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davout: i had lots of fun playing it
asciilifeform: or (at the risk of sounding like complete idiot, because i did not play it) alchemy in eulora, it works there, but meatspace 'alchemy' is considerably more expensive, painful, and rewards -- few and far between, and most practitioners live and die without accomplishing ~anything... ☟︎
asciilifeform: to briefly revisit orig. thread, the thing i found appealing about 'air shooters' as a boy, was not the abstract 'grease wank' of 'oooh, engines, and gears' but the quick-with-your-eyes-hands-feet-shootout aspect of the game, which is not something that exists today in meatspace even in actual air combat (where you program the rocket, fire, and go home)
asciilifeform: IANAL, so i've nfi.
davout: i have nfi about the US, but in france there's a specific ultralight license ☟︎
thestringpuller: the more traditional method when I was in school, was join Aviation club. Sit at desk give out free pizza, get free coupon for "lessons".
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i dun think the crop duster farmer can Officially certify you etc.
asciilifeform: we had a neato inertial navigation thread, but i can't seem to find igt.
davout: i now understand why it makes sense to have speed shown in knots AND mach number fraction
asciilifeform: the theory, i found appealing since childhood, yes
davout: i had no idea such a thing as a gyrolaser existed
davout: i've borrowed a bunch of theory books too, and tbh the learning process itself seems pretty cool too
asciilifeform: the 'bus', from what i can tell, mostly drives itself.
davout: ah yeah, i don't think there's much of that to be had
davout: also i already moved to sunville!
davout: i don't think it's the "piloting" part that's attractive to me, but more the "let's go see the sun" when all the other derps are stuck under a shitty stratus shittus overcast layer
davout: i'm kinda considering getting myself a professionnal licence, to fly the big guys
davout: i'm quite curious about the rental rates where you live
davout: i guess having one's own machine can make sense in some cases, mine's not one of them
asciilifeform: i for some reason thought that davout had own machine
asciilifeform: last time i used vim, i landed on a wing and burned to a cinder.
davout: hey! i still use ms word as a vim simulator!!!11 ☟︎
phf: i have same reaction to sims as mircea_popescu to counter strike, so when you say sim i think xplane, or precusors like mfs (that i hear some still swear by !!1)
asciilifeform: to this last question, i know the answer very well, it is not a mystery
asciilifeform: rather than 'where do i learn to pass exam for driving serious machine'
asciilifeform: this is why i was bewildered at the answers to this thread, i specifically mentioned 'contemplated playing games again after decade+', 'unwind'
davout: simming == what does this button do? does this work if i do the approach this way? what's that instrument?
phf: asciilifeform: i don't have any peripherals. i use it for their instrument challenges, and they also have a mode where they randomly fail something in the plane and you need to figure out what do. that sort of stuff
davout: i'm sure you could easily find someone anywhere in the US by hopping onto #pilots or /r/flying
asciilifeform: and, theoretically, the d00d mentioned earlier -- also. but he had no plane. and last i knew had taken 'vow of poverty', became academic.
asciilifeform: actually i used to know one !
phf: davout: it's easier to find an instructor, than it is to "find any private pilot". plus you know asciilifeform objection "i don't know any private pilots" ☟︎
asciilifeform: at uni i roomed with an old friend, who dreamed of flying, ended up practicing with xplane, studying like maniac, paid his 20k, got the license, then bought, instead of airplane... a ship. which is afaik rusting in port still.
asciilifeform: (some folks spend almost what real machine costs, on practice pit, i found out)
phf: sort of my thinking about flight sims. only reason i have xplane is for practice
asciilifeform: i can do the study, hell, buy the machine, but i've nowhere to go in it. at some point might do it anyway when i get sufficiently bored and tired of living.
phf: but anyway, it's fun. not quite the same as a sim, i've no idea what these people are on about, but worth it if you have the cash. in fact if you can stretch 10k over a year, getting a license is not a bad idea
asciilifeform: i've lived in roughly same town for decade +
phf: ha, then i know where you are
asciilifeform: actually i live literally across the street from amateur airport.
asciilifeform: phf: i can watch dashcams on youtube for 0 $
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582570 << you also have "intro classes" that'll run you $150 or so with a reputable firm for half hour. i'm sure those same instructors would bring up the plane more than once under similar circmustances: you get to sit in the cockpit and "hold the joystick" at cruising ☝︎
asciilifeform: (boeing is the one exception i know of, it had a genuine history earlier, even a brief airline monopoly -- but then absorbed also)
asciilifeform: i suspect they can more easily cancel him, than him -- them
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582487 << to expand on this : such a model would actually do away with the browser altogether ; just discuss with servers in something like an extended irc client. (yes yes i know, emacs.) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: I believe it takes all kinds to make a working world, but what I find among the modern novices is that they do not feel the same way about the experts -- they want an expert-free world where their ignorance is not painful, where their inexperience is not used against them, where they get all the jokes, where nobody uses literary references that elude them, where every one of their ideas is accepted by their peers as just as n
Framedragger: [that reminds me, i bought a postcard of ayn rand and am yet to send this to a friend who is in full hate mode of her stuff. need to get this done for the festive season...]
mircea_popescu: i suspect most of dood's life happened inside his skull. because that's the proboem with "make it easy for beginnertards" : it NECESSARILY also makes it hard for naggums.
