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phf: trinque: all voracious learners i know eventually hit the point, where acquiring knowledge/skill requires significant amount of self abuse. the kind of abuse in question is the actual, physical pain that you experience in your head, when for example trying to grok math analysis. only people who never experienced that are jacks of all trades who bail before that point (or mythical genuises who never hit their limits before death, i know
mod6: i didn't see a link. i'm probably an idiot.
mod6: I aquired a box, so was just gonna re-read some of the stuff and place an order later tonight.
gabriel_laddel_p: I should have been a little more specific earlier re: why cocaine in particular, or meth (in particular) would be useful IN MY SITUATION. I think it would be useful when you find yourself on a forced march in the sense that you MUST stay awake for a few hours longer than you normally would have, perhaps on the company of people who you should proba
trinque: I am trying to digest the perspective that one must beat himself to behave according to his own model of reality, subjectively.
trinque: I was the kid who voraciously wanted to learn, ended up tiring of starving, went wandering in the woods for food.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 17:41 asciilifeform: i find it interesting that the authors of these (and there are many) virtually never mention even approx. ~what~ their 'super team' of 'super people' was DOING
asciilifeform: ^ for some reason i picture the protagonist of subj as him !
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 01:42 shinohai: This may be the best story I have seen all day: Former gay porn actor turned German spy arrested for secretly being a Jihadist http://archive.is/9SQqY
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: I'm going to recover my old key, sign this one.
gabriel_laddel_p: I cannot currently up myself, but have registered a new key for gabriel_laddel_p
mircea_popescu: i seem to recall an eyedropped thing, but w/e ianae
ben_vulpes: good idea though! i've dropped many a dose of 'acid' into 'friends' eyeballs.
mircea_popescu: because i can't conceive why'd you want to do that to your cornea.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 17:30 jurov: i guess they specialize to very different niches of govt ecosystem than alf
asciilifeform: phf: i distinctly recall ~one~ case where he injects while thinking
phf: i'd like to mention that sherlock holmes used cocaine ~only~ in between cases
trinque has advocated various dopes in the past solely because they were fun, like camping is fun, but I don't write code camping either. I camp. ☟︎
asciilifeform: or, i will add for completeness, both -- sober. also worx for some folx.
asciilifeform: which is why i said to laddel 'dope requires discipline', because a lone programmer in a cellar is both general and soldier
phf: the first part of writing happens in a mapper mode, i.e. daydreaming for lack of better word before any kind of code is actually written, second in packer i.e. actual typing. that's also when cocaine/caffeine/aderal might help
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 23:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i must disagree, i was quite close to, e.g., 'v', for very long time before finally wrote it.
asciilifeform: i cannot speak for other inmates, but i have lived as both of these animals.
phf: i always thought that kind of classification is "people like me and people not like me", but i like your take too.
asciilifeform: the 'culture' was, as i gather, never actually ~about~ the code, but... about the coffee; the shared deathmarches; the dope; the sensory deprivation bottles; the 'scene'; and other pretenses. ☟︎
phf: also made me rather mistrustful of a lot of "hacker culture" elements, like too much coffee, night hacking, after hour sprints, weekend hacking, all things that i've confirmed from experience to contributing to atrocious code ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had a pretty good handle on subj, though i have misplaced the relevant piece. the one where he described two basic outcomes of the traditional western crippling of schoolchildren, and they roughly correspond to the 'mapper' and 'packer' portrayed here, and in 'bipolar lisp programmer', and other similar essays.
phf: but anyway, the reason why i mentioned it, and the one thing of value that i derived from progstone is the idea of stess addiction. i'm not sure about the mechanism that he proposes, but identifying and neutralizing sources of needless stress served me well for many years since i read it
phf: i just linked it to you ffs
asciilifeform: so where can i see original site
phf: i would've prefered criticism that involved quotes (since there are plenty of things to make fun of), rather than a somehwat off mark general trash talking
asciilifeform: asciilifeform refers to this genre of writing as '10th-dimension', after infamous pseudoscientific b00k/www by same name, which consisted of highly refined 'imponade' (to borrow naggum's) , that is, writing designed to pull the reader's intellectual cock and give a sensation of 'profound insight', 'yes, NAO i UNDERSTAND FIZZZIX!' or similar.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-18 01:24 mircea_popescu: I blame Eric Raymond and to a lesser extent Dave Winer for bringing this kind of schlock writing onto the Internet. Raymond is the original perpetrator of the "what is a hacker?" essay, in which you quickly begin to understand that a hacker is someone who resembles Eric Raymond. Dave Winer has recently and mercifully moved his essays off to audio, but you can still hear him snorfling cashew nuts and talking at length about wh
phf: when i said "programmers stone" i meant papers published by blog's author in 97 or so, which are very vague and speculative but had some interesting ideas about programming. most references to subj in oldfag circles result in "oh yeaaah i member" reaction. the blog has not much to do with original
asciilifeform: i find it interesting that the authors of these (and there are many) virtually never mention even approx. ~what~ their 'super team' of 'super people' was DOING ☟︎
asciilifeform: i thought this was known to pretty much everyone in the field since... '70s..? but apparently not
jurov: i guess they specialize to very different niches of govt ecosystem than alf ☟︎
asciilifeform: i gotta wonder, how come i never met these folx.
