different; is that intended? I don't quite grok what's the thing with *nick then?

mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i have been taking them out from tlp for instance.

diana_coman: I also ctrl-click so didn't notice but I don't see the reason to bake in "new window"

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 22:33:12 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can't resist to ask, didja actually work through the ro, or relying on googlefish etc ? cuz if it's the latter, yer certain to step on some sharp nails

mp_en_viaje: and i always ctrl-click anyways so i don't notice ; but i suppose might be desirable for some ? though, why have it baked in when you have the ctrl key to make up your own adventure ?

mp_en_viaje: spyked, honestly i wouldn't support the distinction.

spyked: also, a matter of personal preference: I've grown used to the btcbase behaviour of links opening in a new window. is this desirable/annoying? does anyone else care?

spyked: asciilifeform, minor nitpick re snsabot: I see no difference in the www interface between CTCP actions (the /me thing) and normal replies. e.g. I would expect ^ to be rendered as "spyked also tried ..." instead of "spyked: also tried".

spyked also tried "mpd" once, but only managed to make system-wide config, no user-level; and iirc launching it required special privileges, so I eventually gave up.

spyked: and by frontend I mean, proggy that receives file as command argument and plays it -- in case of audio file, without spawning anything graphical

spyked: BingoBoingo, re. linux music player: I was using cmus and rhythmbox at the time (and before that I used "banshee", some bloatware written in C#/mono) and they both eventually cracked under the pressure, in different ways (segfault or hanging). so I fell back to more lightweight frontends for mplayer, e.g. mpv, and found out again that scriptability far surpasses the need for any GUI/TUI

lobbes: could be... hence I think mp_en_viaje is right: I'ma have to publish so the real doctors can help me dissect it

lobbes: asciilifeform: essentially, there's a ZNC logger and files. Then I have a cronjob that runs the heathen logs2html, then another cronjob that transfers these files to the /var/www/ side

lobbes: in either case, re: upstack I'm going to take mp_en_viaje's advice and just genesis the eulora logger as-is. It is a good point that nobody has to use the genesis *as is* (and indeed, publishing today means I can look back on it tomorrow)

lobbes: Hopefully someone else has cleaner ZNC logs. But fwiw in the meantime, I've produced a list of the problem indicies/original logdate/loglines >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3yWtw/?raw=true

asciilifeform: climbing upstack, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927615 << lobbes why is this ? i haven't encountered yet a pythonism that actually ~demands~ 'pip', they're all installable manually (and/or, on older gentoo boxen not yet hosed -- via 'portage' )

lobbes: As for *why* these have rotted so: I am not sure. My best guess is that it is because my current #e logotron does many copy operations per hour from the ZNC files (though this is just a stab in the dark; I really don't know if this would cause bitrot)

lobbes: asciilifeform: good point. re: your "if 3s are 7s" example, I already see what you mean...

asciilifeform: ... and epaulettes?! (i.e. long-time reader?)

asciilifeform: lobbes: i recommend to instead find out how the fuck it got into this condition

lobbes: I'm going to do some manual cleanup of the ZNC logs that correspond to the indicies you mentioned at least. Noted on the 983234 stop point

lobbes: oh wow, yeah I'm seeing the bitrot in the ZNC logs I fed to the thing. Very weird. But ty for the list of indicies; this will help

asciilifeform: the culprit will have to be found before this archive can be eaten, lobbes ; i suspect that the bitrot aint limited to uniturds

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 22:46:22 lobbes: I have a feeling it may be from spam-fest 2018 >> http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-09-19.log.html#t16:42:16

asciilifeform: i.e. http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927740 defo not it

lobbes: just more to add to the 'python sux' pile I suppose (or perhaps just my coding sux pile)

asciilifeform: i'm even surprised that gpg ate this

lobbes: hmm, okay I will inspect and report back

asciilifeform: lobbes: i am not gonna try to clean this, unless there is no other log, i suspect something unspeakable happened to it somewhere in transit to my desk

lobbes: I have a feeling it may be from spam-fest 2018 >> http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-09-19.log.html#t16:42:16

asciilifeform: lobbes: i'm getting buncha utf8 eggogs when trying to eat in the staging box

lobbes: though still puzzled why last clearsigned version didn't deed... I checked a few more times for sanity and the sig verified for me

lobbes: speaking of deedbot down, I can't deed, but new output of #eulora ZNC logz at: http://logs.minigame.biz/eulora_log_2015_to_2019.txt.asc

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927722 << i have a suspicion that trinque set it to cycle at 0hrs (in frustration re socket wedge ?)

