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mircea_popescu: Framedragger afaik trinque is a great afficionado of the whole "db everything"
Framedragger: i'd actually like to see a coherent and all-in-one-place SQL / RDBMS-as-a-general-model critique some time. maybe it exists. usually it's mongodb hipsters complaining randomly, so i'd developed a (too-)generic "ignore 'em all" filter :p ☟︎
mircea_popescu: can i put in a feature request at this juncture ?
mircea_popescu: "you want access to X data store ? ask Y for a salt ; see api docs here"
trinque: doubtful check hash is going to be a significant proportion of "run query" for a reasonably large query
Framedragger: as long as the 'check hash' operation is quick enough, otherwise DoS magnet (that's a very alf'y comment i guess)
mircea_popescu: then just keep a master table of allowed hashes and their usage.
mircea_popescu: trinque incidentally, auth should be handled via rsa. user passes api two variables : one is a request encrypted to its key ; the other is the request + a server-provided salt hashed.
trinque: emphatically not as "lets translate SQL to whatever a URL is allowed to do"
trinque: it just needs to be written by someone with a brain.
mircea_popescu: sql-to-api thing is actually not half a bad idea. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2015-07-11 02:26 trinque: becoming a features katamari shitshow
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 06:14 davout: asciilifeform: why'd you want simming anyway? go to your local airport and get a couple hours, flying is cheap in the US
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582453 << he makes an excellent point. sign up for a class, you get someone to be there with you who can actually fly the thing, and also get to fuck with the controls. best of both worlds, and it's very much in the $50 for 5 minutes range, just gotta commit to a few hours' worth. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: and speaking of routing, holy shit was the zx board a nightmare.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: clojure folks have a variant of this, "fireplace"
davout: asciilifeform: why'd you want simming anyway? go to your local airport and get a couple hours, flying is cheap in the US ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: i imagine that flight sim for davout would be like if mircea_popescu fucked a hole drilled in an old tree
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Error: "b2" is not a valid command.
davout: i tried a couple of times, which all ended in "wtf is this?!"
davout: if you're using more than a keystroke to move accross whitespace, or don't have auto-indent you're misusing it, but yeah, just curious. not trying to sell anything here
asciilifeform: if stuck on a box on mars with no civilized editors, i'd sooner use 'nano'
asciilifeform: i might like vi more if it weren't also associated in my head with the years i toiled as a sysadmin slave...
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582407 << i tried living in TECO at some point (they way i've done with a bunch of other text editors, like acme) and it was beyond even my patience. it's definitely an emacsism in a sense of "this part makes no sense, but that's how the elders did it, so stfu" ☝︎
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582413 << they don't show it to me on 10.9, possibly because i'm now a heathen beyond redemption ☝︎
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/tiimgreen/github-cheat-sheet#ignore-whitespace << because what i want is a diff program that doesn't show the whole diff
ben_vulpes: ('ooh it's 530 on a weekday and he's at the place where he last consented to upgrade xcode. maybe he's sauced enough to say yes this time!')
asciilifeform: 'A language designed to live in the paper-tape world had to have some major constraints. First, paper tape is slow. Really slow. And punching tape is a miserable process. So you really wanted to keep things as short as possible. So the syntax of TECO is, to put it mildly, absolutely mind-boggling. Every character is a command. And I don't mean "every punctuation character", or "every letter". Every character is a command. Letters, nu
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 15:26 mircea_popescu: inbcidentally asciilifeform as per that discussion of how much it costs to index etc, phuctor is a total google poison.
asciilifeform: i dun need a 500MB process for keeping track of motherfucking windows.
phf: emacs now has concurrency!11 https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2016-12/msg00378.html there aren't many details on what it's going to do but there's at least one review article that's going "wtf" http://www.lunaryorn.com/posts/a-blast-from-the-past-the-tale-of-concurrency-in-emacs.html
phf: (in random luls, since btcbase doesn't track renames for the longest time i thought that we had an actual "oglafbot" running. i saw BingoBoingo post an update a few times and wondered "what happened to oglafbot") ☟︎
asciilifeform: i had a ru plug, left over in bag from trip to ro, and it fit !
asciilifeform: from what i can tell, 'eagle' actually used a similar algo in their (surprisingly good) autoroute.
