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asciilifeform: diana_coman: i confirmed ( coupla dozen shots ) hang only ever takes place on 1st read() after open().
Mocky: whoa, haven't seen that trilema.com header before
asciilifeform: diana_coman: lulzily, turns out that our horror show is not unknown, https://archive.fo/kRfZy ( spoiler: none of the proposed pills, have any effect
diana_coman: myeah, as battlefield solution that might be the direction to take
asciilifeform: the ideal ugly-an'-reliable pill is prolly a demon that reads both FG 24/7 and alarms if rate is substantially below rated
diana_coman: but yes, this is certainly not going to get solved in 1-2 days by the looks of it
diana_coman: I'm going to dig around a bit more too to see if I can find any more clues of sorts
asciilifeform: ( oughta log the timeouts )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma have to do a detailed dig in re the linux tty thing. but this could take a while, and no guarantee of finding culprit in the 100s of MB of open sores liquishit. so you will need the buffer+timeout thing, i suspect.
diana_coman: fwiw eucrypt always gets stuck on the actual "read("
diana_coman: but I'm not comfortable with not knowing wtf in there because it has the potential to blow up very nastily indeed
diana_coman: <asciilifeform> i suspect an oddity with the linux tty subsystem. the Right Thing solution would be to find it. the alternative, ugly solution, is 1) 512 byte buffered reads 2) with timeout . -> this is pretty much my current understanding as well
asciilifeform: ( observe, if tty ~does~ successfully open, can read 4evah, i had one dd going for 6 months without problem )
asciilifeform: possibly asciilifeform is doomed to write the FG-reading daemon after all.
asciilifeform: no other device does the random ~rate~ thing.
asciilifeform: note that FG outputs not only random bytes, but at random ~rate~ . currently i wonder if we've unearthed an 'impedence mismatch' in linux tty.
asciilifeform: ( the former, ctrl-c'd )
asciilifeform: fwiw dd never stuck midway, only on opening tty.
asciilifeform: so far can't think of a third.
asciilifeform: i suspect an oddity with the linux tty subsystem. the Right Thing solution would be to find it. the alternative, ugly solution, is 1) 512 byte buffered reads 2) with timeout . ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ok, finally managed to get a stuck dd
diana_coman: but a. WHY don't I have same trouble on any of the machines here b. WHY does it hang anyway c. wtf do I do
diana_coman: hence my diana_coman> dd seems to be more resilient but I suspect it's mainly because it's not that sort of little&frequent
asciilifeform: and reads from buffered tty
asciilifeform: well the 1 obvious diff, is that it defaults to 512byte blocks
diana_coman: anyways, dd hangs *sometimes*, harder to pin down ; ftr I DID go and read the dd code too but I can't say I'm any wiser as to why/how it is more resilient
asciilifeform: it's not a constant rate, 7 is the empirical avg., and depends on environmental temp
diana_coman: hm, I usually get that above 7, closer to 8
asciilifeform: ( evidently the dc has pretty good cooling )
diana_coman: anyways, if you find something the matter specifically with eucrypt code, I'd be quite happy really since it's easiest to fix tbh
asciilifeform: not really, the nominal production is 7
diana_coman: a bit slow though?
asciilifeform: eucrypt's test reliably hangs, however, ~every other run
diana_coman: fwiw same tests of eucrypt ran perfectly fine on all machines I have around here with fgs
diana_coman: i.e. if you run the eucrypt tests 0 or 1 that read more they tend to take longer to get to the hang (although they still do eventually)
diana_coman: dd seems to be more resilient but I suspect it's mainly because it's not that sort of little&frequent
diana_coman: the first time it usually hangs
diana_coman: machine with 2 fgs; reboot without init of any fgs; stty on only one fg; dd on that fg
asciilifeform: this box is running traditional gentoo, however, it more closely resembles primary s.mg machine than the test box
asciilifeform: diana_coman: what was the exact process for dd hang ?
diana_coman: aha; good to know at least it's not *just* that machine; might be worth to try replicating the dd hang as well , although by now I expect it will happen
diana_coman: on what machine is this?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, any clue as to cause?
diana_coman: well, uhm, scratch that, I just got one of those stuck too, lol; it took longer to get stuck, nothing else
diana_coman: I start suspecting it's maybe something to do with short+frequent reads as weirdly enough tests that read 4096 bytes seem... fine
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, thanks! confirmed back on + 1 fg available; unfortunately the simple test from smg_rsa (./tests 11 11 ) still hangs
douchebag: In addition to that, most people are just going to go with a cheaper & higher performance alternative
douchebag: My main problem with the Pizarro business model is that I could essentially get the same service by purchasing a fiber internet connection and hooking it up to a rockchip and then SSHing into it
ben_vulpes: 2 unclosed tags on altavista.com/bugbounty
mircea_popescu: they'll "leave their mark", or w/e they call it now. a giant pink L in the foam of the sea.
douchebag: I just have not been enlightened on why my goals are "the wrong goals", the goals I'm working towards are going to help me feed my family someday and at the end of the day that is what matters to me.
mircea_popescu: just like the weev morons, writing "advertising" irc bots to advertise inept usg alt-agenda to me. because yea, totally, THAT'll work, and is the way to spend a youth. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: fellow has ~infinite energy to expend, but strictly towards the wrong goals. provide him with some self-defeating goals, he'll stay up nights.