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can't resist to ask, didja actually work through the ro, or relying on googlefish etc ? cuz if it's the latter, yer certain to step on some sharp nails

asciilifeform: i.e. could demand from the log bot to verify that it joins chans, w/out stopping it

snsabot: Logged on 2017-03-30 10:50:38 asciilifeform: trinque: erlang wasn't simply about 'uptime', or even 'no pointer arithmetic', it also was the only case i know of where process migration actually worked

snsabot: Logged on 2017-03-30 10:38:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i will also nitpick : 'erlang' does not belong in the list, it was a 1980s product that worked quite well in its industrial niche (large telco switches) but was later stolen and used as a totem by the folx from yesterday's thread ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633873 )

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'm starting to think, that asciilifeform is doomed to write a www server

mp_en_viaje: this explains it, as i never ran squid to my memory anywhere

asciilifeform: fwiw i also never was able to get 'squid' to work, and phuctor is cached on 'flask' end (caches expire in 5min, moar than enuff for when some bozo links one on reddit etc)

asciilifeform: i quite distinctly recall that it didn't work worthashit, and mp_en_viaje smashed a keyboard or 2

mp_en_viaje: did i discuss this on trilema ?

mp_en_viaje: i don't even fucking rememberr.

asciilifeform: i like the colours

mp_en_viaje: his logger looks well the fuck better than all the others, tbh. www-side i mean.

mp_en_viaje: well, i expect he'll publish it next week sometime, then can read.

mp_en_viaje: kinda why i was admiring his "bad" logger.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: say i reply to yesterday's line from mp_en_viaje . nao the cached copy of yesterday's log is logically invalid (dun have the backlink to today's reply)

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i actually have cache, simply snipped out of genesis ver, need a few moving gears to invalidate it on 'tail' ('current') page of log when someone speaks

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 18:21:38 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, yeah you know, can this not be rescued ? i dunno why exactly you're so down on it, but wtf, pretty static pages logotron ftw.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927573 << btw i considered 'shit static pages' . has the obv. costs ( can never put in phf-style backlinks; or rather they then have O(N) cost ; and repair work like http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927470 becomes very, very expensive )

asciilifeform: i currently suspect that if i fix this, will lose zncism . can make knob.

mp_en_viaje: either way you wish to run it, i'm just stating it's there if useful.

asciilifeform: ( for folx who did not read the genesis -- snsabot is 100% 'naked' sockets , dun include any 'irc libs', so entirely possible that i missed some other fleanode wart ! )

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'ma have to add this, to the bot, else it cannot be considered automatic

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: tho i suppose this is already enuff to litmus whether in-$chan or not

asciilifeform: unless i'm doing it wrong

lobbes: I'll brb in any case so asciilifeform can debug

lobbes: I'll see if I can't make a blog post about this describing the ugliness under the hood of the current #e logger

lobbes: mp_en_viaje: regarding b) I see your confusion. I was talking to diana_coman in #o earlier and I realized I have this bad habit of not really explaining my causes for action, nor my causes for changing course. This leads to confusion all around

asciilifeform: i'm gonna believe all the folx with raw logz tho, the bot evidently wasn't actually ~there~ until last reset

asciilifeform: i'd like to continue it here, if mp_en_viaje dun object

mp_en_viaje: then you decided to re-write it because i dunno why. then you decided to not rewrite it anymore, because too much work.

mp_en_viaje: here's what i don't understand :

lobbes: however, I'm wondering if there is value in just having something that just spits static files in a colorized format (ala the old eulora logger)

lobbes: in my spec before, I was going for something that took the data from the logbot db

lobbes: now, I could make a logotron that either displays lines from that db, OR from ZNC logs/irssi logs

lobbes: I was going to make a logotron that displays loglines on a www. The logbot itself is already published (the one made by trinque/ben_vulpes)

mp_en_viaje: wait no, i mean...

lobbes: mp_en_viaje: yeah, I think I might just do that. Make a simple parser that eats (perhaps even from the logbot db) and spits out html. I'll have to think on it

asciilifeform: so far only can see that 1) bot is there 2) no missed lines in any other chan 3) logs when i shat there just now 4) indicates that is 1st log line in #e since tuned in

mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i can't imagine ?

asciilifeform: why lobbes has these feedbot ticks and i not ??

lobbes: mp_en_viaje: well, I still want to complete my own logotron. if there is an interest in a redone version of that old logger, perhaps I can respec