asciilifeform: describe a model of computation that is 1) usefully complete -- can carry out actual work 2) is substantially non-brittle - i.e. flipping 20% of the bits results in something that is only, say, 20% away from, but still recognizable as the original performer, rather than liquishit
asciilifeform: fwiw cured me of 'this great unsolved problem is merely a small misconception everyone in the field merely happened to suffer from'
asciilifeform: this is reminiscent of the old virulence debate re ebola etc - 'why are there not moar ebolas'
asciilifeform: if you use infected idiots, you're stuck explaining what's to keep'em from reinstalling winblows + patch against whatever door you walked in through.
asciilifeform: this has 0 bearing on physical reality.
asciilifeform: hey who didn't think of 'say virus installed linux' in 1998
asciilifeform: this is an entertaining idea ( though i predict that the typical luser will run ever the moar quicker to the new hdd shop from it ) but was not in mircea_popescu's classical uci spec.
asciilifeform: so 'sane os' magically containing luser's demanded toolset, is also somehow in the mix ??!
asciilifeform: where does uci pool of available cpu cycles come from then
asciilifeform: next thing - he takes it to the corner store and trades in hdd
asciilifeform: user switches on box, sees 'muhahaha all my cycles belong to mircea_popescu OS installed!'
asciilifeform: any and all of which look for other processes and occasionally snapshot to send back to $mothership - 'perhaps interesting', 'perhaps contains keys'
asciilifeform: winblows box, containing potentially 900 other pieces of shitware
asciilifeform: let's take the typical bot, of which existing nets ( of infected nodes, rather than 'voluntary' p2p ) are made
asciilifeform: this doesn't magically become a description of a working scheme, by mircea_popescu stating so
asciilifeform: bot node, generally, has nothing like an actual rng.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is not distinguishable. but he can make a key and build identity
asciilifeform: i do not know of a solution to this presently
asciilifeform: and cannot operate by 'nothing to allcomers'
asciilifeform: and so you cannot have 'communicate only with knowns' in botnet
asciilifeform: which is that new infections are not physically distinguishable from sybils
asciilifeform: there is a separate problem pertaining to uci, that does not reduce strictly to 'nat problem'
asciilifeform: and ergo net would have to be deployed in massive burst, whereby yesterday there were 0 S, but today 9000.☟︎
asciilifeform: this may very well be fundamental limit.
asciilifeform: my objection is that the star topology does not go away by virtue of being called something else. you have a class of fully-capable nodes, S, that can accept unsolicited pipes; and a much larger class of P ( lessay, peons ), behind NAT, who cannot. ergo stars.
asciilifeform: i'll point out that i do not know of a different recipe than mircea_popescu's ( and in fact is same used by 'skype' and various heathens , for many years. )
asciilifeform: sorta as british admiral answered 'boil the ocean' to 'is there a solution to uboat'
asciilifeform: it's the 'insect' solution, gotta mention it for completeness.
asciilifeform: depends what you're doing, neh. if you're a cicada looking for a fuck -- worx
