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BTC-Mining: There's a reason the english language has words such
as "could, might, guess, believe, think, etc."
BTC-Mining: Well the thing is, by formulating it
as a fact, one could believe theymos actually saw that funds were being moved away from the reserve.
BTC-Mining: Not simply state X. It confuses people
as having been witnessed by the claimer.
BTC-Mining: No... in my book you write them
as "I think/believe/would guess that X because Y"
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining things presented
as fact but w/o acompanying documentation should be read
as opinions.
BTC-Mining: It should have been stated
as such that it was an opinion/guess and why
BTC-Mining: Yes, but he hasn't stolen anything... the first claim by theymos was stating it
as a fact, when he was just speculating.
BTC-Mining: That's exactly the kind of things I was talking about when people state their opinion/speculation
as facts...
B0g4r7: Sure, companies could do it just
as individuals could.
BTC-Mining: I doubt governments could be
as efficient however.
B0g4r7: or,
as ppl have been saying a lot, on tor.
mircea_popescu: i'd say that with the dissapearance of glbse, "ASICMINER"
as referenced is no longer trading.
BTC-Mining: Although since it's
as reported
as GLBSE or pay nothing then I guess we're all set for that.
mircea_popescu: ious
as reported by GLBSE, except should there be no trades during the previous
pigeons:
As of today the earliest estimated time that coins can begin moving is Friday, Oct 12th.
mircea_popescu: "We will do everything in our power to make the process of moving off GLBSE
as smooth
as possible"
mircea_popescu: so a combo of tor + whatever public libraries you have around should pretty much make you
as anon
as practically useful.
smickles: Ukto: good to hear, especially on such a day
as today
BTC-Mining: Mistake #4: Showing his face publicly
as GLBSE CEO at Bitcoin Conference for the whole Internet to watch.
BTC-Mining: Well Atlas,
as long
as we can get asset holders lists, at least not everything would be lost.
BTC-Mining: [22:45] <BTC-Mining> Ok, I'll make a guess at what Nefario's announcement will be: "Ok, so yeah, I'll give a code list for every asset, hmm... It was kind of boring me, hmm... also won't listen to other GLBSE owners
as they technically don't officially own anything since GLBSE was not registered anywhere and hmm... yeah, they can have this old code I guess. So I'm kind of just going to
smickles: so far
as I know, you must assume that this world is real
BTC-Mining: People were angry she invented fact/misquoted them/passed rumors
as facts. Not her actual claims.
mircea_popescu: so now i can't update my nefario rating cause i don't want to lose my position
as first to have negged him.
boonies4u: nefario sure is comiong off
as pathetic
Azelphur: B0g4r7 but
as I keep saying, I don't think there is any 'ratting out' going on here, we havn't committed any crimes
BTC-Mining: Well for one, showing himself for the world to see
as the manager of GLBSE during the bitcoin conference...
B0g4r7: Yes, I'm gonna wait for word straight from the horse's mouth,
as it were.
smickles: so, what's this community think of 'snitches',
as nef is likely one
copumpkin: mircea_popescu:
as an MPOE shareholder, I demand that you bring back the unicorn
pigeons: ok
as long
as -pr has no access to the site
BTC-Mining: Even if he did such a thing
as reissuing, GIGA.ETF would hold no value
BTC-Mining: Eh, me neither, but apparently, not
as much
as a lack of rule than those rules not being enforced.
BTC-Mining: At least it doesn't seem like Nefario wanted to approve some issuers
as trustable and others
as not trustable. He didn't want that responsibility I think.
dub: mircea_popescu: yeah,
as Iwas saying, issuers should be shitting brix
rg: might
as well pay google
rg: (
as if its not obvious enough)
BTC-Mining: Well technically, the whole amount is still growing with donations and offered
as a bounty.
BTC-Mining: Yeah, it's just one of many speculative idea brought forth, not a fact. That's the problem with the forum. Speculations/hearsay are distorted/presented
as facts.
BTC-Mining: I'll assume the shop owner might be sick, or suddenly died,
as there's no notice he's closing shop.
BTC-Mining: I'll at least wait to see the situation concretize itself before claiming anything
as a fact.
Eisenhower34: so you know from some secret source that GLBSE BTC are really gone?
as you say its a fact now
mircea_popescu: has fuckall to do with registering
as a financial services provider.
