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mircea_popescu: in which vein, let me recount a little anecdote from personal history.

mircea_popescu: since thye have no such hope about me, they "don't like" me. and so on. it's an easy enough game to play, but honestly i'd rather move to thailand and "seduce" the local whores, $50 at a time.

Framedragger: asciilifeform: i've seen (and i've posted under a normal-to-their-eyes non-newbie account myself, but mine may have just not attracted interest), fuck them, yes

mircea_popescu: Framedragger you will rediscover the same thing : that all the love for ycombinator comes out of the misplaced hopes of a bunch of potheads that graham will pay them to... be potheads.

Framedragger: i would wager a claim that hackernews folk - those who need the money and who click through - would be more motivated and more reflective than tardstalk kids (with large enough sample sizes to confirm). i'll consider finding some suitable wording to be posted there, assuming there being interest.

asciilifeform: sorta how if i throw some gold dust in a crack in city pavement, it will not lead to a gold rush

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider the following amusing datapoint - other than the "intro" ie, first bitcent, people could make more through digging up ordinary claims for me. the way this works is that you end up with a lot of material, which has to be taken back to town, but you can't carry it, because overweight. there is A BOT! written, documented on wiki, discussed on channel, that shortcuts this.

mircea_popescu: which is why - write 2500 pointless comments on reddit, yay! but make yourself a key nay!

mircea_popescu: which is why i got all the fiverr dorks failing miserably - they were simply applying the homer simpson heuristic - "i will now chomp my jaws and if a pie happens to go in the way a well".

shinohai found it a rather fun experiment, learned quite a bit along the way.

mircea_popescu: jsut as there was a way, years ago, for "bitcoin developer community" to impress me.

mircea_popescu: anyway - the point remains, there are REASONS i / we discredit things. there ACTUALLY WAS A WAY for "bitcoin community" on tardstalk to impress me.

asciilifeform: because a d00d keeping promises re money is so far removed from everyday experience of homo americanicus

mircea_popescu: i on the other hand paid out 1k btc on a whim.

mircea_popescu: understand the forces at work here - some dork famously promised to pay anyone commenting in his thing 1 bitcent if trump won. then trump won, and he ran off over a debt of ... 25btc, accumulated from a "massive" 2500 comments.

Framedragger: (and for logs, http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/ << all data from ssh scans, in a more stable place.)

mircea_popescu: no. i would have obviously been forced to end it eventually. however, they didn't even come fucking close to giving me a run for my money.

mircea_popescu: but, that aside, with no actual work (ie, on a windows machine, which is how we say "unprogrammable computer") something like a coupla weeks.

asciilifeform: (1 btc / mo. will buy a starvation-level existence in the cheaper parts of usa. supposing you also know how to convert it to zimbabwistan currencies.)

Framedragger: the *banners.txt's are my partial cleanup, *_err_scan.log's are the original stderr's (with some junk in them). but i will clean this myself later. and siphnos.mkj.lt is where i'll host phuctor-related data. (it's on a separate unused vps, got an 'ok' from $work for now.) ☟︎

mircea_popescu: there's no manual labour, it's a computer.

mircea_popescu: which means that if i charged them 50k a year for four years in advance - they'd be about even.

asciilifeform: i'd give a literate tank loader , say, 30 min.

asciilifeform: if monkey - i cannot answer , i am not a trainer of monkeys, do not know how long it takes

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you were to write timetables, how much time would you count "generate a pgp key and register it with deedbot" ? full hour ? ten minutes ? full day ?

asciilifeform: if it actually contains a 'min wage' apparatus inside somewhere, that these folx could theoretically pay rent from, i take it all back.

asciilifeform: but a 1time moar, neh?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your fixation with "a penny" doesn't help however. it wasn't a penny, it was more than they make at home.

asciilifeform: this is why 'convert stupid folx' is imho a total and irredeemable dead end -- because they are not ~that~ stupid, and - while knowing that beelzebub created them to die in a uranium mine at age 19, there is instead this scam where they get 'picket fence house' and a 'ford.' so why should they volunteer for the mine.

mircea_popescu: "des le debut, la cybernetique a accepte ce que toute theorie de la technologie doit refuser : une classification des objets technologues menee par des criteres preexistants et selon des genres et especes etabils."

asciilifeform: the 'min wage' folx do this thing... where was the thread, with the 'we make a home!'

a111: Logged on 2016-11-20 22:39 mircea_popescu: speaking of this, and re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569760 : a) it was actually exactly the same usg pays via min wage (out of private pockets, but w/e, usg is the REAL government, not the republic hurr durr) and b) it made people do sensible things such as making pgp keys. a certain ammount of this "wash yourself" "read a book" basic training will have to be done forcibly, because ontogenesis may follow philogenesis,

