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mircea_popescu: if i ever go to the ces my booth babes will be topless
mircea_popescu: it will never cease, this, will it ?
ozbot: Booth Babes Don’t Work | TechCrunch
pankkake: eheh, QR codes before their time… but that device must have been very bulky
mircea_popescu: that's a nice tidbit.
mircea_popescu: " CueCats were also bulk mailed (unsolicited) to certain mailing lists, such as subscribers of technology magazines Forbes and Wired."
pankkake: I used to think it was to prevent people from escaping VAT
pankkake: in France we have "Abus de bien social" - I didn't find any translation for this (at least legal terms)
mircea_popescu: pankkake: I'd just buy myself things "for the company" << Well Mr. Ipswitch since everyone of my expenses are obviously for a legitimate business purpose. ( Elaine turns on water pic to water plants.)
mircea_popescu: there are some trilkema articles but they be in romanian as this is pre-change
mircea_popescu: it's possible there's some stuff in the early posts of mpoe-pr
pankkake: if you have to wait for confirmations to cancel orders
pankkake: "if you review the early history of btc scams, 2011s, you'll see most corps turned scams once the "ceo" confronted the problem of "we have cashflow. what to do with that cash ?"."
pankkake: mircea_popescu: did you write anything on the subject of the log.b-a link? I bookmarket it, but an actual article would be nice
Duffer1: although the information would be valuable either way i suppose
Duffer1: it would be nice if the first colored coin experiment company wasn't a scam
pankkake: it's much easier for an exchange than for a business to escape the law anyway
pankkake: Duffer1: the colored coin thing is weird, yes… as if the risk was in the exchange
pankkake: well, except in the dot com bubble actually
pankkake: when in fiat land "CEOs" of startup don't pay themselves for years
pankkake: yeah, those are usually not disclosed
Apocalyptic: cause you know CEO's got to be paid
pankkake: I'd just buy myself things "for the company"
pankkake: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2014#445473 <= that thing made me realize that even if the shit I still have on havelock works, most of the profits won't end up in my pocket ☝︎
Duffer1: they're voting on whether or not to move shares to colored coins
mircea_popescu: pankkake same old story, the same derpage from new derps. the derps last three months on average, but their derpage is immortal.
mircea_popescu: Duffer1> because all the bad luck was used up on labcoin, actm will be a huge success <<< bwahahaha
Duffer1: i don't know why i even read that thread, it's just as stressful to me as the labcoin nonsense and i don't even own any actm
pankkake: so the message is "if you ask questions it will be worse"
pankkake: actually, the lack of communication is now blamed on people who supposedly contacted easic
pankkake: but after figuring out they have been lied to… nothing
pankkake: not losing 100% would be a success at that point :p
Duffer1: i don't see how actm can be successful even if they turn out to be legit
pankkake: to be successful they'd have to ask for things like clear financials. right now they're just encouraging more scam
Duffer1: i hope they're successful though, i know guys that lost only 50% of their assets in labcoin because the other 50% was in actm >.<
pankkake: lol, never thought of that
Duffer1: because all the bad luck was used up on labcoin, actm will be a huge success
Duffer1: it's almost the gambler falacy in that thread
pankkake: she tried to talk in the activemining thread, I'm afraid those guys are too far gone
dub: make the gril watch it and your jimothy conversion rates will blow up
mircea_popescu: can i have fries with that ?
ozbot: Selling is Service, Service is Selling - A Musical Training Video (Original) - YouTube
mircea_popescu: you had a video the other day ?
dub: he watched my video from the other day
unclehowell: You guys really know about the free internet initiatives. Awesome speaking to you all. Where they all failed we hope to succeed with http://wavetele.com
asciilifeform: phun phact: the smithsonian museum has a 'lemelson gallery of invention hall of fame'
unclehowell: Wave is my tech startup. So what do you guys think? Will we ever have free internet access. My only competitor seems to be Zuckerberg himself with http://internet.org/
dub: we had free dialup back in the dark ages of network termination rates
asciilifeform: the grandfather of them all.
asciilifeform: lemelson is the original patent troll
mircea_popescu: someone patented straight lines in that fuckfest of insanity over there.