asciilifeform: it remains possible that it was there -- and i lost it.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 12:49 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't say you must. "when you design for the novice in the sense of trying to lie to them about their inferiority, you are stuck with that lie and it gets ever more expensive to maintain"
trinque: speaking of relics, I just dug up WORDS ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 12:35 trinque: why the fuck can't I name and reuse "joins" in SQL ?
trinque: yes, I mentioned all that.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 12:32 Framedragger: i'd actually like to see a coherent and all-in-one-place SQL / RDBMS-as-a-general-model critique some time. maybe it exists. usually it's mongodb hipsters complaining randomly, so i'd developed a (too-)generic "ignore 'em all" filter :p
Framedragger: asciilifeform: quick unrelated q: in phuctor, do the phuctored debianized keys appear in /phuctored ? from what i recall and understand, all of them are there. and one wouldn't have to look at /sadmods or /dupes - correct?
asciilifeform: hey if it had theoretical economy, i'd consider it (periodically i go and actually consider, and find that i have to press literally 500x more button)
mircea_popescu: yes yes, editor wars exist because previous investment, i know i know.
asciilifeform: whereas modern vi, if you were to roll in all of the pieces i actually use in daily life (e.g., correct autoindent AND colourization for 50+ languages) it will probably weigh what emacs weighs
asciilifeform: jurov: i'm thinking of classic vi
jurov: incidentally, arrow keys do work regardless of mode. or i dunno what vim-from-hell alf ran into?
asciilifeform: it is mindblowing that vi, that abortion, still is in use. i can only grasp this in light of the alternative being emacs, equally horrid in exactly opposite ways.
asciilifeform: btw another idiocy, arrow keys! they exist ! i WILL use them
asciilifeform: well i have here a keyboard with two whole extra rows of prog f keys that dun display to screen
asciilifeform: ... it made some kind of sense with 300 baud modem, yes. but i dun have one.
asciilifeform: what next, plugins that require perl scripts to run when i press tab ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582517 << holy FUCK and i'm supposed to take it seriously !? ☝︎
asciilifeform: better, i picture, than anything on tap any time since caesar.
asciilifeform: that one ^ beats 'doom', i can see.
asciilifeform: fwiw i had a colleague who was in iraq and pointedly played 'call of duty: iraq' while there.
Framedragger: aite, that's a chunk of money for sure, i'd've thought it to have been lower than that :(
Framedragger: i don't know how it is in the .us and it's prolly *quite* a bit more complicated than that, also i had the lucky chance of having a relative who'd invite to fly with him and show me basic flight control stuff, but are you not able to get lessons as a total noob?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582462 << the other puzzler, where do i take space battle class !111111 ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582456 << i sleep ad lib nao, thus far using it to make s.nsa output solidity rather than getting flattened in esoteric vehicles, but who knows, might go and do the latter also at some point ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582453 << i can see this pov, 'instead of playing race game for a few hrs, i'ma buy harley and go to the desert and train for 10 years' ☝︎
trinque: idiot I worked for in Portland was always talking about "untapped creativity" in re: end user programming
trinque: "I can create this smart-guy talisman and bless The People with my disembodied smart."
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't say you must. "when you design for the novice in the sense of trying to lie to them about their inferiority, you are stuck with that lie and it gets ever more expensive to maintain" ☟︎
Framedragger: the "UI/programming-language" juxtaposition is quite apparent when writing pl/pgsql. i dunno, it's a weird feeling.
Framedragger: "there are always leaks." yeah, i mean, no objections i guess.
Framedragger: yeah, aliasing is an important mental-compression operation. i see what you mean
trinque: Framedragger: my criticism is that I specify what constitutes the relationship between customers and addresses each time I use the relationship.
Framedragger: can materialized views use joins in the way you want to? i haven't looked into them for some time, so dunno.
trinque: why the fuck can't I name and reuse "joins" in SQL ? ☟︎
trinque: Framedragger: I'll give you a morsel to chew while I make coffee
mircea_popescu: jurov pity, because i'd have asked for "all strings are unicode strings". should have fixed it right and proper.
Framedragger: i'd actually like to see a coherent and all-in-one-place SQL / RDBMS-as-a-general-model critique some time. maybe it exists. usually it's mongodb hipsters complaining randomly, so i'd developed a (too-)generic "ignore 'em all" filter :p ☟︎
mircea_popescu: can i put in a feature request at this juncture ?
jurov: asciilifeform: slime for vim is named slimv, i have tried it and it had almost all the functionality of emacs one... when it worked :( needs more eyeballs.
Framedragger: ah yeah, i recall you mentioning 'sql explorer' (for phuctor data iirc) trinque. ambitious but delicious project
trinque: this whole thing actually describes something I have been working on for quite some time.
mircea_popescu: i guess you ip-whitelist if it gets bad.
Framedragger: as long as the 'check hash' operation is quick enough, otherwise DoS magnet (that's a very alf'y comment i guess)
mircea_popescu: ie, can i allocate up to 0.1s /day per user ?
scriba: Logged on 2016-12-11: [01:15:36] <mats> i was remorseful, things change
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 04:54 asciilifeform: i also fucking ~loathe~ modal editors
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, i know where he's coming from. all the kids excited about counterstrike gave me about the same impression originaly
asciilifeform: i imagine that flight sim for davout would be like if mircea_popescu fucked a hole drilled in an old tree
davout: i tried a couple of times, which all ended in "wtf is this?!"
davout: i don't flightsim
asciilifeform: davout: while you're awake i gotta ask, unrelatedly, re earlier thread! are decent joysticks for flight sims extinct? you're just the fella to know the answer