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-20#1571565 << 'min wage' as found in usa and elsewhere is a complex and long-term parasitic relationship, not a d00d who throws a penny at a bootblack and expects something other than derisive smirk ☝︎

asciilifeform: as a student i read the thing, expecting the worst, but it was surprisingly sane

mircea_popescu: so you know, yes i do spend my money to make the world a less shitty place but plox don't take this as some sort of free radical ready to be combined with your stubborn refusal and yield whatever nutty interpretation. it ain't that free a radical.

mircea_popescu: more importantly c) intelligent folks know about it but dun seem inclined to try it ; perhaps because preconceived notions (oh, a game is below my intelligence and i couldn't be happy with a black woman), perhaps for whatever other cause.

mircea_popescu: speaking of this, and re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569760 : a) it was actually exactly the same usg pays via min wage (out of private pockets, but w/e, usg is the REAL government, not the republic hurr durr) and b) it made people do sensible things such as making pgp keys. a certain ammount of this "wash yourself" "read a book" basic training will have to be done forcibly, because ontogenesis may follow philogenesis, ☝︎☟︎

mod6: "i scammed you fair and square! you're a shitty victim! *negrate*"

mod6: what a dolt. with less effort you can mine with your hands in eulora ftw.

mircea_popescu: cyberpunk as understood by bartle-likes is very different from what you think about. in this dork's mind it's strictly us and a consumer affair, of the 70s. like disco hair, us-gayness, pulp fiction or mechanical pianos.

mircea_popescu: well... unless you have a camera that works, i have no idea. the pigeons ~themselves~ aren't book-ready.

mircea_popescu: but the important point here i guess is that mpex is a service ; not a publisher. you're essentially asking "how do i include some pigeons in my book"

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i'm putting up a webpage which mentions phuctor, and i want to give reference to S.NSA as the corporation which produced phuctor. how do i link to mpex?

mircea_popescu: nobody planning to spend a trn dollars can possibly be for sound money.

mircea_popescu: whole thing has to be scrapped and rebuilt, they're a laughingstock not for actually competent players such as romania, but for utter nobodies from fucking arfrica / latam

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's no way around it - us signals is more of a joke than stalin's were in 1938.

mircea_popescu: now the part where the financial markets afford a once-in-a-century opportunity to rebuild is sound ; but the part where jacked up "iron works and shipyards" are the answer is ridiculous.

mircea_popescu: the point where the murdoch clan is going to probably try and reconstruct "conservative" fox into a "centrist" bullshit built around that mispelled megan kelly harlot (really, ambitious news anchor who lied about the network boss "sexually harassing" her to try and take his place, what a fine clinton!)

mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/SG5uV << this is actuallty a pretty decent read (by virtue of the anodyne jew "authoring" the piece out of mostly verbatim bannon material)

asciilifeform: and i always liked to imagine that a pl/i programmer dies like the proverbial talmudist dies, when a volume of the megalithic encyclopaedia of crapolade finally falls on his head from the top shelf

mircea_popescu: the thing everyone-but-us fails to comprehend is that the ~only way in which a relatively simple functional system becomes the de facto standard is through a lofty body of pretense declaring a much more complex and dysfunctional system "the standard".

asciilifeform has a relative who moved to usa in 1980s and made phat wage programming in PL/I for many many years. it is 'featurism' incarnate, like american legal code. and for roughly same reason.

asciilifeform: 4. watch those schmucks over there, they built a working machine. and now nobody needs'em, they dun MATTER. 5. we will not make this mistake

mircea_popescu: or, for that matter, look into why triple-fault switching rather than using the god damned reset signal ended up a programming standard.

asciilifeform: 'Forrester became a critic of growth, a position that earned him few friends.'

Framedragger: "mircea_popescu: bitcoin isn't a protocol, it's a fucking c hairball."

Framedragger: ahaha, 2013: "mircea_popescu: i would never use anything that implements a protocol for any serious purpose anymore."

mircea_popescu: at a time when irc required a lot more competence to use.

mircea_popescu: also from a cultural pov perspective - it was the first one of many things ; including the first im.

mircea_popescu: Framedragger ironically, it didn't smell that bad. smell is a subjective sense.

mircea_popescu: hey, hi5 actually survived a while in foreign markets also.

asciilifeform: in 2003 i bought a massive hp pa-risc box (complete with emp shielding grates, power supply on wheeled rails, etc) and it turned out to have been an old aol 'messenger' server !

mircea_popescu: which is kinda the point - the context must be a) narrow and b) poking you in the eye. the problem with irc, and es-fucking-pecially irc as practiced here is that the context is vast, so vast it makes a circle much further out than the general myopia can perceive.

