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davout: some come built-in i think, some others you have to inoculate

asciilifeform: incidentally iirc someone wrote somethign vaguely like slime for vi, someone with stronger stomach than i oughta try it, see...

asciilifeform: if stuck on a box on mars with no civilized editors, i'd sooner use 'nano'

asciilifeform: i might like vi more if it weren't also associated in my head with the years i toiled as a sysadmin slave...

asciilifeform: i also fucking ~loathe~ modal editors ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 01:07 asciilifeform: i suppose idea is fairly obvious.

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582407 << i tried living in TECO at some point (they way i've done with a bunch of other text editors, like acme) and it was beyond even my patience. it's definitely an emacsism in a sense of "this part makes no sense, but that's how the elders did it, so stfu" ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 01:35 ben_vulpes: i swear that apple is varying the time at which it presents its "are you ready to upgrade now?" modal to me

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582413 << they don't show it to me on 10.9, possibly because i'm now a heathen beyond redemption ☝︎

ben_vulpes: https://github.com/tiimgreen/github-cheat-sheet#ignore-whitespace << because what i want is a diff program that doesn't show the whole diff

ben_vulpes: i swear that apple is varying the time at which it presents its "are you ready to upgrade now?" modal to me ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://www.finseth.com/craft << the actual megaclassic of the subj. i have it in dead tree, and did not know it were on www in proper text...

asciilifeform: i suppose idea is fairly obvious. ☟︎

asciilifeform: apparently i somehow built this again.

asciilifeform: 'A language designed to live in the paper-tape world had to have some major constraints. First, paper tape is slow. Really slow. And punching tape is a miserable process. So you really wanted to keep things as short as possible. So the syntax of TECO is, to put it mildly, absolutely mind-boggling. Every character is a command. And I don't mean "every punctuation character", or "every letter". Every character is a command. Letters, nu

ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1582084 << i was just thining about the happy accident that is mimisbrunnr spewing noise into the google hole ☝︎

mircea_popescu: well i don't much use emacs so. it must be why.

asciilifeform: i dun need a 500MB process for keeping track of motherfucking windows.

asciilifeform: so far every alternative i've tried, incl. the author's later works, fell short.

asciilifeform: re wm, idk, i like ratpoison

asciilifeform: (even as text editor, i use it RELUCTANTLY, because there is literally no functional alternative for the sorts of things that i edit)

asciilifeform: so i never had this 'problem'.

asciilifeform: possibly no one will believe me, but unlike most 'ideological' emacsists, i do not abuse it as irc client / wwwtron / reactor controller / etc

trinque: yeah I know, the "gevent" model, or javascript XHR for another shining example

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1582363 << same thing threads were supposed to achieve in bitcoin. idiot unix supplies such worthless nonblocking i/o system that threads in unix proggies (discounting actual number crunchers) exist largely so that they can sit, sadly, waiting for blocking i/o... ☝︎

asciilifeform: i dun recall anybody asking me

mircea_popescu: in other news i got everything working : mm6, 7, planescape torment, the works.

phf: i'm curious about this accelerated rate of emacs shittification. it's like there's new of some or other modernization every other week

phf: (in random luls, since btcbase doesn't track renames for the longest time i thought that we had an actual "oglafbot" running. i saw BingoBoingo post an update a few times and wondered "what happened to oglafbot") ☟︎

asciilifeform: (usb per se has absolutely imho lethal problems but i would count the horrid plug dead last on the list of these)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'new usb' is symmetric but i suppose it is too-late.

asciilifeform: i had a ru plug, left over in bag from trip to ro, and it fit !

asciilifeform: from what i can tell, 'eagle' actually used a similar algo in their (surprisingly good) autoroute.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i experimented with this personally

mircea_popescu: unrelatedly and i guess unhelpfully, i'm wondering if once specified as above, you don't also get a router for cheap (through implementing a sort of physics where routes attract each other and are repulsed by things etc)

phf: a bus is a track (what i called route) that's reused by multiple components , and if track has coordinates for meanders and thickness you're there

asciilifeform: generally i dun deal with impossibles.

phf: to make a pcb out of a netlist, at worst case you need w/h of component, x/y placement of component, a list of x/y coords for each route (to indicate turns)? or there's something that i'm missing?

asciilifeform: ah i missed

mircea_popescu: no i get that part.

mircea_popescu: i mean... we pay $$$ to generate rng. how did the computer generate 5mb to pad what alf declares "minuscle" ?

asciilifeform: phf: i had very spiffy planetarium for msdos, but sadly forgot what it was called

a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 16:28 asciilifeform: oh in re: 'golden 1990s': i recently contemplated making a game-playing box to 'unwind' with, and looked into where to get a decent flying-joystick. and apparently the best ones were made in 1990s, and today sought after, and rare...

mircea_popescu: yeh, i get it, it "works for you". very good, but very irrelevant also.

asciilifeform: it is made of the duct tape i have, not the duct tape i wish i had

mircea_popescu: anyway. this whole "google finds thing" is very much of the nature of "i couldn't get dxf to print ON ANYTHING svg conversion IS IMPOSSIBLE" etc.

mircea_popescu: he just restated what i said lol.

asciilifeform: betcha i could finally demolish the 'dark matter' of weak-but-not-popped (by birthday-theorem) mods etc.

asciilifeform: one of the things i would like to do in phuctor (when?? in peacetime...?) is to actually sort the mods by levenshtein distance

mircea_popescu: nobody wants anything. the google i use will be l-distance based and that's all.

