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asciilifeform: t: they’re not. I feel like someone robbed me of my birthright, as should anyone else who speaks english but never read the Book of Exeter. I’d tell you to go ask the nuns how they did that, but your lot bought them vibrators and taught them to be lesbians, so there aren’t any left to talk to.'
phf: i know an astrophysicist who does botany for a hobby, he's from soviet union though..
asciilifeform: i could've sworn we did the thread...
asciilifeform: stead of employing one guy for a few days, the budget will get chopped up to a half dozen people, it will take months instead of days, and I won’t get what I want anyway. Sure, they can build things now that they couldn’t have before, but there is something missing in the food chain: the guy who can screw around in the machine shop and build something that works from a pencil sketch. There are guys who want to do that, who are ca
asciilifeform: d me a cryochamber with electrodes and X-ray windows in it for keeping a torr of helium in a UHV system, and he’d go away and build the freaking thing from a piece of aluminum, he’d come to me a few days later, and it would work. There is no guy like that now. Now I have to go through a CAD designer, who will send it to a CAM shop, and the thing will come back with something missing, like no wires to hook up to the electrodes. In
asciilifeform: 'there were these old guys who were there in the glory days. Usually they were uneducated men; working class machinist types of guys who cut their teeth in the Navy. They were capable of building just about anything; these guys were really incredible artists. Not only are these guys dying off without passing on their knowledge to new generations, nobody cares! When I was there, there was this guy Noel Kellog. I could ask Noel to buil
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561340 << none of the linked crud has any resemblance to the l0gz, or qntra, as far as i can tell ☝︎
ben_vulpes: in other animalia: http://i.imgur.com/kDAGhSA.jpg
ben_vulpes: it definitely accretes faster than i can tear items off
mircea_popescu: i can only shudder in horror at the length of your buttexperimentalist.
thestringpuller: i would blame the parents for telling all the kids "college is how you get a good jerb!"
shinohai: It's blog is a treasure trove of lulz as well: http://www.alexandraerin.com/care-and-feeding/ "If I exert myself too hard, I pay for it later."
BingoBoingo: I think you misspelled hashbrowns
trinque: you keep using that word... I do not think it means what you think it means.
asciilifeform: soooo somebody linked this turd, https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/575 , and i read the paper to try an' see how the fuck a gizmo that requires you to send bitcoin to folx you don't know can be 'trust-free'. took exactly 30 seconds to read to the point where it relies on 'timelocked' transactions.
mod6: Yup, I see it in there now. Thanks for the quick response/fix jurov.
BingoBoingo: Sure, now's as good a time as any. I was going to save rickets for a very Qntra X-mas story, but a holiday is a holiday.
asciilifeform: 'As of 2016, the independently-funded company is staffed by a team of seven, all of whom joined with a security background, with the majority of that experience coming from the US Dept. of Defense.' << i'ma die of lulz nao
mircea_popescu: srsly, the experience of carly "i sunk hp hear me roar" fiorina isn't enough ?
mircea_popescu: n exist. there's a lot of similarly broken stuff in there, and then there's strange notions i can't readily evaluate. it is also much too long, yet it evidently is too sparsely written in most nodes. do yourself & teh world a favour and rewrite this thing.
mircea_popescu: !~later tell gabriel_laddel so the thing is - you have to rewrite this. there's a lot of very powerful ideas struggling in the mire of very poor (and often rushed) writing. there's no way out, i can't rewrite it for you. while it's starting to emerge into sense it's not yet at the level of development where it can be productively engaged. take but one simple example : "$computation against $uri validate videos were watched".
trinque: I will be interesting to hear what ben_vulpes has to say about this, given recent block-parsing adventures ☟︎
asciilifeform: (at no point do i give a fuck what is in mempool, unless i put it there)
asciilifeform: i'm not convinced that it even belongs in same proggy
mircea_popescu: the three girls presently in the room have three girls names, but if i have them fuck each other and film the proceedings the filename will be something with a time in it. apparently this doesn't make the walls collapse on my head.
asciilifeform: every time i open a notebook and start in these, i barf upon realizing that there is more of these than of sane design decisions.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure. i suppose you save lookup tables huh.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that you'd want to make txn files really. they're small, just load their block in memory.
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> To the Republic I pose New Header for the gray lady with the rabbit hat. "Qntra - [Fill-this-blank] Of The Most Serene Republic" << Chronicle ?
mircea_popescu: they are still turds. i don't want to seek in a fucking 2gb file to find block N
a111: Logged on 2016-11-01 03:24 mircea_popescu: i have nfi how satoshi reasoned to arrive at the current nonsense of 2gb monoliths, but it was dumb.