asciilifeform: it is a concept from molecular dynamics sims
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly and i guess unhelpfully, i'm wondering if once specified as above, you don't also get a router for cheap (through implementing a sort of physics where routes attract each other and are repulsed by things etc)
phf: right, you kind of run into the fact that you have to have a set of CAD primitives underneath :/
phf: a bus is a track (what i called route) that's reused by multiple components , and if track has coordinates for meanders and thickness you're there
asciilifeform: (nobody wants to look at a 128bit bus as motherfucking 128 lines running in parallel!!!)
phf: to make a pcb out of a netlist, at worst case you need w/h of component, x/y placement of component, a list of x/y coords for each route (to indicate turns)? or there's something that i'm missing?
mircea_popescu: <phf> asciilifeform: in the worst case is there more required than a w/h for each defcomponent, x/y for each make-instance component and (list (x y) ...) for eah make-instance route? <
asciilifeform: (think, recall children's game of 'help the mouse find the cheese' ? that's what a shit schematic looks like)
asciilifeform: crossing lines make for a turdalicious schematic
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is a related and important (to rsa) mathematical problem, of 'how many bits of modulus give your guaranteed polynomial factoring'
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 16:28 asciilifeform: oh in re: 'golden 1990s': i recently contemplated making a game-playing box to 'unwind' with, and looked into where to get a decent flying-joystick. and apparently the best ones were made in 1990s, and today sought after, and rare...
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1582124 << the best home planetarium mahcine is a toy made by nintendo in the 90s for going ~~$2000 "why you need a pinhole sky projection, when you have ipad???11" ☝︎
asciilifeform: a very limited (functionally) BUT fully tmsrtronic fallback for imperial crapolade -- is the ticket.
mircea_popescu: not a meritless idea, that.
phf: asciilifeform: this goes back to the books thread we had long time ago. in-wot solution should exist and be up to tmsr standards. but if you're going to search for books in irradiated library ruins you just have to accept that you have to wear a hazmat and that you might get raped by feral locals.
trinque: there was a thread on how to approach the search problem, awaiting some intrepid guy yet.
asciilifeform: if someone wants to show me a parallel world where they are all in my wot -- i'm all ears
phf: asciilifeform: in the worst case is there more required than a w/h for each defcomponent, x/y for each make-instance component and (list (x y) ...) for eah make-instance route?
mircea_popescu: (conversely : search is a political tool, nothing else. "i just want to" jwz doesn't exist in practice)
asciilifeform: let's approach the problem bottom-up, as gedankenexperiment. it is np-complete problem to draw a polished, readable schematic from netlist only. what, therefore, is the minimal 'helping hand' that would let the machine draw schematic from netlist in polynomial time. that is the necessary format, and nothing else.
phf: but notably colorforth CAD that chuck moore wrote is all discrete units for these very reasons (there's a writeup somewhere in the CF pile)
mircea_popescu: i recall they had a bumper crop right ?
pete_dushenski: 2001 was a dismal year for opium exports from afghanistan
pete_dushenski: it's branded as 'evil chinese opiod flooding in from kongkouver port' around here. so like reverse opium warz, ie. non-round eyes fiatolistas are profiting and this is a Bad Thing.
mats: enslaving a generation of white males with opium
mats: white people have moved from enslaving a generation of chinese males with opium to ...
thestringpuller: mod6: "How a nigga gonna stay drug free, when Georgia Power won't give a nigga lights free"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform certainly happened, usg is primarily known as a drug dealing criminal organisation.
thestringpuller: well the morphine and cocaine markets are more of a smuggling game......
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: should solidify the evidence that dope dealing is a great financier of the cash variety
asciilifeform: the mother of all 'unhappenings', it has been known to anyone who gives half a shit, with all the proof you could possibly ask for from a mafia op where 'talkative' folks with hard proof get plugged immediately -- and still 'never happened.'
asciilifeform: so the hilarious bit, thrustmaster made a 're-edition', for something like 500 usd, that externally looked great (made of iron, etc) but inside -- 100% chinese plastic rubbish
asciilifeform: there's an outfit called 'thrustmaster', well-known name in game controllers, that made a princely joystick in 1990s, 'f-22'. it was used in 'adult' simulators, the kind where one studies for exams, where you literally can hang upside down in gigantic barrel, etc. and guess what, there is no way to make it work with win7+ short of replacing entire internal guts.
asciilifeform: the 2000s were almost ~defined~, microshitwise, by a massive 'purge' where folx were forced to retire peripherals (and, for that matter, whole comps) in PERFECT mechanical condition, to run new winblows
mircea_popescu: a rat is a rat.
