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asciilifeform: i was recently in a house built in 1620s. still has motherfucking original brick walls.

asciilifeform: i.e. replace, at tremendous expense, the parts.

a111: Logged on 2016-08-15 20:48 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i find the focus on the cosmetic when the functional elements are 'dangerous to self and to others' in 1,001 ways, to be also a typically american lunacy.

pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-15#1522134 << not that i have a horse in the race, but this would seem to redeem our mysterious reaganite author : http://www.mcmansionhell.com/post/150597521816/mcmansions-101-revisited-aesthetics-aside-why ☝︎

Framedragger: asciilifeform: not arguing here though; i just recall mathjax working nicely in wp, served from server; but, yes, lots of js

Framedragger: i know you dont care about mobile users because they suck mircea_popescu , but what's nice with rendered fonts is that they scale nicely; among other things

mircea_popescu: $latex i\hbar\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\left|\Psi(t)\right>=H\left|\Psi(t)\right>$ -> https://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=i%5Chbar%5Cfrac%7B%5Cpartial%7D%7B%5Cpartial+t%7D%5Cleft%7C%5CPsi%28t%29%5Cright%3E%3DH%5Cleft%7C%5CPsi%28t%29%5Cright%3E&bg=ffffff&fg=000&s=0

Framedragger: yeah i just used the former asciilifeform

Framedragger: i mean, mathjax in wp

Framedragger: i recall using mathjax for math equations

mircea_popescu: i can't recall now if it was from the mp or the wp part of the family, but i think mostly the latter really.

trinque: and I've swapped around those URL settings since install

trinque: ^ I run on nginx, am not using any kind of writable htaccess

Framedragger: asciilifeform: but you can edit .htaccess (or nginx directives for the site) yourself, at least that's what i did in the past iirc.

asciilifeform: (yes this also means that i do picture uploads, etc. by hand.)

scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [14:26:03] <scriba> Logged on 2016-09-20: [07:35:31] <mircea_popescu> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#6 << nice! but asciilifeform consider fixing your urls, this ?p=blabla is for the dogs. and lafond i guess, but really, most yahoo thing one can do blogging.

mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#143 << i have no idea ; mp-wp would handle it automatically (in the sense that i can at any time / for any reason change url, old one gets redir to new one ; and also can switch from ?p= to proper title url seamlessly). no idea however about alf-wp

scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [13:19:58] <Framedragger> mircea_popescu: does your wp comments box support basic html tags (such as href)? (i know it supports them when posting comments from *within* wp's dashboard)

ben_vulpes: also i have an wwwtronix expert sitting next to me

ben_vulpes: linter yelled at me and i did a bit of reading

ben_vulpes: in other jslolz i learned today that hyphens are not legal in js var names because not symbolicated on spaces and infix operators

a111: Logged on 2016-04-07 18:10 phf: the person that i was a [big bank] vendor with is actually doing that right now. a trained apl-er and mathematician, having spent few years interacting with [big bank] decision makers now consults on a handshake basis for companies that need a problem solved, but don't care if it comes with a pretty windows gui

a111: Logged on 2016-03-22 00:44 asciilifeform: trinque: no incoherence, i can remove the motherfucking nand ~here~ in this godforsaken hovel

phf: i still think that's the ideal model of computing, mentat approach

scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [16:40:25] <phf> well, i do posgresql for money, the appeal of tmsr work is that i can do whatever the fuck, and though that means sometimes suboptimal results, there's a lot of merit in trying odd solutions

phf: (i had to tweak a postgresql search lexing phase just few days ago, and fwiw it doesn't givey you "grep" out of the box. you have to do Traditional Text Search approach tokenize,lex,index by weights, etc.)

phf: well, i do posgresql for money, the appeal of tmsr work is that i can do whatever the fuck, and though that means sometimes suboptimal results, there's a lot of merit in trying odd solutions

PeterL: I am running it now into the past

PeterL: I wrote a script to submit links from logs to archive.is

Framedragger: (i.e. i agree, but there are ways to leverage things. but, takes time to do right)

phf: kind of tricky to cache search, since it's very one off. most load on server comes from searching (i mean it's miniscule still, but...), but i looked at analytics and search queries are all over the place. you have n hits from mentions, which ~might~ be worthwhile to cache. (like ascii does !#s foo, and then there's a dozen of hits from random ips and browsers)

