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mircea_popescu: let's play
a little with numbers since we're reading this guy. so : " Silicon Valley Rapid Transit Project (SVRT)
a $5 billion design-build project for
a 16-mile extension of the Bay Area Rapid Transit District (BART) with six stations" (from
http://www.niquette.com/paul/access/resume.html ). now then : total track in world is ~2 1/4 mn km. using "global warming" "scientific" best practices, we conclude that
a 1 billiard inve
mircea_popescu: this guy. calling 'software engineering' 'computer science' is tantamount to calling 'mechanical engineering' 'automobile science.' and the 'debugger,' is
a misnomer tantamount to calling
a 'magnifying glass' an 'insecticide.'
BingoBoingo: But with captcha "major" pool gets to scam
a couple adcents
mircea_popescu: their idea i mean. "allow humans who give
a shit to signal this to the network ; and allow their txn go first"
mircea_popescu: This is
a Bad Thing." << this is both exactly correct and exactly inescapable. we will at some point have to do something about it.
mircea_popescu: btw since
http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545 was mentioned again, it must be said : "Not only are there times when one would like to seal
a payload with
a caveat of one kind or another, but presently we have no means of conveying disapproval – other than by refraining from sealing. The latter act conveys very little useful information, and no permanent sealed record remains of the effort taken to actually understand the patch.
shinohai: To quote mircea_popescu " the irc festivities are moving over to #trilema ; with
a more selective lordship list and improved tools all around. " I think the improved tools have indeed materialized.
mircea_popescu: kinda gives
a useful estimation of the total value of the whole rest of the ecosystem, i guess.
mircea_popescu: but i lolled at the dry "
a very long depreciation schedule, possibly inexcess of five years".
a111: Logged on 2016-12-03 04:35 mod6: you are backing us away from "number of seconds from 'midnight' of rsacalypse" one step at
a time. first lamport, then FUCKGOATS, each step helps.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : supermax prison in colorado holds among the child eaters &c
a 70yo gent who for some reason plead guilty to "being
a cuban agent for 30 years", two years after retiring from his job and three years after saying that the us-uk "special relationship" is
a joke on the us side.
mod6: you are backing us away from "number of seconds from 'midnight' of rsacalypse" one step at
a time. first lamport, then FUCKGOATS, each step helps.
☟︎ mod6: ah, shit. i guess i agree. maybe I should have put
a line in the top of that thing.
mircea_popescu: you know it's not
a bad idea ot have recitals for these things.
mod6: and we've seen how close the rsacalypse. i feel like we were right there
a few months back.
mod6: I like what it does, and it seems to make sense in the case where I might need this one single time. To prevent against cryptographic death, I can generate this key pair, sign it with my PGP key, and then send
a one time message of my new PGP key fp to save me from hitting the ground.
mod6: i beleive that mentally, when you read
a rating, you grok this text on some level, which invokes some type of response. i can be ignored, sure, but it happened never the less.
mod6: i agree, but it tends to happen. that still doesn't take away that my rating is ~not~
a guarantee of anything.
mircea_popescu: yeah, there's gonna be
a bit of overlap/restating agreement as i go through the whole pile. sorry bout the department of redundancy department.
mod6: Yah, and then should I need it, I can use the lamport priv key to send
a message "hey, it's mod6. my new pgpkey fp is: ABCDEF1234567890..."
mod6: So, changing subjects for
a minute... I have these lamport battle-ready pub/priv keys made.
mircea_popescu: if you stop showing up, and some other dude for some reason ends up with your nick, such as through asking freenode for it say, he won't be able to voice himself - which encourages him to get
a "fresh" nick.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 21:31 trinque: something else comes to mind; there exists in our logs
a person named trinque who is not the present trinque
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576781 << actually, it IS the present trinque, and must be. in order to voice itself, the guy named trinque must talk to deedbot, and reply with the right challenge. so yes we forced the shitty freenode name system into
a very strong thing.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 21:01 asciilifeform: phf: in my cosmography,
a 'rater' is
a pubkey
mod6: I agree there too. When you sign
a vpatch, you're saying, "I, have read (or wrote) this, and I place my seal upon it as it is correct and right." Not, "mod6 wrote this thing, I rate him
a '+1 Cool Guy' for effort."