Ukto: unless someone can cite a regonized government, recognizing bitcoin
as a currency, it is a commodity, nothing more.
smickles: i mean't it
as licking my lips
jcpham: real people aren't
as privileged
as you
smickles: mircea_popescu: not all of us live
as well
as you :p
BTC-Mining: Eh, not sure I would have the time. But at least if you found someone who would constructively argue instead of accusing by association. See, I don't go attacking you personally for what MPOE-PR do, I come to you and argue about why it seems like she's doing a bad job for MPEx and why I think you should held her accountable for what she do when acting
as MPEx's public face.
Ukto: i did hear a rumor about SEC. but that doesnt seem plausable,
as no actual us$ was involved, and it was in the UK
BTC-Mining: I mean, she could start the same accusations without passing things
as facts and quoting instead and arguing why it looks shady and why she believes it's highly likely to be a scam or anything.
BTC-Mining: But really, the point is not there about if it ends up being true, it's that announcing things
as facts before it happens seems to really hurt public opinion of MPEx.
BTC-Mining: excuse passing things
as facts which are not.
BTC-Mining: Aye, people are not complaining about if she has a good guess ratio. They complain about the fact she pass up unverified information
as facts to push her guesses before the actual facts happen. It's like someone saying everytime "I saw that person murder someone" when it never happened and she just had a hunch about it and in her defense, claim to be right 90% of the time. Doesn't really
BTC-Mining: mircea_popescu,
as far
as I'm aware, no, but neither was the fact Usagi somehow had any say about assets listing or not.
BTC-Mining: III.b. In spite of III.a. Nefario declared Usagi
as the head of the ad-hoc commission that was to review GLBSE assets for inclusion in blue/white categories.
BTC-Mining: III.a. Starting at least
as early
as September 10 the assets controlled by Usagi (CPA, NYAN.x, BMF) were being scrutinized publicly on this forum for gross negligence possibly amounting to fraud on the part of the asset holder, in the same manner and to an extent equal or greater to that of I.a. above.
BTC-Mining: When the shareholders decided by a motion to keep Diablo-D3
as a manager. Also.
copumpkin: smickles: make sure the SEC sees the whole thing,
as it contains crucial evidence for the case
dub:
as if usagi even exists
copumpkin: but vanguard dropped them
as the benchmark for their funds
Diablo-D3: they have refused to treat their investors
AS investors, and keep claiming they're preorder customers
Azelphur: that cheers me up anyway
as I have 3 singles on preorder
Diablo-D3: you cant even say its failed
as a business
boonies4u: mircea_popescu: I never seen it
as a business
boonies4u: mircea_popescu: facebook
as an ipo might have failed
mircea_popescu:
as reprentance said, too many people think that busienss = domain + css.
BTC-Mining: Also,
as long
as it has your gpg seal on it, any domain is trustworthy
boonies4u: it means you won't scam
as many citizens
smickles: asa1024: i'd prefer to have
as little interaction with the sec
as possible, bjs included
boonies4u: noagendamarket: not
as expensive to launch a rocket to get people to repair it
boonies4u: they only have one port, and they shut it down
as soon
as someone sneezes
drekk: RogueAI, true. police measurements during demonstrations have become pretty strong (but better documentated by smartphones
as well)
boonies4u: I don't want bitcoin to become centralized or regulated, but I also don't want it to be labeled
as a tool to be used against the state
boonies4u: putting up articles like that is what will get us declared
as terrorists
RogueAI: The network is pretty safe
as long
as the majority don't adopt a code release with centralizing features
RogueAI: then took the site down with this
as the lead sentence on the parked page "For those worried about their bitcoin, please calm yourselves there has been no hack and your coins are safe and all accounted for."
RogueAI: with the signed document
as source
drekk: might be, i don't think the amount of trolls in a thread is a good indicator, tho. especially with usagi it looks to me
as if personal/emotional reason were involved
BTC-Mining: Lack of communication? I've seen tons of deposit takers dismissing legit questions
as trolls and critics
as trolls. Even completly valid points. If they were trolls, well they succeeded, you couldn't even counter-argue.
drekk: Smoovious, well... so did you presenting the "moving servers" theory
as a fact :P
BTC-Mining:
As far
as I know, nefario already has a place to live.
BTC-Mining: Not a coincidence. Just someone also in the UK trying to pass
as nefario. Or he just forgot to obfuscate that before coming here to see how people were going.
BTC-Mining: Just coming from the same ISP
as Nefario
PeanutPower: i bet they wouldn't recognise it
as a real entity
BTC-Mining: The exchange is fine
as far
as I'm concerned.