Framedragger: how about full text search? though i know that a combo of caching and grep-in-memory-map mode (on an ssd, say) may be viable

phf: i guess search too, but that's kind of lateral. you can write a bit of python code using xapian to do parsing and indexing for you, and i suspect it's going to be ballpark database speeds. postgresql's builtin search is .. special

phf: db is only worthwhile once you start writing analytics on logs. i've been doing the read directly from znc logs using regex approach for almost a year (actually scratch that i was querying kako's logs over web), and only decided to step it up once i realized i want xref

phf: but since i don't have to expose it to wild net, and rate of checks is low, i can just have a bottle file per task, just doing its own specific massaging

phf: well, for my own znc it has to do like a bunch of retarded timezone conversions, but at least i sat down and thought them through this time

Framedragger: phf: nice. (nice caching setup, too). thanks for explaining - i'll want to set up some 'backup redundant history source' soon, i think..

phf: i'm only querying for what was mentioned in logs ("annotations"), since i didn't want the split to break the xref facility

phf: Framedragger: i'm basically using kako's log format as a universal exchange <id>;<unix timestamp>;<nick>;<message>, so there's a python bottle proxy sitting on a machine, that, very defensively, can serve a copy of your page in a kako format. it caches all pages that are not today, and it has like 10 second cache for today's queries, but otherwise i'm not mirroring your pages

asciilifeform: amd made its own debugger for its boards, i even have one here, but it has never been satisfactorily reverse-engineered, isn't gdb compatible. i have a brand-new one here, in its crate, waiting for its day.

asciilifeform: if i knew where else to get it, i would say, but i do not.

trinque: but the debugger comes in that kit? or I have to find that separately?

trinque: sure, I can solder

asciilifeform: trinque: i'm not certain it can be had any more. the last place selling was element14 with the 'gizmo 1' kit

asciilifeform: lulzily, i only even found this because i went to dig up contact info for 'libreboot', was going to write to it, re sage pill publication.

Framedragger: right. see trinque, you don't see "lazy" in that context as having any descriptive context (what shinohai's pots); i do. a simple disagreement regarding the use. but i of course have to agree with your general sentiment...

trinque: I have no patience for it.

pete_dushenski: sounds like saying 'i'm lazy' in #trilema is like saying 'i'm a terrorist' on a plane

trinque: what it means is this limp dicked "I did a thing but don't judge me pls" that produced the mountain of filth in which we live

shinohai: I used "lazy" in my bickening response, which pretty much meant I was focused more on other boiling pots at the time.

Framedragger: sure, but by that metric most of software should be discarded a priori. i agree it's not a good thing; this will get fixed when other, important stuff gets fixed.

trinque: this programmer thing "oh I am lazy lolz". to hell with it.

a111: Logged on 2016-09-20 15:26 Framedragger: yeah i know. i was too lazy

Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-15#1466793 << do you have any automatic log sync set up now phf? just curious. (i'll prolly set up a different silent bot to be used as secondary log history source) ☝︎

pete_dushenski: http://trilema.com/2016/full-loper-os-blogroll-review/#comment-119173 << i had no problem finding this gpg key

shinohai: I saw that tweet and immediately hear asciilifeform start ranting against C++ in my head.

pete_dushenski: lurching, belching buses. Alongside were rousing posters, designed in that wonderfully retro socialist realism only the Cubans still embraced: ¡TODO POR LA REVOLUCIÓN! ¡HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE! ¡PATRIA O MUERTE, VENCEREMOS! Meanwhile, I was walking around Facebook, surrounded by stenciled portraits of Mark and equally exhortatory posters: PROCEED AND BE BOLD! GET IN OVER YOUR HEAD! MAKE AN IMPACT!"

pete_dushenski: in other reconfiguring news, fbook vs. cuba : "In Havana, my cousins were forced to listen to rambling speeches about maintaining core values inside a one-dimensional cult of personality. In Menlo Park, I was sitting in a tent full of people wearing identical uniforms of Facebook swag and doing the same. Back in Havana, my cousins were eyeing posters of Che and Fidel on crumbling buildings and the sides of

scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [04:15:39] <asciilifeform> eh BingoBoingo i sat on this for year+.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-20#1545482 << if i weren't stuck in shitholelandia, i'd post ~everything~. ☝︎

Framedragger: yeah i know. i was too lazy ☟︎

asciilifeform: ok i tried it, AND IT BROKE OLD LINKS, FUCK IT

scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [14:26:03] <asciilifeform> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#37 << if this is fixable without breaking old urls, or reaching into the guts of a ~decade-old wp install, i'm all ears

Framedragger: sorry, i over-restricted permissions and removed execute bit from some parts.