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576727 << no, actually it isn't. the signed V element is actually
a deed ; it gets maintained by an alternative mechanism than the deeds because we're still working with all this shit and trying to figure it out. but fundamentally, it is
a deed not
a rating.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: yes, he had
a high rating consisting of 500 idiots going "he doubled my moneyz!!!"
mircea_popescu: there's the case of aethero, perhaps the best illustration of this. guy had
a top 10 rating by any abstract measurement, lots of ratings from many people.
mod6: it's even happened to me. i rated
a guy with positive rating, he didn't scam me at all. but he apparently scammed some other people.
mod6: i get trinque's worry; that he'll wake up and find his wallet emptied out; and he wants
a pill against that. the preposed solution is fine for that. but signed ratings is not the answer imho.
mircea_popescu: and ironically i can give
a negative evaluation in spite of my positive rating - other lady friend asks me about having kids with the guy - i'll tell her about daugther ; and if the daughter's not
a total futz, if her drinking friend asks about dad he'll get
a + notwithstanding he's an asshole. or maybe won't, depending on how much of an asshole he is generally. but there's the ambiguity.
mircea_popescu: the wot isn't
a computable graph. i mean it's drawable, obviously, and the drawing's not futile, but just because the machine can draw it dun mean the machine grasps it.
mircea_popescu: mod6 not only that, but there's
a lot of flexibility required in actual human intercourse. "x is
a great drunk and
a miserable father, so has - from daughter and + from me. i'm friends with the daughter and we fuck occasionally. problem ?"
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 20:57 trinque: if my dead grandfather hated someone, I would most certainly care about that given that he was
a man I respected.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> and herein included - all my ratings. you can not at some point come and say "X scammed me of
a btc and you had him rated +1 therefore you owe me some cents" << while reading, this is what I was thinking too. We've seen many times where someone reputable has
a positive rating for X, and then later X scams out. These ratings can't act as
a guarantee; which would place the rater in some leg
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576690 << too many ifs ; and for that matter the problem of "what to do with the intestate" is unsolvable in the general sense. the best approach is for the man to write
a fucking testament already. there's deedbot for this purpose, it is wrong to you know, have an ethereum-powered mechanism to decide FOR gauss what of the coffin liners should be rescued.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-18 12:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since we're on this btw, the way i want tmsr-rsa key generation to work is as follows :
a contains
a number of entropy bytes specified by user in tmsr-rsa.conf read whenever tmsr-rsa.conf specifies (such as urandom); b contains
a base-tmsr string specified by user. c = base-tmsr(
a).b ; p = nextprime(cut(sha512(c),257)) ; process is repeated for q = nextprime (cut(sha512(c'),258));
mircea_popescu: basically this will include
a (hopefully improved) rsa implementation as part of the client. the details still very much in air.
mircea_popescu: you will have to have ~
a~ key online as
a matter of course for the client to connect ; but it doesn't have to be THE key in any sense.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 20:35 danielpbarron: i mean i'm not gonna put my key on
a networked machine
phf: i checked b-
a log because somebody mentioned activity,
a few weeks ago and it's literally the same conversation. i remember he tried directly intervening, "warning" cockli guy i think, and cockli's reaction was "you seem like
a crazy dude with an agenda", but i guess
a strategy of "mpex is long gong and nobody heard from mp" probably works better
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scriba: Logged on 2016-12-03: [01:54:50] <phf> ACTION 0
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phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-28#1549612 << so normal action is ^AACTION ... ^
A, turns that when the line is too long it gets cut off (which is normal behavior) but in case of action none of client seem to do the regular split, meanwhile the irc server cutsoff terminating ^
A, which breaks most parsers (including mine)
☝︎☟︎ BingoBoingo: From the local police blotter: "Five juveniles,
a 9-year-old boy,
a 10-year-old boy, two 11-year-old boys, and
a 10-year-old girl, all of Highland, were charged with destroying property for allegedly breaking light bulbs on Christmas displays belonging to the city"
a111: Logged on 2014-03-19 19:04 asciilifeform: and, finally, his moment arrived! von Kármán surrendered his orange ticket, took
a deep breath, and said, "God, explain turbulence." Theodore von Kármán spent the rest of eternity burning in Hell.'
