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phf: trinque: nothing comes
to mind,
though i'm sure
there's gotta be something in 70s su phrase book. we gotta ask rotakus
though,
that seems more of
their
thing (plus
they would've had much better luck saying stuff like
that, might've been
too close
to home in SU)
trinque figures
there's some phrase in russian
that means roughly "complexity accumulated in bureau A because not permitted/unwilling
to change how bureau B works"
phf: i mean, your bots gotta exist in a distributed pool, each does a whois on join, negotiates a spawn of a new bot if
there's an untracked connection. of course
this is an unreasonable amount of engineering for a logbot
phf: asciilifeform: you missed what i said. whois
tells you which server user connects
through.
to prevent a netsplit scenario, you have
to connect
to every one of
those boxes with at least one bot, but better yet n+1
phf: i'm pretty sure we had pocket conversations during netsplits,
that none of
the bots heard
☟︎☟︎ phf: i mean
to do reliable logging you need
to
track
the whois "on server", and spawn 2 bots per server, which
then all negotiate a single consensus message
to promote
to canonical "this is what was said"
☟︎ phf: and
things become
tricky when bot gets kicked off for whatever reason
phf: unless
there's netsplit
phf: we've had
this conversation long
time ago,
that irc loging is a purely gossip-like
thing. at best you can say
that "a111 received
this message at such and such
time, was claimed
to be from X"
☟︎ phf: also kako's format includes a unique id as
the first field, obviously will also need
to be removed
phf: there's no
timestamp information in irc protocol.
the
time is whenever
the client received it
phf: this follows ye old kako format, in fact
the pre-trilema files are kako's
a111: Logged on 2016-04-11 09:50 mircea_popescu: incidentally phf is
there a log bundle for download somewhere ?
phf: asciilifeform:
that's an idle request
phf: btcbase already does
that, internally. i've offered people in
the past a feed (since i don't want
that service
to be abused), but i don't
think anyone expressed interest
phf: well, i've seen lines missing during netsplits, which i suppose is not
this critical. i suspect ben_vulpes's logbot doesn't have a fallback mechanism, so when it drops
there's
the reconnect window, which i suspect i could find one or
two with missing one or
two lines. ben_vulpes will have
to speak for himself
though.
phf: so +r drops
the reliability of all logtrons
☟︎ phf: in
the simplest case joining a channel is a send-only process. can
theoretically fully ignore what
the server is saying and still get a successful join. not so when you have
to negotiate with nickserv (at
the very least need
to
time it right, so
that you send you privmsg after
the connection has been established, which is almost entirely "organic" process)
phf: yes, for
the general reliability it's an improvement.
phf: asciilifeform: for
the scenario i'm describing it makes no difference
phf: nah, makes no difference in
this particular situation. you want your
thing
to come back by any means necessary
to continue witnessing. as of now "coming back" is a much more complicated process
phf: but
that doesn't always work (for fundamental reasons of non-synchronized protocol), so i have it entirely disabled on mine. i'll add it back, but
there's going
to be an event X sometime in
the feature, where both bot and bouncer failed
to come back, resulting in log break. with previous configuration
that was less likely
phf: asciilifeform: you bouncer autoidentifies with fleanode
then
phf: asciilifeform: i saw it, i'm pointing out
that
this addition breaks
things. you have
to make sure
that every single client plays along with freenode's defective ident system, otherwise you get breaks in logs, etc. e.g. phf bouncer is used as a fallback for logs,
to ensure continuity, where
the fact
that
the bouncer would come back naively (i.e. without
trying
to negotiate with nickserv) was a feature
☟︎ phf: ave1: i've updated zfp with regrind and
the latest zfp_3_platform
phf: oh
this is beautiful,
the new "registered only" restriction on channels means
that unless your bouncer auto identifies, you get kicked off
the channel
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Then I come
to Uruguay and
there's critters picking
through
trash, but
they look like white folk. And
these Uruguayos coons act more coon like
than
the black North American coons.
BingoBoingo: Well,
the challenge was... Because
this was USistania... Not calling
the critter
the same name
the coons were
BingoBoingo: the hardest part of any fiat job I ever had was when coons came into home depot complaining about coons
tearing up
their
trash
BingoBoingo: Then again coonskins aren't sold much in
the US anymore
BingoBoingo: In other local weird
today I learned
the locals consider Chinchillas a
type of rabbit rather
than
the rodent
they are
mircea_popescu: whereas in romanian it just comes naturally, with
the language.
mircea_popescu: with
the caveat, of course,
that one who could express himself in english in
that manner instantly raises in
the audience
the suspicion he should be some kind of king or something.
mircea_popescu: spyked "scuză-mă
te rog, îs năcăjit rău" ie, "don't hold my bitter lot against me."
mircea_popescu: that remarkably-like a
town background for every jwz's jwzing.
mircea_popescu: for people who "just wanted
to" play vidja in
their den or "work on
their software dev projects" or whatever,
there HAS
to be someone putting up
the pretense of "small
town" surroundingtheir stretch of sidewalk.
mircea_popescu: george sanders has an excellent point re
this : "for new yorkers who want
to go out of
town, new haven is a stretch of sidewalk between
the
taft hotel and
the schubert
theatre, surrounded by what appears remarkably like a small
town".
☟︎ mircea_popescu: if what one wants is "for x
to be without needing my involvement", x can only be a road show. what else ?
mircea_popescu: performative leadership. always same flavour of scamola,
the beheading of
the "unreliable" priests organised like any other show by
the same priesthood
that produced
the "unreliable" priesthood.
BingoBoingo: Most of
those dudes have an ultralight
tend strapped
to a motor.
This dude
took a "Real Plane"(TM)(R)
BingoBoingo: Well, dude was unhappy with his life and just wanted
to do a barrel roll per
the
transcripts. If
they let
the shootdown get out
they fear a wave of "muh feelz"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because
the use of violence is a serious problem in
the swamp.
there's a reason dogvomit doesn't launch rockets, you understand ? not
that "couldn't", but
that out of uniform.
mircea_popescu: "you mean some
text is going
to be repeated billions of
times and referenced as such from here
to eternity ? damn."
mircea_popescu: yeah. not
the end of
the world, mostly making
the point
that people rarely get
the
text right. "oh, i didn't realise what
this was gonna do" sorta
thing
mircea_popescu: "F-15 "pilots kept plane out of harms way and people on ground safe,"
the sheriff's office
tweeted."
mircea_popescu: call yourself "deltaop" and scroll
the
thing
to where it flashes "unlock
the backdoor".