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mircea_popescu: the end result of a failure is not indicative of the absence of a plan more than of the poor quality of a present plan tho.
asciilifeform: probably cheaper than what they actually ended up doing (being clobbered for nothing)
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 how'd you know if there was ? plans are usually secret.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and then how much do you pay haliburton to clean up and run the platforms ?
Duffer1: i'm pretty sure they didn't intend to do any better, there was no plan other than 'go there'
mircea_popescu: and that limits how many bioforms you kill.
asciilifeform: surely they still have at least one working neutron bomb in a warehouse somewhere.
mircea_popescu: they simply did not have the ability to do any better.
mircea_popescu: in point of fact they stguck with no such fluff.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're very much mistaken. this is the us army propaganda as to why they failed.
asciilifeform: that's because they stuck with the 'hearts and minds' fluff, instead of 'remove unwanted bioforms and build drill platforms.'
mircea_popescu: baghdad has cost in peace more than it cost in war.
mircea_popescu: i would not invade the us atm even if they paid me.
mircea_popescu: afghanistan showed both points to both "megaempires"
mircea_popescu: the only place where that works is fuckland, and fuckland a) doesn't care and b) is tougher than you and will fuck you.
asciilifeform: invading flotillas, i think, is the remaining scenario
asciilifeform: the nukes rust, yes. the airplanes still work, for the time being.
mircea_popescu: they rely on some very convenient separations that are no longer factual.
asciilifeform: he plays with this in his '5 stages' book.
mircea_popescu: said weapons (if you mean the atomic bomb) are already useless.
asciilifeform: orlov's prediction is that warlordoms will become schelling points again once various energy-hungry weapons systems stop being affordable
mircea_popescu: i think the schelling point actually is warlordoms
asciilifeform: hence his discussions re: how, when they fuck the populace, using some form of lube would be proper and decent.
asciilifeform: orlov is a reluctant, dour sort of 'statist', he sees mega-empires as inevitable, but likewise their collapse.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the direct transfer system has infinite population growth baked right in
asciilifeform: the best you can do is to put up nets and keep them out, like mosquitos
mircea_popescu: if yo uget them rare enough courtier chicks will start adding mole stickers to their cleavage
mircea_popescu: "It may be clear to us that fuffles must be eradicated." < ha! you can't eradicate these any more than you can eradicate moles
asciilifeform: orlov's painfully-repeated point is that systems with infinite growth assumptions baked in are worse than straight theft
mircea_popescu: i mean i guess it's proper in the sense of "proper fucked"
mircea_popescu: but no, he said the converse : unlike a fluffy casino, where they let you play, a proper casino takes your clothes and then makes you put out a show for their porn franchise.
asciilifeform: and then you say to a chum: 'unlike a proper casino, where the house keeps X, they...'
mircea_popescu: obviously the consumer thinks so, clearly visible i nthings such as "bitcoin must be a sort of supermarket payment option to really exist"
asciilifeform: it's more like: you go to a basement casino, and instead of letting you play, they club you over the head and take yer wallet
mircea_popescu: haha, i wouldn't go as far as to say that the litmus for "working economy" is "consumer sector" tbh
mircea_popescu: it's one tyhing to say better
asciilifeform: since ussr never really had a working economy, economic collapse wasn't the apocalyptic disaster it would be in a civilized country.
asciilifeform: orlov's point wasn't that ussr was a paradise, but that it was a more honest sort of open air prison than u.s.
Duffer1: "Ideally, the initial transaction serves as the basis of a permanent arrangement, with the victim roped into an installment plan, which keeps the payments flowing even after the fuffle itself has crumbled into a pile of dust"
asciilifeform: so he might take a while.
mircea_popescu: a ty
asciilifeform: sometimes he answers. wrote to him about stirling engines once
mircea_popescu: well what are those lol
asciilifeform: his firs name dot last name at gmail, i think
mircea_popescu: do you know how to contact the guy ?
mircea_popescu: i must petition to have that phrase struck.
asciilifeform: at some point 'the bezzle' becomes real, the cartoon wolf looks down and finally obeys gravity, goes splat off the cliff. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: so it didhave a casino on the top.
asciilifeform: they sure did. but that was collapse.
mircea_popescu: except the politburo spent from the tontine all the damn time.