asciilifeform: en able to link. One day it became apparent that the component extended a base class of the Qt graphics toolkit, while their program used MFC. Foolishly, I ventured to suggest that if the base class wasn’t available, a derived class couldn’t be linked to it. One of the workers informed me that this was “my opinion”. I should have left it alone, I know. But I used to work in a useful industry. I explained that it was a simple
asciilifeform: 'Amongst some people, such confusion has been elevated to a philosophical ideology. I once watched a very lost group working near to me, who had spent months trying to print out a graph. It was all very complicated for them. Eventually they decided to purchase a third party graph drawing component, which advertised that it could print out graphs. After considerable administration they obtained a binary library, which they were not th
phf: (i finished the docs)
a111: Logged on 2016-11-29 14:36 mircea_popescu: speaking of above article, can i get a commitment to never signing any V material which includes any non-ascii characters ? BingoBoingo diana_coman hanbot trinque mod6 danielpbarron mircea_popescu mike_c asciilifeform davout ben_vulpes phf jurov
phf: asciilifeform: that's a good question, i haven't isolated the bug, but i'm pretty sure on openbsd crashes instantaneously. note that c++ threads are involved, so perhaps they try to initialize things even before you start using them?
shinohai: Sad, I really did like the blockcypher api: http://archive.is/AYrGQ
mircea_popescu: i had no idea what hotcakes means prior to FUCKGOATS
phf: researching the problem i came across a lot of "my static linked openbsd program just crashes! ... ... -lpthread ... ...", but also a handful of linux ones
asciilifeform: it lies far away, across seven seas, or so i heard.
asciilifeform: i dun think i have ever visited the mighty land of Guaranteed To Work
asciilifeform: and btw holy FUCK is that thing slow. SLOW. in the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=300 sense. i can literally feel every disk write.
mircea_popescu: i'm a fucking pioneer, been doing it since the last millenium!
asciilifeform: i gotta wonder what else, and where else, is 'not fully statically linkable' and where.
phf: i think it only manifests on openbsd
mod6: I think it was this: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000118.html
asciilifeform: tbh i do not have a clear picture of what use a trb-on-mac might be to anyone, given as the thing needs to be up 24/7 for any practical battlefield value
mod6: yeah, it predates v im sure. i'll dig up the email...
phf: i think bsd patch might predate v
phf: oh i misunderstood your original sentence, yeah, we are on the same page
asciilifeform: is musl necessary on *bsd ?? i have nfi, but did think that bsd's libc were mostly sane
asciilifeform: phf: in principle it ought to work on bsd etc. but will shit out a linux binary, unless you were to fiddle with it rather heavily. but i do not see why to do this.
phf: trinque: i'm wondering myself :D i thought it's on btcbase, but apparently not
phf: asciilifeform: oh so it doesn't crosscompile? i though buildroot explicitly builds all own gcc and family etc
asciilifeform: buildroot as i used it here, was a pill against drepperism
shinohai: Yes I haven't done much with it yet besides verify the bitcoind snarfs blocks and that the flag produces a message
asciilifeform: (they are , i am told, being packaged for shipment as we speak )
asciilifeform: likely there is also certain amount of 'here's a button, what happens if i press'
shinohai: I have a whole btctalk thread regarding peoples lack of following simple instructions.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 17:22 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553270 << I would buy an in-WoT RNG yesterday.
mod6: shinohai: yeah, for now, it's just in the email. you can just grab the attachments and place them where they belong. i'll place them both in the mirror at some point, not too long
mircea_popescu: lol. i guess if anyone needed hosting...
