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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nobody did this publicly EVER afaik ; the non-donedness of which is a variable i keep track of in mah own models.

asciilifeform: to briefly revisit upstack, when is the last time that anyone verified that all of the circulating coin (i.e. unspent outputs) can trace their descent to valid coinbases ?

ben_vulpes: i acquiesed to the inanity and made 2 nodes happen

a111: Logged on 2016-12-19 15:47 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1585541 << afaik your real problem is with http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#2790 >> and no, i do not know of any justification for this crud, imho it oughta go away and no one will ever miss it

ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1585630 << and specifically, i believe isInitialBlockDownload ☝︎

mircea_popescu: because i'm supposed to have been born as stupid as they are or wtf.

mircea_popescu: no i mean the max.

asciilifeform: it would still be interesting to have alarm bell in trb , connected to 'i booted and it looks like >$maxcoin bitcoin are circulating'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unless i catastrophically misunderstand, for so long as we continue to count gavinistic payments as actual coin, and forgo 'trace to coinbase', there is a hole wide enough to drive a tank through, for conjuring coin from thin air

mod6: i don't love this feature as it introduces complexity and an edge-case that mig-pilot needs to be aware of in the first place. but i'll consider it based on the idea that the complexity can be contained.

asciilifeform: probably. i imagine the use case for this knob is simple, 'i want to know if i've been paid, and the counterparty has no time machine, so it'll happen some time after $lastblock'

asciilifeform: mod6: as i understand it, the cure is to scan backwards until the search tree terminates in coinbases for all branches.

mod6: There are some cosmetic changes I may still make to the handling of the parameters of this function, and further testing, auditing, and validation are still required by third-parties.

mod6: Lemme see if I can dig it up, stand by.

mod6: An update on progress towards the privkey tools feature added [ import private key with scanning from a specified beginHeight ]: I have proven out the edge case previously mentioned, twice, as expected. It can be resolved by doing a -rescan at any time. So far at least.

mod6: i look forward to ben_vulpes's investgation on this.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in so far as i can tell, that union is at best a screaming idiocy, and at worst a boobytrap, it is a way to straight-out arithmetically munge a pointer without provoking gcc warning

a111: Logged on 2016-12-19 16:00 asciilifeform: as i currently understand it, you need a 'binary star' system of two lan nodes for either to actually mine

mod6: So i think you pointed at this recently: http://btcbase.org/patches/genesis#L12379

asciilifeform: ok i'ma quote this atrocity in the l0gz, because so far as i can tell, it works only by accident, and is an epic wtf:

mod6: i signed it.

asciilifeform: i killed the 'testnet' crud because wtf, why did it use variant rules from main-net.

mod6: that i do not know. but indeed a good test. set diff to 1, then generate

asciilifeform: as i currently understand it, you need a 'binary star' system of two lan nodes for either to actually mine ☟︎

mod6: i've run it myself since then for sure.

mircea_popescu: i said everyone did x, but y is good.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, you were referring to 'spin up trb node from 0 on real-life blockchain'. which more or less everyone involved has done, multiple times. his current thing appears to be the 'lan testnet' scenario i suggested a while back. where one pretends that the year is 2009.

mircea_popescu: what did i say you're no-ing at ?

asciilifeform: also imho ben_vulpes has a very spiffy project here and it deserves more brain cycles, he is actually testing the 'bitcoin on alpha centauri' scenario! i.e. replay of time, from genesis and up, in parallel universe, on trb.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1585541 << afaik your real problem is with http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#2790 >> and no, i do not know of any justification for this crud, imho it oughta go away and no one will ever miss it ☝︎☟︎

shinohai: "How did we get hacked? I just don't understand, employee information was so secure!" http://www.nerc.com/AboutNERC/Resource%20Documents/roster.pdf

mircea_popescu: oh i bet i know what it is, derps prolly use methyl glycol for antifreeze

mircea_popescu: i think fuhrer is german. prolly fraulein in latin.

asciilifeform: and i dun recall being invited

mircea_popescu is particularly annoyed because tried to play torchlight, total clone of diablo ii with ~half the ideas. i'm not sure anyone born after 1980 can even comprehend what a fucking insult to human reason that statement is.

mircea_popescu: are you fucking kidding me ? bad media is becoming deeply universalized ; i made the mistake to try and watch "black mirror" because omsone said here, it's TERRIBLE from a cinematic point of view (the idiots can't act, can't block, can't speak, can't anyfucking thing ; the whole thing's a droned on ted talk, which is the point) and now i see it everwhere. last night tried to watch film with harvey keitel and michael cain, it

asciilifeform: but yes, i can see how it might work, given as most folx who have these get their ip connectivity from same place as the tv box

mircea_popescu: much like some people can't tell blacks apart, i can't really distinguish between https-and-unicode flavouring #1 and #2

asciilifeform: but sure, i can picture how this part might work.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1585556 << i dun get it, is it at any point unclear to reader how to get in contact with the coauthors?? there is a big, fat 'contact' button, that is not enough ?? ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 01:44 mircea_popescu: ~if i am~ a drug dealer and i burn down your house, you'll what ? file a police report ? go on the local news network with a teary eyed "no one could have predicted that if i get pissy with people who break the law for a living i might end up with a burned down house" ?

mircea_popescu: i don't think you understand how software works. there's a very clear denied middle : it is either the product of a ~lone individual~, or else of a corporation. there is no multiple-people-work-without-usg-foundations-and-crap in most people's minds, because there isn't such a thing is most people's experience.