Framedragger: (e.g. current new post & answer; didn't read in detail: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/5dwk60/how_bad_would_it_have_smelled_in_a_medieval_city/ )

Framedragger: maybe not used to irc. "i can't add a shallow-pun-comment and feel like i contributed. i'm supposed to do.. dialogue, or something."

asciilifeform: it is likely from a http://webchat.freenode.net i left in reddit thread somebody put here the other day.

Framedragger: ^ london. gchq waved a quick "hi"

a111: Logged on 2016-11-19 04:41 mircea_popescu: "no, i found it in a plastic bag in the alley behind the hotel where i used to work."

shinohai: I keep trolling ver but he won't block me! @zooko blocked me with a *single* tweet

BingoBoingo: 14 was a lot of number, 15 still a lot of number, next week still more number

mircea_popescu: "Allocate an array and free the middle third? Sure! Why not? Multiply a character string times a bit string and assign the result to a float decimal? Go ahead! Free a controlled variable procedure parameter and reallocate it before passing it back? Overlay three different types of variable on the same memory location? Anything you say! Write a recursive macro? Well, no, but Real Men use rescan."

a111: Logged on 2016-11-20 03:29 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the difference between eyes and electronic sensors on cars, ofc, is that you know when eyes stop working before it's too late. either way, if trumpenreich is to restore full employment to amerika, abolishing the minimum wage will make a full-time chauffeur affordable to anyone who can also spend $100k on a tesla or equiv.

a111: Logged on 2016-11-20 02:43 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i actually planted a bunch in romania, for the flowers. << Different salvia. Tripping balls salvia has sparse shitty flowers if it flowers.

scriba: Failed to archive. HTTP code: N/A. Exception raised: True

pete_dushenski: my only defense of that likely fraudulent chart is just that a warped measuring stick is at least wrong in a consistent and predictable way. this assumes all sorts of beneficence on the part of bc.i, however.

BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: ViaBTC and antpool are a case of twincest

scriba: Failed to archive. HTTP code: N/A. Exception raised: True

pete_dushenski wonders if anyone else sees potential to be annoyed by scriba's constant interjections vis-a-vis link archival.

scriba: Failed to archive. HTTP code: N/A. Exception raised: True

BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I don't think you understand the proportion represented by "most" in that usuage. We are talking about a mass economically crippled by their various "employable if X" bullshits.

pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: 'most' isn't really an argument now is it. nor was it my point. talking solely about folks buying $100k cars, they're better off sifting through resumes to find a non-retarded driver than shipping their cash to musk et al., what with the rapidly sinking obamanchor tied around their weedy necks.

pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the difference between eyes and electronic sensors on cars, ofc, is that you know when eyes stop working before it's too late. either way, if trumpenreich is to restore full employment to amerika, abolishing the minimum wage will make a full-time chauffeur affordable to anyone who can also spend $100k on a tesla or equiv. ☟︎

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 1st pass metabolism is a bitch. Lungs ftw

trinque: I might be a sick person, but I thought that stuff was great fun.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i actually planted a bunch in romania, for the flowers. << Different salvia. Tripping balls salvia has sparse shitty flowers if it flowers. ☟︎

asciilifeform: there are books even on flying mig. but there are afaik none on flying mig under a non-liftable sea bridge (there is photo of this!). 'cons-free lisp' resembles the latter more than 'sop' operation.

trinque: most of the time gc works fine; I am certainly still a student of the language.

trinque: seems like a reasonable data structure for it

trinque: and dupes are most likely to come from recent messages (say a queue server died before noting that the message was sent)

trinque: my list contained identifiers for things coming at me from a queue, where the queue may shit itself and send dupes, but with a maximum possible age of message that is duped

trinque: please explain to me how a list operation as simple as that in "list processing" language is not right in the middle of the groove of the language

trinque: simplest example I can come up with is that I was consing thing to the front of a list, nil-ing things off the back

trinque: if it's a development instance of something, I send along "swank" which lets me summon a repl out of the thing and fiddle internals.

trinque: mircea_popescu: yep, that's rather nice. save-lisp-and-die saves the memory state of your environment, then runs a specified function when it's awoken.

asciilifeform: bring a 12GB-sized bucket

asciilifeform: ... which one of you nuts wanted a copy of phuctor db ??

trinque: yep, feeds is a separate service that adds entries to a queue

trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1571137 << not allergic to collab at all; in a couple of days, a V genesis shall be forthcoming on a tidy wad of html generating lisp for the WoT pages. ☝︎