mircea_popescu: there's no "i have a rat infestation but my rats have only the front paws and left ear"
Framedragger: (it's sorta-kinda seeing a revival, with folks doing HRTF etc on bare CPU without need for audio chip accelerated whatever, but i believe there's still a.. niche. for someone whoever realizes that graphics isn't everything, etc.)
asciilifeform: looks almost like something from a plumber's junk pile.
asciilifeform: it's a.... stick.
asciilifeform: they were hydraulic, like a post-70s auto
asciilifeform: oh in re: 'golden 1990s': i recently contemplated making a game-playing box to 'unwind' with, and looked into where to get a decent flying-joystick. and apparently the best ones were made in 1990s, and today sought after, and rare... ☟︎
mircea_popescu: BAD DIRECTORY STRUCTURE. no, might and magic 6 is NOT HAPPY to find itself in a directory including spaces, ampersands and unicode's mother on a stick.
mircea_popescu: for the record, in my experience a good HALF of wine errors encountered in practice (man wants to play the games from the times when games were worth playing) are...
asciilifeform: but when xilinx's synth tool stubbornly refused to map the collective reset in FUCKGOATS to the global reset pin, i found the answer with, yes, a few hours of google.
mircea_popescu: but this isn't my point. go ahead, search yourself, it's just a pile of the usual chickens doing their usual chicken crrr-crrrr-crrrrrkkkk!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i ran into problem trying to get mm6 to run on wine ; error message search (R6034 !) yielded NOTHING USEFUL. just endless pile of imbeciles doing the usual imbecile thing "oh, you got that ? so did i. i heard johnny also did or had a friend who did hey have you tried washing hands?"
mircea_popescu: ah that ahrefs thing it's a "seo tool".
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1582034 << btw when i search for error messages, i generally find'em. granted this is 'moral hazard' and arguably makes for a substantially more turdalicious software ecosystem than if folks were 'shit out of luck' when seeing EGGOGs. but there it is. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: inbcidentally asciilifeform as per that discussion of how much it costs to index etc, phuctor is a total google poison. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the tmsr situation is very much like, space ship landed on new planet, there's a few people and tech of unspeakable power, and otherwise a bunch of shamanic tribes on the surface. fuckable, but that's about all, their ooga-ooga language is fucking tiresome.
mircea_popescu: don't start too soon. we've not yet the manpower or infrastructure to do a google.
mircea_popescu: you can pretty much guess what % of imbeciles make up a site's userbase by what % come via search.
asciilifeform: 'in the great birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale'
mircea_popescu: yes, i'm aware it can point me to google's facebook. tyvm it never seems to be a practical need i have.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1582023 << it's the ~only ~working search engine, like or not. (and no, rubbish with 'maybe we crawl your page this ~year~ unless you're a major newspaper' is not a search engine) ☝︎
asciilifeform: a 'p'-style vector graphics thing might be interesting , in some distant future..
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 14:24 asciilifeform: it occurs to me that one could write a 'garbage compactor' for these
mircea_popescu: in proper terms : even the empire figured out the incredibly tenuous position of google, who a) provides no useful service and b) survives exactly out of yahoo-style ponzi scheme (as described by paul graham, one of its architects pre dot com bubble)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 03:29 mircea_popescu: "What would Lucene at Google’s size look like? If we do a naive back of the envelope calculation on what it would take to index a significant fraction of the internet (often estimated to be 1 trillion (T) or 10T documents), we might expect a 1T document index to cost something like $10B1. That’s not a feasible startup, so let’s say that instead of trying to index 1T documents, we want to maintain an artisanal search ind
asciilifeform: it occurs to me that one could write a 'garbage compactor' for these ☟︎
asciilifeform: but indeed schem 'lives in' a correctly made netlist.
mircea_popescu: a svg also "can not be longer than the total line count"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: think, netlist is the essential 'soul' of schematic, definitionally such that if you change ONE character, you get a ~different~ (and , likely, broken) device.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1581961 << this is pointedly not so, think about it for a minute, a netlist cannot be longer than the active pincount ! ☝︎
Framedragger has a guess that many 'native speaker' derps can get confuzzled when encountering future perfect ("will have hacked")
Framedragger: yeah, would be great to have ssl certs etc all in the same place, timestamped, so one could track history, to an extent. (and then be able to offer realtime scans and alerts as a service, say...)