asciilifeform: if someone wants to show me a parallel world where they are all in my wot -- i'm all ears

mircea_popescu: i've long ago decided stuff isn't going to be built to satisfy you ; but over your hairpulling objections.

mircea_popescu: (conversely : search is a political tool, nothing else. "i just want to" jwz doesn't exist in practice)

asciilifeform: phf: this is correct, but i will point out that schematic is easier problem than pcb -- schematic traces take up 0 space, and the crossing penalty is merely aesthetic rather than physical

phf: minimal helping hand is the kind of stuff you would manually do to an autorouted schematic, i.e. explicit xy placement for some of the components. algo can simply unpin each component in order and see if autolayout still results in same placement, in which case the explicit coordinate is unnecessary

asciilifeform: i will admit to having serious doubts that building 'like google in 2001, and stays that way!111' is technologically possible -- it is an inherently centralized animal and will grow usg barnacles regardless of who builds it or where it is kept

a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 15:18 asciilifeform: then i suppose the rot - continues. rotten, maggoty google is still the closest thing i know of to working search engine for www...

asciilifeform: and iirc clim has something of the kind (though i am the very last who would know the detail)

asciilifeform: i linked to henderson's paper here long ago

asciilifeform: i.e. pointedly NOT involving coordinate values specified at all !

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1582015 << i actually tried one of those against the svg, and without netlist knowledge it gets funky (edges don't properly touch nodes, because rounding) ☝︎

mircea_popescu: i recall they had a bumper crop right ?

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1581952 << ircbot and logbot don't actually depend on each other in V sense, so there's not much i can do about it (unless i'm missing the issue) ☝︎

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cia & co. (i.e. ACTUAL usg) dealing dope, is old ooooold noose

mircea_popescu: it's also ~when i stopped paying any attention. last time i played games as they came out was 1999/2000

mircea_popescu: there's no "i have a rat infestation but my rats have only the front paws and left ear"

asciilifeform: and microshit forbade gameport, as, i quote, 'security risk'

Framedragger: (it's sorta-kinda seeing a revival, with folks doing HRTF etc on bare CPU without need for audio chip accelerated whatever, but i believe there's still a.. niche. for someone whoever realizes that graphics isn't everything, etc.)

Framedragger: hah that reminds me, i'm too young to properly remember but after looking into this i've concluded that best 3d audio was in 90s (before creative labs patent-trolled aureal semiconductor). (maybe i already ranted about this).

asciilifeform: i would, but it'd need electric gimballs

asciilifeform: oh in re: 'golden 1990s': i recently contemplated making a game-playing box to 'unwind' with, and looked into where to get a decent flying-joystick. and apparently the best ones were made in 1990s, and today sought after, and rare... ☟︎

mircea_popescu: that i can believe.

asciilifeform: but when xilinx's synth tool stubbornly refused to map the collective reset in FUCKGOATS to the global reset pin, i found the answer with, yes, a few hours of google.

asciilifeform: i can see that it does not work so well when there are chickens in the mix.

mircea_popescu: anyway, i got it flattened into shape, but because debugging the videocard not because googling the web.

mircea_popescu: and on like that forever. i long ago despaired of trying to google error messages.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i ran into problem trying to get mm6 to run on wine ; error message search (R6034 !) yielded NOTHING USEFUL. just endless pile of imbeciles doing the usual imbecile thing "oh, you got that ? so did i. i heard johnny also did or had a friend who did hey have you tried washing hands?"

asciilifeform: the necessary detail is NOT found in my dead tree collection, nor in meatwot, nor anywhere else i could conceivably get to other than via bad old heathen search.

a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 15:13 mircea_popescu: somehow however i don't seem to ever want that.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-12#1582034 << btw when i search for error messages, i generally find'em. granted this is 'moral hazard' and arguably makes for a substantially more turdalicious software ecosystem than if folks were 'shit out of luck' when seeing EGGOGs. but there it is. ☝︎

asciilifeform: e.g., something claiming to be http://ahrefs.com/robot, but not obeying the 'off switch' specified there; and jumping ip ranges 10+ times if banned (i can no longer be arsed)

asciilifeform: bunch of other crawlers i've never heard of, also:

asciilifeform: funnily enough i even have 'robots off'

asciilifeform: dunno why not censored phuctor yet! i must be doing something wrong!11111

mircea_popescu: i guess.

mircea_popescu: "for banal www as long as i don't look for things anyone in the libertard camp may object to, conceivably"

asciilifeform: then i suppose the rot - continues. rotten, maggoty google is still the closest thing i know of to working search engine for www... ☟︎

asciilifeform: i dun recall it getting even 1 useful result this way.

mircea_popescu: yes, i'm aware it can point me to google's facebook. tyvm it never seems to be a practical need i have.

asciilifeform: the google-from-bot i mean

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asciilifeform: i have nfi why )

mircea_popescu: it also doesn't do anything, because yes srsly, i don't need to "google trump" to find trump's facebook page.

mircea_popescu: oh, but when i want stuff from the log i also don't google

mircea_popescu: somehow however i don't seem to ever want that. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: whenever i actually want data i have to crawl myself but people go around saying "google is the only working search engine"

a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 20:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i could readily reduce the svg if you wish, most of it is dreamweaver-style pointless tagging

Framedragger: it's too much to handle, i tell u

Framedragger: i guess the scanned banners could go into a separate "scans" table with timestamps / scan event numbers, so that one could JOIN and check multiple banners for ip, especially when i plan to later re-scan everything again, etc.

Framedragger: i guess as long as everything's stored in a sane manner and format, it's no big diff.