phf: (it's
a comment about lack of pre-kako logs in btcbase perhaps)
mircea_popescu: ie, it's fully
a liberal profession. (in some readings,
a liberal profession is one where the sufficiently skilled practitioner eventually meets god.)
mircea_popescu: something like that. it's
a little complicated, because there is some transcendence even in trade.
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform the ratings of dead people are meaningless in the marketplace ; and only interesting to the inept historian. << i have
a hard time agreeing with this; even should death prevent
a rating reflective of the current state of things,
a past rating from
a ghost could still be "meaningful" in its distance from w/e the current status -is-, no?
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576558 << well as it turns out, ratings are
a lot closer to sexual intercourse than previously realised ; but in any sense what i meant was the point of reference (ie, i will fuck this curvaceous lady as the body presents itself and do business with fa9fblabla, which are the two presentations of the supposed same but otherwise uncapturable spirit). i didn't mean business BY the keys when i s
☝︎ trinque: asciilifeform: if one wanted to make
a statement for all time about
a key, there's always
a deed.
mircea_popescu: "this account is authorised to draft up to 3 times sums up to 1 btc through direct command" and have people send you
a signed thing to bump it.
mircea_popescu: trinque you can even have
a system of "orders over X value or nth in
a day have to be clearsigned" and have the user set X and n ?
trinque: perhaps
a man can sign his own wot time to time
mircea_popescu: i don't have
a very strong opinion on the signing of payment orders. i suppose it's
a tradeoff of convenience vs corectness.
mircea_popescu: whether he did or didn't or did
a bum job of it or anything isn't even at issue - the oppositive quality of facts distingushes them from mere meaning just like the thumb stands out on the hand.
mircea_popescu: and re the facts/fiction discussion :
a very good rule of thumb to distinguish fact from fiction is right here - can it be opposed to anyone ? for instance, trump's election is
a fact, and here it is
a fact because i have opposed it to alf to force him to reconsider his political evaluator.
mircea_popescu: there's two reasons one does not wish to be cavallier with signed matter. one is purely technological, as discussed briefly above, but the more important one is ecology of the republic of the mind. you wish to make THE STRICT MINIMUM of signed statements you can get by with AND NOT
A SINGLE MORE.
mircea_popescu: and herein included - all my ratings. you can not at some point come and say "X scammed me of
a btc and you had him rated +1 therefore you owe me some cents"
mircea_popescu: anyway. merchant law, which incidentally i advise all curious minds to review, not only long predates civil law or the british mandaciousa attempts to enact
a systematized "common law" as older than it was - but actually informed all legal work of the states. they basically stole the merchant's code much like the french stole the templar's wealth.
mircea_popescu: well see part of the problem is merchant law. so : there's two kinds of writs, one of which can be opposed to the author, which is to say if he later makes
a claim, anyone with standing (like the guy he's making the claim against) can oppose the writ.
mircea_popescu: and there's
a damned good reason you don't, nor is it
a service you offer : the difficulty of "looking at the data, establish its validity" exceeds building the ai.
mircea_popescu: all i want to know from you if such
a situation is discovered is if you did it or not.
mircea_popescu: if you construct the signing infrastructure, there's
a river with
a railway bridge. however, segments may be missing ; and this can't be known.
mircea_popescu: trinque the problem here is like so : if you don't sign the stuff, you have
a river, which will have to be forded. people wanting to get across know what they're doing - fording
a river.
mircea_popescu: which is how there exist these washpo that is
a reputable source, qntra that is
a spamsite etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform enemy already does this ; so does your gf. everyone you come into contact with is fabricating
a fictional you from the whole cloth of their head.
trinque: doesn't mean
A is still in effect