BingoBoingo: To the Republic I pose New Header for the gray lady with the rabbit hat. "Qntra - [Fill-this-blank] Of The Most Serene Republic"
a111: Logged on 2016-11-01 03:20 mircea_popescu: also i have nfi what "db" we can trust. they're all shit
mircea_popescu: and it's also immensely ssd friendly : you don't touch most blocks. say you keep i dunno, 12 or something like that, user-configured, in memory. this way, you only write them to disk once.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i have nfi how satoshi reasoned to arrive at the current nonsense of 2gb monoliths, but it was dumb. << FAT32 file size limit
mod6: sure, i think going block -> certainly fits into the same paradigm as eatblock/dumpblock.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how satoshi reasoned to arrive at the current nonsense of 2gb monoliths, but it was dumb. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: mod6 note i'm not even discussing a special fs. that's a while down the road. for now, all that's needed is some serious profiling work, to see how we store the thing. prolly as block = file ? and just use a normal ext4 or w/e
mircea_popescu: and then of course they'll discover this nice bug that's been there for 10 years and utterly ruins you. so you gotta update. except the only update available is made by florian "i eat shit for breakfast" weimer and well... it contains 3 extra holes to be burned in 2025
mod6: i think putting effort into: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/trb_tickets.html#6 is the right idea.
mircea_popescu: also i have nfi what "db" we can trust. they're all shit ☟︎
mod6: Ah indeed, an 'interesting idea'. I'm excited to see where we can take that.
mircea_popescu: the thing with the db is, i keep thinking about it and i keep failing to convince myself a db is even needed in the first fucking place. truth be told blockchain is the textbook example of "you don't db this shit son, use the filesystem"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1561075 << aha, the chance that he comes up with iron that i would permit in my house, is ~0 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 21:45 gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560440 < 2.5k usd. Per month, until I bitched about it and it was knocked down to $600/mo - anyways, it isn't about the money, it's about him doing absolutely nothing with it and making a mess that someone will have to clean up.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 21:33 gabriel_laddel: When my life is less shit I'll be setting up a method by which in-WOT people can get it for free. You all, of course, will be able to sell the same product I am.
mod6: Anyway, overall, I'm super excited for the future of TRB.
mod6: you've thrown some good punches while trolling lately. i've lul'd.
shinohai: I'm so tired of seeing it when I troll for articles I'm thinking of writing a script that blocks it from my browser
mod6: I'm sure there will be some further re-alignment of tasks in coming weeks, etc.
mod6: Getting a way from bdb will be a huge long term scalability effort. And we've had some very interesting ideas suggested for replacement. So I think that'll be a whole part of the Ideal Bitcoin probably. Right now, tickets 6, 7, and 8 are on a disconnected graph, but could be easily joined to the greater "Ideal" effort.
mod6: I would really like to get some of the low-hanging fruit taken care of in the wallet though.
mod6: So right now, the import/dump priv key is being reviewed/reground/updated/tested. Next, I'd say we take a hard look at maybe the rawtx one, or maybe even some of the log cleanup ones? There were a whole bunch submitted by polar_beard.
mod6: I suspect the long term plan will come into better focus as we start to dig into some of these short term ones though.
mod6: Well, short term, I think the current goal is to get through some of these vpatch submissions as we said we would. Hopefully get through a bunch by year end. (Jan 8th) However, the longer term goal is to work on Ideal bitcoin.
mod6: Perhaps you can see if there was an error. I didn't get a bounce message, yet. Will let you know if I see anything on my end.
mod6: !~later tell jurov I tried to send the State of Bitcoin Address email to the ML, which deeded just fine right now, but nothing seems to have shown up in the ML archives yet.
shinohai: http://archive.is/Nw5Ft "I'm forking Zcash" lmao
phf: !~later tell gabriel_laddel fyi a handy hack for doing binary patching of deployed lisp images http://www.nicklevine.org/play/patching-made-easy.html i used a variation of that back when i was doing lisp consulting
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 21:40 phf: gabriel_laddel: i wasn't thinking of selling your product, but i wouldn't mind trying to do the deployment on a own hardware
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 21:32 gabriel_laddel: trinque: I'm just selling them by hand at the moment in the bay area (going to google for a scheme meetup to hawk product here in ~.5 hrs)
mircea_popescu: i never had any patience to begin with ; consequently - i can't ever lose it.
shinohai: I almost lost patience with anond until diana_coman made me feel bad about it.