asciilifeform: http://65.111.164.90/apache2-default/ << lel, 'what shall i do today... oh, i know, build a box with DIDDLED DEBIAN and then leave it running on DEFAULT knobs!111 for years'
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 01:01 adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1575187 << first log appearance for this, led me to http://www.the-programmers-stone.com/about which makes two preposterous claims in one sentence before i've even scrolled down once: "I discovered that (almost) everyone can become a super-programmer, and with a crew of super-programmers, gelled teams form up naturally."
mircea_popescu: "Whenever I got a team ready to be really useful, there would be a bizarre negative reaction from all sorts of other people who were employed within the same organizations, but were not part of the teams I was working with. Sometimes this effect was so strong it could become a workplace hazard, and it always grew until the teams themselves were no longer able to function." <<< mediocrity is not a lack of intelligence, it is i
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun see any unusual wedge
mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess BingoBoingo has it. ima see what the girls are up to.
mircea_popescu: but i promise you you will not be left without k!
mod6: ok. bummed cause i just got the mailing shit all setup
mircea_popescu: " I thought just moving your mouse or doing something on the computer already fills up /dev/random, and it's only a big problem on major servers. Is this not right?" << there's a SHOCKING amount of this. nsa's doing god's work with these people, absolutely.
mod6: haha, i certainly will. probably wont be order for a day or so... think you'll have enough to meet the demand?
asciilifeform: 'I thought that /dev/random (as opposed to /dev/urandom) was already based on entropy from physical noise, as recorded by sensors (I think including mouse, keyboard and temperature). Sounds like they're trying to make a big deal out of addressing a theoretical vulnerability, which is irrelevant in practice.' << glorious
mircea_popescu: i guess huh
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dude i just realised THATS MY RABBIT
asciilifeform: as for tanks , i got stuck behind one in traffic (no, not hallucinating, it was on a flatbed as it ought to be.) this used to be more common sight. but as i understand they are not making so many new ones, the 1 (yes 1) factory in ohio is laying off hands
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 23:53 trinque: the mind will create elaborate narratives to justify addiction. never affected me directly, but I've seen it.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 23:32 asciilifeform: i think erdos never ate 100g even in his 75 yr working life
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1575048 << I'm actually rather surprised there isn't a generic scrypt shitcoin miner in postscript for the Printernet of Things ☝︎
mod6: and mainly there is so much other non-infrastructure related work to do, i think that's taking a back-seat unless someone steps up to work on it and contribute.
shinohai: This may be the best story I have seen all day: Former gay porn actor turned German spy arrested for secretly being a Jihadist http://archive.is/9SQqY ☟︎
adlai: what i can't fathom is this fetish all the teachers have for writing content by hand in realtime, rather than clicking a button and having a computer instantly display a legible, proofread, typeset, etc version
adlai: in other news, physics lecturer is quite good: "being here does not excuse you from thinking, rather thinking is required of you" also "i can explain everything you want, but you'll have to start listening". so he's not quite throwing out the idiots, but it looks like he goes as far as he can without getting his jerb tooken away
phf: adlai: you don't want to read it too closely, i certainly am not going to waste my time defending nitpicking
adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1575187 << first log appearance for this, led me to http://www.the-programmers-stone.com/about which makes two preposterous claims in one sentence before i've even scrolled down once: "I discovered that (almost) everyone can become a super-programmer, and with a crew of super-programmers, gelled teams form up naturally." ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: <gabriel_laddel> jurov: I'm open to advice, I just disagree with them. << lol!
gabriel_laddel: jurov: all the other masamune machines out in the wild are running the same sources as I am
jurov: mircea wanted similar freeze with eulora, i can't imagine it
gabriel_laddel: jurov: I'm open to advice, I just disagree with them. What's on your mind?
jurov: i'd think of something that touches only malloc, filesystem (optional) and communicates only vnc/X11 via socket
jurov: i can picture several ways how this approach to self-hosting can fail, but does not look like you're open to advices
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I envision 1. masamune is self-hosting, with the ability to replicate itself onto a livecd containing all sources used to build it, that can then produce like replicants. 2. no more updates to ALGOL systems, ever, given that all the sources needed for the lisp environment are self-contained. 3. A CLIM system manager that abstracts ov
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 23:47 asciilifeform: i find it interesting that (iirc) gabriel_laddel was mega-aficionado of my www, but will not take any of my advice nao.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i must also retreat to a dark room to do 'unsexy and necessary' per mircea_popescu's formula, long-needed job, so bbl.