asciilifeform: because it was a straight tontine, without a casino in the loop
mircea_popescu: s not less broken. in the russian crisis of the 90s pensioneers bore most of the burden
mircea_popescu: pay 5% all your life, get whatever's there
asciilifeform: he's thinking of the slightly less broken soviet machine
mircea_popescu: this is the von bismarck model of ponzi pensions.
mircea_popescu: no, he says "transfer a percentage of earnings from working-age people directly to retirees"
asciilifeform: (or throw you through the ice, as the case may be)
asciilifeform: in orlov's world, a proper system is where you rely on family to feed you in old age
mircea_popescu: the question is, what sort of a fool contemplates the notion that direct transfer better, let alone proper.
mircea_popescu: look i know how 401k/iras etc work. after all, we wouldn't have our friendly second market without them
asciilifeform: you can't touch it without massive penalty until you're a certain age
asciilifeform: they try to talk you into dropping some pre-tax pay into a 'fund', where it turns into stocks, etc
mircea_popescu: no but the other end. a proper system is bismarck's ponzi ?!
mircea_popescu: is the man insane ?! or am i ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "Unlike proper retirement systems, which transfer a percentage of earnings from working-age people directly to retirees, this fuffled scheme takes these earnings and invests them in some fuffles" << do explain ?!
mircea_popescu: without the attractive widow...
mircea_popescu: in the end, money is an expression of culture. the chase for money in se is not much unlike the making of worthless paintings as a "commercial venture".
mircea_popescu: no three ring binder or company policy can help you there.
mircea_popescu: that part is important. you have to understand your story well enough to be able to contextualize it in different contexts.
benkay: contrast this with people who write jokes once for twitter and are forever doomed to hear "oh yeah i read that on your social whatever" when they want to iterate and improve.
benkay: avoiding social media of all sorts has made me a better conversationalist by giving me the opportunity to tell and retell a story or a pitch, refining it on based on each recipient.
mircea_popescu: it makes me realise that in becoming very able to preserve through application of technology, we are losing the incentive to re-write and recall, which probably explains why we suck.
mircea_popescu: however, i've retold this joke dozens of times, and it seems to have gotten better every time.
mircea_popescu: intellectually, the main reason my blog exists is that i hate repeating myself.
mircea_popescu: and this story made me appreciate a major point.
mircea_popescu: " so as to not agress the public morals"
mircea_popescu: you must be careful however, the lynchpin of this story is
asciilifeform: vomits over the now-empty canvas
mircea_popescu: quoth the distraught brothers "that stupid girl. and what great business we had with that painting"
mircea_popescu: accidentally spills potash all over the painting
mircea_popescu: until one day, a young girl one has hired for the purpose of cleanning the house in between polishing the cock
pizzaman1337: MP's stories always have me on the edge of my seat
mircea_popescu: the painting moves back and forth at ever increasing nominal values among the families, as their capital needs dictate
mircea_popescu: and then in a couple months when he was building a new stable, his brother buys the painting back from him, at yet a heftier premium
mircea_popescu: returning the call, itzhak buys the painting back a few weeks later,
mircea_popescu: the next week, hirsz is beating down itzhak's door. for he must have the painting, it is keeping it up at night that his older brother in the pooer neighbourhood should have the piece of art!
mircea_popescu: itzhak tells him the exorbitant sum he has paid, and some theory about its artistic value.
mircea_popescu: he notes the shitty painting, and asks his brother wherefore.
mircea_popescu: his younger brother hirsz, a respectable moneylender in the slightly larger small neighbourhood of Sucker's Lament visits one day
mircea_popescu: the woman smiles and they part on friendly terms.
mircea_popescu: so as to not agress the public morals, itzhak upon living her house picks up a worthless old smoked over painting, and declares it to be the payment for the debt.
mircea_popescu: one day an attractive young widdow that can't repay her husband's debts agrees to put out, like every other day, except with different girls.
mircea_popescu: Itzhak is a respectable moneylender in the small neighbourhood of Fool's Crossing. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: well let me recount it for the public record anyway.
mircea_popescu: the old jew joke, which is why trilema has been making the point since the naughts.
mircea_popescu: they're into anything that may enable fuffling.
mircea_popescu: this is a better model, they're not so much into socialism per se
mircea_popescu: basically it's the United Fuffles of America
asciilifeform: borrowed -> has to be repaid. in cash, or фуфло. ☟︎
asciilifeform: it is said that the newbie's mistake is always and without exception: playing on borrowed cash.