mircea_popescu: i think it's a very bad idea to misrepresent this (here) as "selling the box" because it'll cause you nothing but frictive grief.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 21:34 gabriel_laddel: I've been charging $200 on top of the price of hardware, but as of today (and an extended navigator that indexes all symbols and their types) - 300
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 21:30 gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560469 < would you mind reviewing arsttep? I'm shipping it with each machine as part of the manual and would like for others to be able to understand it.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 20:01 asciilifeform: (recently i was handling some vaguely ubuntu-derived abortion and clicked 'no thx' and was treated to it loading ANYWAY)
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 21:39 phf: trinque: i found an old screenshot of doing that http://glyf.org/screenshots/mozrepl2.png
gabriel_laddel: Noted. When I get a chance I will look into V. This means _after_ the world replication works. Which, for whatever reason, produces a linux kernel that kernel panics on startup.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1561012 << I guarantee this will only happen via use of V ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 18:14 trinque: I'm irritated he didn't genesis v-patch the thing
trinque: and even without fancy shit like that, I don't notice a damn thing lagging
trinque: re alf's realtime rant, I can't see how that's not possible, perhaps by interrupting an ongoing redisplay with a condition?
trinque: I am on the latest from the pre-fork maintainers
gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560792 < ben_vulpes sorry what? I didn't post that in here because it was strictly for defunding the McCLIM idiots. ☝︎
trinque: it turned out that I was using some ancient mcclim from a copy of their old CVS on a particular dev machine
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 17:45 phf: trinque: i'd like to at least try it out. i'm unconvinced clim is a good idea, because there aren't any good implementations. mcclim is terribly over-engineered (in the best of java style, with delegates for proxies etc.), clim codebase that lispworks/allegro share is less so, but more hacky. which makes me wonder if clim spec itself is suspect
gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560440 < 2.5k usd. Per month, until I bitched about it and it was knocked down to $600/mo - anyways, it isn't about the money, it's about him doing absolutely nothing with it and making a mess that someone will have to clean up. ☝︎☟︎
trinque: not like I don't want the source, but you understand my meaning
trinque: I can't help but see braindead open-sores-ism in that.
gabriel_laddel: phf: you can do whatever. It will be free for in-wot people and I encourage you all to turn it into money.
phf: gabriel_laddel: i wasn't thinking of selling your product, but i wouldn't mind trying to do the deployment on a own hardware ☟︎
trinque: well I'm not going anywhere :p
gabriel_laddel: trinque: I'm working on completing the whole CLIM environment, but am not there yet. Still have to tie all the new logic for reflective search for generic functions specialized on arbitrary types, lambda lists of length, and return values of type to the navigator.
phf: trinque: i found an old screenshot of doing that http://glyf.org/screenshots/mozrepl2.png ☟︎
gabriel_laddel: I've been charging $200 on top of the price of hardware, but as of today (and an extended navigator that indexes all symbols and their types) - 300 ☟︎
gabriel_laddel: When my life is less shit I'll be setting up a method by which in-WOT people can get it for free. You all, of course, will be able to sell the same product I am. ☟︎
gabriel_laddel: trinque: I'm just selling them by hand at the moment in the bay area (going to google for a scheme meetup to hawk product here in ~.5 hrs) ☟︎
phf: oh i guess you pulled all the masamune material on account of selling it? i remember there was a bunch of dedicated content, that's no longer there (arsstep being one of them)
gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560469 < would you mind reviewing arsttep? I'm shipping it with each machine as part of the manual and would like for others to be able to understand it. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 03:33 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560415 << lol, I'm under the impression that gabriel_laddel trolls logs for highlights with a script, or would've provided better context
gabriel_laddel: phf: I have. It is called masamune, and you buy a discrete box from me that comes with everything on it.
asciilifeform: (recently i was handling some vaguely ubuntu-derived abortion and clicked 'no thx' and was treated to it loading ANYWAY) ☟︎
asciilifeform: or i'd be sitting and getting frostbite waiting for boot.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 19:37 mircea_popescu: i dunno who cares about boot times, a machine that's booted isn't intended for serious use anyway
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560936 << i care in a few special cases. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i dunno who cares about boot times, a machine that's booted isn't intended for serious use anyway ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 17:45 phf: trinque: i'd like to at least try it out. i'm unconvinced clim is a good idea, because there aren't any good implementations. mcclim is terribly over-engineered (in the best of java style, with delegates for proxies etc.), clim codebase that lispworks/allegro share is less so, but more hacky. which makes me wonder if clim spec itself is suspect
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560716 << see also. when i hear 'delegates' i 'read for the luger' ☝︎
trinque: "I am doing the smart thing by using Lisp; what blemishes?"