Framedragger: i'm restarting the whole box.

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#37 << if this is fixable without breaking old urls, or reaching into the guts of a ~decade-old wp install, i'm all ears << Depending on your wordpress species usually if you set up a person readable url scheme the default numeric one continues working

Framedragger: oh i wasnt referring to unicode. sorry. scriba just timed out

trinque: hm I'll screenshit my client

Framedragger: can't write to logs dir anymore, i was trying to restrict things more

Framedragger: oh prolly 'cause i was changin' permissions

scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [07:49:30] <trinque> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160918/#77 << I'm in, buying.

asciilifeform: Framedragger: i'ma try it.

asciilifeform: some time later i'ma clean up and publish the command set that drives the thing, also

scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [07:35:31] <mircea_popescu> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#6 << nice! but asciilifeform consider fixing your urls, this ?p=blabla is for the dogs. and lafond i guess, but really, most yahoo thing one can do blogging.

asciilifeform: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#37 << if this is fixable without breaking old urls, or reaching into the guts of a ~decade-old wp install, i'm all ears

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: does your wp comments box support basic html tags (such as href)? (i know it supports them when posting comments from *within* wp's dashboard)

scriba: Logged on 2016-09-14: [21:23:49] <phf> asciilifeform: we started with a single canonical log though, where kako's testimony was implicitly the word of tmsr. there was some anathem/"A Canticle for Leibowitz" jokes about it, the log files were deeded, etc. while working on btcbase i realized that there can be no canonical log without arbitration, i.e. because of netsplits, lost messages, out of order, clock skews you need a single author

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: you mean join chan before cloak applied? yeah i know :/ will fix later. want to robustify things as a matter of priority

Framedragger: i am not sure if i should spend time chasing encoding rabbit holes, or start on rewriting things. the logging part is otherwise reliable, after all. but i guess znc can be kept as a source of redundancy, and another logger *which knows wtf utf-8 is* does the primary logging.

framedr_stillghe: i.e. without being tripped up by nuances of sbcl, which i am sure exist.)

scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [07:55:50] <trinque> scriba I'm willing to bet is some other guy's python this kid bolted a thing to

framedr_stillghe: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#67 << yeah, i said as much before! it's sopel, and i maintain that sopel itself is a decent piece of work. (which i can daemonize, maintain etc more easily,

framedr_stillghe: if i can do the latter then the problem is sorted. except for, you know, still having a viewer without search.

framedr_stillghe: what needs to happen is, i need to rewrite the whole friggin' thing, and either ditch znc (while using it as backup log history channel, perhaps), or to understand why znc records some shitty chars.

trinque: scriba I'm willing to bet is some other guy's python this kid bolted a thing to

trinque: shame on the next person who implements any of this without consulting me first, given I handed you lot a full implementation of the logging part, and that I can't remember the last time I had to *touch* deedbot.

trinque: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160918/#77 << I'm in, buying.

mircea_popescu: eh! i guess now Framedragger gets to make scriba read btcbase for a little bit...

trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-18#1544602 << I'm thrilled. ☝︎

scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [04:15:39] <asciilifeform> eh BingoBoingo i sat on this for year+.

mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#6 << nice! but asciilifeform consider fixing your urls, this ?p=blabla is for the dogs. and lafond i guess, but really, most yahoo thing one can do blogging.

ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-19#1545249 << probably going to reneg on this. binary-types handles the fixed-length types admirably, but i have been beating my head against the variable-length fields for days now to no avail. ☝︎

asciilifeform: thing plugs happily into 'pcengines' board from that thread, i will note.

asciilifeform: i have massive pile of this crapola.

asciilifeform: eh BingoBoingo i sat on this for year+.

shinohai: Yeah I recall a thread on this.

shinohai: http://archive.is/vx6VZ "Where do you live? Could be your immigration searched the package." "US - I would feel better if that was the case!"

shinohai: I see the ceasefire has collapsed in Syria, meaning Assad saw shadow and there will be 10 more years of civil war.

shinohai: oh i missed that one, my bad

shinohai: I didn't archive the source on that one because it has stupid javascript or something that obscued the article, making it pointless.