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mircea_popescu: dexX7
the only successful scam resolution
that i know of,
dexX7: are
there any cases
that people reported scams
to
the feds and what happend
then? pirateat40 excluded
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mircea_popescu: pankkake people never read restatements. because it's below
them
to do such humiliating
thing.
mircea_popescu: which includes waiting fucking hours
to close bets etc.
pankkake: the bet address page restates
the bet
mircea_popescu: still, you know. contrary
to what
the forum would have itself
think, bitbet is designed
to prevent as much of
this as possible
mike_c: yeah, but
that just drives more
traffic as far as i can
tell.
mircea_popescu: for one. for
the other, i'd have a "but i meant
to bet on x3, misclicked bet on x5, bitbet is a scam now" stuff
mike_c: agree with
the mindfuck aspect of
the problem. reject/accept bet ratio could get way out of wack.
mircea_popescu: just... not much horse racing in btc. since
the demise of
the satoshi demon gal.
pankkake: a good idea would probably
to find out actual interesting bets
that would need it
pankkake: I don't know if I could fix myself
to be less of a hater. I regularly fail
mircea_popescu: mike_c we are looking into perhaps making multi bets, it's not
too hard
to do, but
tbh
the mindfuck may be
too much for
the userbase.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: pankkake: Well
the butthurt from
the ActiveMining fans
that
their being delivered pays as no delivery at all should lead
to some entertaining butthurt, and what is Bitcoin without Butt?
mike_c: well, as long as all possibilites are reasonable, it doesn't have
to suck. horse races are parimutuel and have 8-12 outcomes
pankkake: well
the order website states november delivery
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Well you chose
the same yes side I did. I'm not sure activeminer is even as much of a
thing so I placed it as no with
them both not delivering hoping it might get action at least as a BFL delivery bet.
pankkake: I feel like BFL will ship first,
though
the lols provided would be payment enough
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Well if you
truly believe it is a cripple fight,
the solution is bet No and wait for March 1st
pankkake: but
then you can't really have a live estimate of which company sucks more
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Well, draws do suck.
The solution is
the bet has
to fail as No, and bettors have
to price accordingly for
that.
pankkake: I see
that as a "Cripple Fight"
pankkake: interesting
that you had
the same idea
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Not really. How
thoroughly did you
try
to spec it?
pankkake: the desc is cut so I can't see what you did in case of none of
them delivering
pankkake: BingoBoingo: did you see my previous submission of
the same bet?
mircea_popescu: total noob question here, but are
there any
traditional assets
that are
traded simultaneously on, say, NYSE/LSE/TSE? << depositary receipts are used
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pankkake: bitbet never loses an occasion
to scam
TomServo: "Bitcoin will stay above $1000 for
the rest of 2013"
The shortest bitbet ever?
gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 2 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> lmao all
this hating.
pankkake:
http://btcwarn.com/ is usually a great service but
these days it's useless, I get many mails and all are usually already outdated once
they arrive
pankkake: so we can know when
to buy without ruining freedom
pankkake: we need a bitcoin spokeperson
to stabilize
the price
mike_c: prediction:
tomorrow
there will be 42 new articles about how volatile bitcoin is.
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mike_c: topace, i am a fan, not a
troll. you should remove
that # from
the site..
TaT seems
to agree.
nubbins`: ah, lel. interesting
time
to be alive
nubbins`: or went
to space with
their friends
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mike_c: i don't see how you can
tell a potential shareholder "the market cap is based on 1.675m shares, but
the dividend based on 100m"
topace: the panama fund owns 80m units, but since
the ipo didnt sell out, it actually holds ~83.3m units still.
mike_c: so
to be clear: 15% of dividend
to owners. 2%
to shareholders. 83%
to
the company ledger.
mike_c: and where
the hell does 80% of
the dividend go if nobody owns
those units?
nubbins`: if i buy a previously unpurchased share a year from now, am i entitled
to past dividends?
mike_c: ok, you can't say
the market cap is for 1.75m shares, but dividends are for 100m.
topace: dividend goes
to all 100m shares
mike_c: it says dividends will be divided by 100mm, but
that doesn't make sense if no one owns 80mm of
the units
ThickAsThieves: and have it on charts page and order page with better
tag
mike_c: ok, so dividends..
they will be divided by 1.75 mm?
the other 15mm get nothing right now?
nubbins`: should change
the charts
to show # of shares issued rather
than price
topace: we'll likely re-try
the remainder of
the second
tranche in a few weeks
ThickAsThieves: i'm not clear on whether Havelock can issue
the 5m or 20m remainder anytime
topace: there are 100m shares, 20m shares _will_ be on havelock eventually, 15m held privately on havelock, 5m floated. so far
the 15m have not been allocated on havelock
☟︎ mike_c: but
that is authorized, not issued
mike_c: hm, i got my quote from
their prospectus. where is yours from?
ThickAsThieves: This offer will represent
Twenty Percent (20%) in virtual units of
the HavlockInvestments.com which is comprised in
total of 100,000,000 units of
the Fund.
These units will never be diluted.
mike_c: 5,000,000 (25%) will be floated via
the exchange
mike_c: 15,000,000 (75%) will be restricted units held privately by
the owners of
the Fund
mike_c: HavelockInvestments.com will offer a
total of 20,000,000 units.
nubbins`: sure, but is
that
the same HSBC or is it regional companies?
mike_c: tat, show me any definition of market cap
that is different from
this.
pankkake: I
think
there is even assets
traded in multiple currencies, like HSBC
nubbins`: sure, i'm
talking about AM now
nubbins`: and i'm not
talking like coca cola canada being listed on
toronto stock exchange, i mean
the exact same company
mike_c: no. we can argue over how
to calculate
the "price", but market cap is price * # of shares.
nubbins`: that's at least a starting point for
this question of market cap
nubbins`: total noob question here, but are
there any
traditional assets
that are
traded simultaneously on, say, NYSE/LSE/TSE?
nubbins`: it's happened
to me a few
times
today
nubbins`: still
trying
to figure out what
triggers "123!"
pankkake: how would
that work for, say, AM100?