douchebag: Also the security firm I'm working on is expected to pull at least a half million dollars by december ☟︎☟︎☟︎
douchebag: Well, it wasn't neccesarily a critical vulnerability - it was just rather unique. The hall of Fame's just help for my resume
mircea_popescu is looking at ben_vulpes talking to himself, shakes head.
ben_vulpes: heh hall of fame is what they give out to make the 750 bucks not sting so bad, huh?
douchebag: ben_vulpes: I understand we disagree on that, however I'm trying to make money - I don't see how hosting rockchips that are overpriced is going to generate revenue in the long term.
ben_vulpes: douchebag: link to any of these famous halls?
ben_vulpes: the whole responsible disclosure threads went clear over your head
douchebag: But yeah, I just wanted to let you guys know that I'm not a useless piece of shit. I've just been focusing on my personal projects, I've also gotten in a few more Hall of Fame's for some vulnerabilities I discovered.
ben_vulpes: douchebag: and you think that pantsuit press coverage instead of hosing their boxen is the key to fame fortune and a seat in tmsr?
BingoBoingo: This is IRC, I am pretty sure everyone here has at least a little bit of troll in their ancestry. Except for the transylvanians
douchebag: Someone made a bot that's been spamming it everywhere
douchebag: BingoBoingo: That's a freenode troll
BingoBoingo: From the links that got dropped: "Why GNU Linux is the operating system for Pedo-Positive Users"
douchebag: Things are going very well, next month we're going to have a lot of news coverage due to some audits we did. We managed to find tons of 0days in an open source medical CMS as well as a IP Relay service used in much of Canada.
douchebag: Alright fellows, I know I hadn't really been contributing to the republic.
mod6: douchebag wants the mic ☟︎
mod6: And I think that's the right idea.
mod6: I just +m'd it for now, but a long while ago we decided to keep it -m, so people could ask questions/speak freely.
asciilifeform: there's liquishit kilometre deep in there nao
asciilifeform: i thought we had +v
asciilifeform: the ameri-protestants 'improved' even on this, their heaven iirc is full of aborted foeti
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 do you need it or something ? << Not at all, Sir. I was going to let it expire indeed.
mircea_popescu: it was supposed to be "christian". as in, "they're who you're gonna run into in heaven, god's own most beloved children, the idiots."
mircea_popescu: AMONG THEMSELVES, they didn't feel all that ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: i recall a time the word "cretin" was coined, by humans walking the swiss alps and discovering villages of these inbred morons, rendered stupid by the lack of iodine.
asciilifeform: ( i recall a trilema article where mircea_popescu actually walked fleanode looking for signs of life, found ~0 )
mircea_popescu: we are the only humans left, actually.
asciilifeform: are we the only moderated chan left or wat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and i'll bet you whatever you want that much like the #lisp morons failiong to realise what candi_lustt is ; so #linux-whjatever will fail to realise why #trilema doesn't have a problem, and what a voice model is, and what EXACTLY it means to be the intellectual inferior.
asciilifeform could not muster the fuck-giving to read the payload, has nfi what the thing wants ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ~would have been~. were there a father, and were he around at the time called "formative", and could he be arsed to be alive and so forth.
asciilifeform: there's a dozen or so of these going, e.g. #linux-rockchip is filling up
mircea_popescu: no, because the cure would have been for their father to tie them to the same bed post as the stupid mother and beat both senseless the moment the "oh you're special and can do anything" nonsense came out of her mouth.
asciilifeform: hunchback straightens -- in the grave.
asciilifeform: i dun think there is a cure for what ails these .
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but think about it. could have had shinohai's lordship, if only ritalin actually worked as an add cure.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, the mornic, fucktarded kids, coming up on their own power and out of their own skulls with this fantasy alt-world wherein they dun have to read the log and work with the republic and so on and so forth.
mircea_popescu: it's just... somewhere between outrageous and ludicrous, i guess. on one hand, the fucktarded, moronic kids, coming up on their own power and out of their own skulls with this fantasy alt-world wherein anyone has any respect for the usg.freenode fuckwits, and in which alt-world they're gonna make known the big bad secrets, little snowdens that they be.
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck the kids today.
mircea_popescu: cuz someone totally gives a shit about whatever totallies horrible things nobody-on-a-stick maybe said somtime, or at least such could be constructively deduced bla bla bal.
lobbesbot: esthlos: Sent 12 hours and 56 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> in e.g. http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2016-03-28 you link to kako's log ; i recommend against this , it is not a faithful record of the actual text ( last yr he took to monkeying with it via perlism and possibly also manually )
a111: Logged on 2018-07-31 12:47 asciilifeform: !Q later tell esthlos in e.g. http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2016-03-28 you link to kako's log ; i recommend against this , it is not a faithful record of the actual text ( last yr he took to monkeying with it via perlism and possibly also manually )
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-31#1838300 << thank you, fixed ☝︎
mircea_popescu: Napsterbater5 you weak drama lot are the reason these fucktards turned off unregistered accts resulting in my inept bimbo nearly going nuts over the weekend ?
Napsterbater5: A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
Napsterbater5: Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
Napsterbater5: I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/