mircea_popescu: "The bars are tilted 22.5° to the left, both for stylistic reasons and to avoid Lemelson parallel barcode patent concerns."
unclehowell: I worked Maplins. Then Cyber Security in the MOD. I love tech.
pankkake: yes… minitel is the thing to blame for the lack of good internet access at the time
asciilifeform: 'it isn't yours, we gave it to you strictly in the opening to be raped in'
Duffer1: used to work at radioshack when they phased em out
asciilifeform: clever fellow figured out how to use cuecat as a generic scanner, the bastards sued
Duffer1: i have like a dozen of those cats
mircea_popescu: pankkake wait, you're from the magical land of the minitel aren't you
pankkake: unless it was those free things, our you found other, dirty ways to get it for free
mircea_popescu: i was keeping this as my personal private chuckle re all the ninnies with the qr codes that revolutionise w/e the fuck
unclehowell: Cheers mircea_popescu, I hear you. Yeh, I'm new to this
pankkake: mircea_popescu: no, we eventually had dialup that did not have a cost for the dialer; but of course you had to pay the ISP you dialed to
ozbot: CueCat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: unclehowell as far as anyone knows, you're some guy that started talking the moment he joined and what he had to say was some sales angle. this is exactly how to end up on the ignore list of half the chan within five minutes, and on the mocklist of half the rest.
asciilifeform: anyone remember the 'cuecat' ?
mircea_popescu: pankkake what, the bbss ?! those weren't free, foo. urmom was payin' for it.
pankkake: there were also the things that paid you to browse
unclehowell: I heard they used to do ads-for-access with dial up.
unclehowell: Turdware. Not heard that before. Nice!
pankkake: I remember when I was using dialup and farming those free internets
Apocalyptic: now asciilifeform that's some interesting facts
asciilifeform: unclehowell: the '90s called, want their turdware back.
unclehowell: Do you guys like the demo? http://wavetele.com
asciilifeform: as for the political component, zimmerman already fucked the public goat with the closed-source 'silent circle'
asciilifeform: 2) could you, given what the creator of the device has made public, re-create it?
mircea_popescu: dja understand by this reading the average fridge is a honeypot ?
asciilifeform: that is, can a motivated person with an undergrad-level education actually understand the design in its totality?
mircea_popescu: this works sort-of well, until you end up with things like... i dunno, every show on tv being a honeypot by this approach, as well as every newspaper and most of everything else, cause they damn sure don't work for the advertised/intended purposes.
asciilifeform: 1) what's it made of? how conceptually 'heavy' is the device?
asciilifeform: even without any understanding of the politics, you can derive the answer:
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: intro to sane cryptographic principles: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1299
unclehowell: Here's the interactive demo http://wavetele.com
pankkake: mircea_popescu: the issue is that belief is present among "the good guys"
unclehowell: Hey everyone. I wanted to introduce my tech startup. It's called Wave. We're planning to make internet access free using a new generation of ads-for-access. The best part is, we're doing our entire Series A investment round with Bitcoin: http://wavetele.com/layout/Pages/shares-area/beneficiaries.html ☟︎
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: sometimes, the answer is not printed in the back of the schoolbook. and you have to actually understand the problem and use your head.
Apocalyptic: to the fact it will likely be a honeypot
mircea_popescu: this "making things easy" bs is just another name for "painting yourself out of the picture"
mircea_popescu: pankkake it's deeper than that, too. us people wanted a system that'd work without their input. thirty years later... they have it.
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, do you have any ref related to this ?
asciilifeform: it all starts to make sense once you understand that selling people rope with which to hang is the actual objective.
Apocalyptic: secure and easy don't go well together
pankkake: you have to understand it or you will get burned
pankkake: what bothers me the most is the common belief that you only need to make crypto "easy"
asciilifeform: (discrediting 'counter-nsa' tech as crackpottery, for instance.)
asciilifeform: some of the unstated goals can be achieved without selling a single unit, however.
pankkake: I don't really care about the intentions behind it, but it cannot achieve its stated goal
asciilifeform: pankkake: you still think 'blackphone' is an honest/inept product, don't you.
pankkake: I don't understand why they would go for Android either
asciilifeform: if snowden is a 'hangout', getting people to buy this crap is clearly the objective of the hangout.