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trinque: asciilifeform: suppose vectored sigs exist, and having provided a weasel route through V, nobody ever actually swears to an item in full.

asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2016/a-collection-of-distinctions/#comment-120002 << mega-thread continued

mircea_popescu: anyway, you should prolly go through your inventory and hold a garage sale / auction. prices changed a lot since a year ago

jurov had once amassed almost-significant amount of eulora stuff ... in a claim that vanished :D

mircea_popescu: anyway. any tool bps or stuff ? many things went up a lot.

phf: ben_vulpes: if you were to use bind everywhere you can use it (e.g. as a replacement for let, destructuring-bind) your code is going to look sufficiently different that it's not clear if you're even programming in common lisp at that point. makes the result less readable for other cl programmers, and code becomes harder to future proof. the tradeoff is generally seen as not worth it (too intrusive for little payoff)

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-06#1578252 << the two are different beasts. alexandria by design is a set of helper functions that wouldn't be out of place in the standard (complete with sometimes obtuse names!), some like with-gensyms doplist flatten iota if/when-let i've seen reimplemented all over the place. bind is more of a everything and kitchen sink replacement for builtin operators ☝︎

mircea_popescu: aanyway. the moral broadly speaking is that there's a windows-niggers-and-other-idiots python ("windows-niggers-and-other-idiots" which is how you decode "3" in unicode) and a normal people python which finally became stable cca 2010 and thanks god.

mircea_popescu: in other lulz, "Unicode on UNIX is only madness if you force it on everything. But that's not how Unicode on UNIX works. UNIX does not have a distinction between unicode and byte APIs. They are one and the same which makes them easy to deal with." (from thing guy linked, http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-is-probably-never-going-to-support-python-3/#comment-119991 ).

mircea_popescu: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/base-files << there's even a convenient listing.

phf: Framedragger: fwiw the logs have properly reffed the original link, no need for a second one

asciilifeform: there was a thread re 'do-ocracy', a name one of the perpetrators gave to this practice

asciilifeform: Framedragger: the way hannoboecks work is that they will pick a trivial but 'glamorous' problem to 'solve' and score 'cred' with rubes thereby

mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess all this gives a very interesting answer to the "how does tmsr gpd compare to fiat states gdp". apparently they produce 2 gpgrams/year/capita, and consist of what, 1k of the herbivores ? meanwhile ben_vulpes 's thing deals in what, dozens/day ?

mircea_popescu: notice how he glued himself to heartbleed (which, unlike the normal hanno bockian crap, was a surprise to the empire).

mircea_popescu: just go make a littoral self-rape ship, this software/internet stuff is a waste of your talents, folks.

mircea_popescu: schmucks really came a long way from the 80s. srsly, consumer-mentality based fud "oh noes, i worry about my key! government should come and give me certainties! putin influenced elections! guns kill people!"

deedbot hands you a broomstick.

mircea_popescu: "I never ever ever successfully used the WoT to validate a public key." ie what we do here multiple times a day ? ☟︎

mircea_popescu: random schmucko bum-student dun have a business ; or any business here.

mircea_popescu: why does he figure himself as a "perfect user" i have nfi - before a business comms system works for you, YOU GOTTA HAVE A BUSINESS.

mircea_popescu: whatever, he gets at least 2 encrypted mails a year i get about two dozen an hour.

a111: Logged on 2016-10-11 20:26 mircea_popescu: no, i'm implying that nobody in plato's cave knows how badly the cave sucks until someone comes in riding a pegassus

BingoBoingo tried a couple drafts on the fake news about pedo pizza being "attacked" and decided not to spread unconfirmed rumours and innuendos about what smells like a false flag

asciilifeform: kfree(). We then have a use-after-free... '

asciilifeform: '... we can change the packet version to TPACKET_V1 with packet_setsockopt() after init_prb_bdqc() has been executed and before packet_set_ring() has returned. ... When the socket is closed, packet_set_ring() will not delete the timer since the socket version is now TPACKET_V1. The struct timer_list that describes the timer object is located inside the struct packet_sock for the socket itself however and will be freed with a call to

asciilifeform: ^ a bit unusually, appears to have actual attribution of the shitgnomancy

a111: Logged on 2016-12-05 17:57 mircea_popescu: ie, "intellectual property", or a misplaced expectation of control.

trinque: inb4 every deedbot published item is a terrorist hash

asciilifeform: trinque: v was a solution to the 'shared mutable'

asciilifeform: trinque: the computability is for the purpose of a (hypothetical) ~generalized~ v.

trinque: or sign a copy of your whole wot and deed if you prefer, though mp makes it clear that habitually doing so has hazards.

trinque: http://trilema.com/2016/a-collection-of-distinctions/#comment-119998 << awaits approval, but basically "can link a deed in rating's notes field"

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al : http://trilema.com/2016/a-collection-of-distinctions/#comment-119997 << part2.

asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2016/a-collection-of-distinctions/#comment-119996 << mircea_popescu et al.

asciilifeform: in other not-quite-noose, asciilifeform got a small thermovisor as bday gift, and it sorta worx, e.g., http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/thermo_shitter.jpg << shitter tank water clearly visible; http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/thermo_taps.jpg << hot vs cold taps

pete_dushenski: ^ for those a bit behind on their http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1574132 ☝︎

pete_dushenski: so it was an unseasonably balmy 0C here on saturday and now it feels like... -27C with wind and humidity. this is a Good Thing. feels more like xmas time when bundled up, drinking tea by the fire, shoveling walks, or driving slowly through the ice and snow.

pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/vT63P << other other from same : "Microsoft is working on a patch for a bug or feature in Windows 10 that allowed access to the command line and, using a live Linux .ISO, made it possible steal BitLocker keys during OS updates. The command line interface bypasses BitLocker and permits access to local drives simply by tapping the Shift and F10 keys."

shinohai: !~later tell mod6 Start Height a success, will report results with African and further key imports later

asciilifeform: for instance, it demands RDRANDtronic quantities ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577952 ) of rng, and -- if only finds a traditional linux /dev/random, the kind that weeps a few bytes/sec -- complains loudly... ☝︎

asciilifeform: Nominet suspends domains when law enforcement agencies tell it the domains are being used in crime. No court order is required and Nominet rarely refuses a request.'

asciilifeform: 'A buffer overflow occurs in zipinfo (part of the unzip package) when the compression method in the central directory file header is greater then 999'

mircea_popescu: undefensible in its parts, this holds in summary a lot better than anyone'd expect.

mircea_popescu: to insanely stretch comparison : it could be said the sovereign prince of orange was a sort of stalin to dewitt's lenin. yes, both soviets, but not very equal soviets - one somewhat cooler than the other ; and so the brits picked the one which was closest to their capacities and aspirations, which is to say the uncool one ; and similarly the products of the dutch republic split their energy - the shittier ones went to new yor

mircea_popescu: i think it's actually a matter of sexual preference.

mircea_popescu: anyway, when i say "don't have these problems but others" i specifically mean as evident in sexual behaviour (cue that "scandal" when sarkozy took some random woman to random event and the london-based journo-hos had a collective aneurism and kept blathering about how they'll bus supporters over)

mircea_popescu: seems on the balance of things more likely to be fallout from the haphazard "quick, create an ideology to back up this dude's wan to get a new hussy"

mircea_popescu: (but there is also the case of the dutch raid when they literally burned down london - except in a strange case of premonitory japanese misbehaviour, failed to bomb the right thing. this is in the logs.)

asciilifeform: what, dutch slipped on a banana ?

mircea_popescu: once there's a "king", in the english tradition, who can do patently idiotic stuff such as require "bonded warehouses" (look it up) and "control trade" (please, do look it up) then "property" of a sort emerges. by contrast, in dutch world, where no such king and no such layered idiocy thereby, also property. but substantially different property.

mircea_popescu: ie, "intellectual property", or a misplaced expectation of control. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: it's a fucking large problem i'll tell you that.

mircea_popescu has been on a "pricing in tech" mental kick for the past half hour, so i was looking at that angle.

mircea_popescu: yes. but you also get a very different "cost"

mircea_popescu: "the place where you drink" or "the public house" aka "brothel", ie, the place where disorderly (as per anglican/puritan definitions of order) is tolerated, ie, a tolerance house ?

mircea_popescu: so : if you change the convention, your objects become undefined. what's "a processor" ?

mircea_popescu: the removal of drunks doesn't have anything to do whatsoever with "pubs" and also "a drunk" is not the same drunk.

mircea_popescu: in the russian world, where drunks do exist, but the drinking place (which is NOT a pub, even if translated as such because what you gonna do) is supported by a social conventionthat has nothing to do with drunkedness

mircea_popescu: in the english world, where drunks and pubs exist, and the observation re pubs existing because drunks, not because sunday drinkers holds, there are a number of objects defined, such as the fact that a pub is really a public house (which is relevant if for instance you wonder why it should need or want a permit to exist).

mircea_popescu: it really is a null pointer reference.

mircea_popescu: it could be cpu costs a dime or a testicle, the issue of price is ulterior in this discussion, makes about as much sense as "the utilty of the sun"

asciilifeform: re konsoomer, dan mocsny had analogy involving a pub, where the 'normal' folx mock the drunks, without realizing that the pub could not exist in anything like its present form without their open wallets

asciilifeform: i'll point out that konrad zuse built a very acceptable comp out of junk discarded by nazi germany, in mother's kitchen.

mircea_popescu: bears a mention now an' again :[

mircea_popescu: you skipped the good part, which is : "If you are indeed a chip maker, this is when you find out why fabless chip companies are worth so much more than the equally fabless vendors of "IPs" such as CPUs and DRAM controllers.".

asciilifeform: d of a level 2 cache which never actually cached anything, and this fact happily went unnoticed for a few months. '

asciilifeform: 'A chip can have 2 processors with 8-byte buses each, going to a DRAM giving you 16 bytes per cycle, through a shared 8-byte-per-cycle bottleneck. This interconnect is the handiwork of some time-starved dude on the chip maker's team, armed with an interconnect-generating tool. Even such an idiotic issue will manifest on some benchmarks but not others, and might not get caught at design time. And if you think that is stupid, I've hear

asciilifeform: probably the board, or the boot code programming DRAM-related components in a way that doesn't work on this board.'

asciilifeform: '$100 says your DRAM chip works. The DRAM chip is a mindless slave implementing precise commands by the DRAM controller on the master chip, without any feedback - there are no retries, no negotiation, no way to say you're sorry. And no software will run properly on faulty DRAM. Faulty DRAM isn't a marketable product. Your board is definitely buggy. They told you they checked signal integrity, but they lied. If DRAM malfunctions, it's

phf: erc also parses the url incorrectly, but ' is a valid character in url..

asciilifeform: 'do you want a comp or an electric best friend'

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not a matter of "won't run". your gf runs in the bedroom just as well as woman runs in gangbang party.

asciilifeform: 'collectivist' cad that won't run on airgapped box or in martian death capsule, is a lol.

asciilifeform: unless someone coughts up a p==np -- some.

mircea_popescu: i think this is a pretty open question.

asciilifeform: well, once one of us is locked in a room and fully reverses 'eagle', it's solved-solved.

asciilifeform: right now it gets solved to my satisfaction on a modest pc box.

asciilifeform: if i wanted this kind of 'program', i'd buy a cow

mircea_popescu: be that as it may, the conceptual item solves two major open questions here in tmsr forum : a) "why is this proggy 100mb ?!?" "because it has 100mn datapoints in the ai massager, let it be" ; b) "why does this proggy want to call home ?" "because whenever you accept a design and put it in production, all other installations want to review the datapoint, it's valuable."

asciilifeform: INCIDENTALLY afaik the thing ~WAS~ a 'deepblue' scam

mircea_popescu: anyway - certainly a very valid place for any spinoza in attendance to apply his next years.

asciilifeform: classical 'a*' search

mircea_popescu: so you know, "autorouting" is "a small matter" and "a solved problem" except in reality it's exactly something to be solved via "artificial intelligence" as understood today, ie, mega-matrix of mostly 0 parameter running a markov process.

mircea_popescu: because that's a key ingredient of "i just want to" - deciding various arbitrary bits (especially ones the jwz doesn't well understand) are "small matter". which decision then drives poor resource allocation and is the deep reason for the festering morass of unsolved problems that should have been ; while tons of herbivores run around "revolutionizing" things that needn't on the shaky in reality but strong in perception found

mircea_popescu: because it is A LOT of work for something everyone decided is "a small matter" in advance.

asciilifeform: it is meant to be a tool in the hands of a man, is not a man-replacing robotic thing

asciilifeform: iirc it itself was a holding co. and bought the proggy elsewhere.

phf: (cadsoft used to make EAGLE, which is sort of a goto cad tool for people on linux)

asciilifeform: made a proggy called 'eagle cad'

asciilifeform: cadsoft was a tiny german thing

asciilifeform: in fact, we had thread a while back re: how certain industrial equipment is now also 'subscription-only', has satellite dish and gets fresh firmware from mothership each day etc.

asciilifeform: just happened to ship a linux binary, was all.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cadsoft was a 1990s-style traditional software co., nothing open about it

mircea_popescu: (and no - there are no whore exceptions. anyone involved in "open source" etc is a whore.)

asciilifeform: (in case anyone 'missed the memo' : open sores cad is a sad, sad joke. and no, i dun care if this does not sit well with somebody. it is -- a fact.)

asciilifeform: way from selling perpetual rights to use a specific version of software, Autodesk will continually innovate and improve products and supporting services that customers subscribe to, allowing access from multiple devices at any time, making them easier to deploy and manage, and reducing file compatibility issues.' ( http://damassets.autodesk.net/content/dam/autodesk/www/campaigns/mfg-perpetual/end-of-perpetual-customer-faqs.pdf )

asciilifeform: in other lulz, very far away, 'Autodesk will stop the sale of perpetual licences of all its software on January 31st, 2017. The purchase of new licences by both new and existing customers will only be available by subscription after that date. ... Why is Autodesk transitioning to subscription licences? Subscription licences offer customers a lower entry price, greater choice of tools and the ability to pay-as-you-go. With its shift a ☟︎

mircea_popescu: the calorimeter incidentally is a fine illustration / symbol of science altogether.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'engine crackpots' such as they are found today, typically have not even heard of such a thing as calorimeter, because it is not sold in 'home despot'