Framedragger: (by masses i mean one dude)

Framedragger: eh, whatevs. i redirect the masses to f.a.q. etc as needed.

Framedragger: i.e., maybe it's not clear because asciilifeform is too shy

Framedragger: (i clarified to him that it's not my project, dunno how he got the impression)

Framedragger: (and yeah, this dude was like, "hey nice project, how do i submit my key for testing" - cool.)

Framedragger: i think some sysadmins may want to be able to submit their ssh-rsa pubkeys themselves. and phuctor only accepts openpgp format, this needs to be converted (ssh pubkey -> gpg pubkey). so i'm adapting/stealing jurov's script and cleaning it up.

Framedragger: (metainfo was supposed to be different but i experienced a derp.)

Framedragger: um, i was testing a script, and submitted gpg key to phuctor with luzly metainfo (http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7F1646FA33357FBC152F66E66E297B4F11EF0C3B04438FDF3B254993C3A6F814).. erm, since those specific rsa numbers are already in phuctor db, it'd be safe to remove this one asciilifeform. or keep it for the luls

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm sorry ?

BingoBoingo: Camoflage https://i.sli.mg/CDco9B.png

phf: i think it's great if you only use twm/x11 to spawn a couple of xterms, so you can run your mathematica and write your Fortran simulation code. sort of a Dijkstra lisp machine, when exploratory interactivity is not the main goal. building this whole infrastructure on it was a folly

phf: unix also had a lot more of an organic decentralized approach, beyond mans i don't think anybody actual read anything on the subject of unix (a few key books, like k&r or steven's on tcpip). pretty sure people would just grab the source and learn by exploration

phf: i'm pretty sure that ai memos are enough to rebuild computing from scratch. has architectural descriptions, cpu design, fabrication, language designs, text editors ("emacs" before it was taken over by rms is described in one of the ai-memos, both as a standalone thing and as set of TECO marcos), various algorithms

phf: i think "ai research" is a mislabel, because the promise of ai was used to keep the funding going, and there is a lot of failed hacks on the subject, but the bulk of actual work was more about how to do computers

asciilifeform: (and i'm not even certain whether to count bell labs)

Framedragger: one day i fear of mircea_popescu going into recursive loop by being outraged by wikipedia definitions, using other terms to show his point, and then finding those terms to also be ill-defined on wikipedia. :)

Framedragger: hm, i guess so. seems to be the case. apparently it's a US tech company employee thingie (with some springs of PR by the companies)

shinohai: Well sorry I did that

Framedragger: oh yeah, i've seen quite a bit of this on various tor irc channels

chatter: to accept islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except allah and muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger

asciilifeform: i.e. exactly like what you have now but without cons (and hence without gc)

mircea_popescu: https://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kumxxqzg3s1qa09ek.gif << pretty sure i had a higher res version on trilema but too lazy to dig

phf: i'm pretty sure that look is permanent. i've seen it while they negotiate with a shopkeeper, while they cary bags, while they decide where to go, etc.

a111: Logged on 2016-12-18 05:09 BingoBoingo: https://i.sli.mg/eeb8sr.jpg

mircea_popescu: whereas scholarship will be i dunno, screenshots of "discussions" including no equations but a lot of "concepts" and lolpics. perhaps full of comrpession artefacts ot the point of unreadability.

mircea_popescu: and in other randomness, let there be shed a tear today for the poor wedding photographers. i mean the expensive ones, catering to an "upper class clientele" consisting of women slightly uglier than the average with fathers slightly richer. dear god these poor people, they try. they ~try~.

mircea_popescu: it's funny, at least to me, the evolution towards fetisization. coupla decades ago, hacking meant that party a informatizes whatever system, say its satellite network, and party b hacked into the said system through the novel avenue ~and used it~ to i dunno, whatever, make itself a plate of french toast.

Framedragger: pretty much, i think.

mircea_popescu: alternatively it should be standard defense of every "hacker" : dude, i didn't hack anything, i simply exploited code to release information

Framedragger: this means that next time i provide paginated and nicely indexed access to relational data to a customer, i can call the feature "HACK THE SYSTEM"

mircea_popescu: in random lulz, "**UPDATE- 4/10 22:21 EST** I mentioned in this post that it was hacked, that was incorrect of me. The person who created the list simply exploited Fetlife’s code to release information."

shinohai: "I got voice, better leave without speaking!"

mircea_popescu: 256 bits ie 32 bytes/minute i mean.

a111: Logged on 2016-12-18 05:09 BingoBoingo: https://i.sli.mg/eeb8sr.jpg

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would guess about a few bytes/minute

BingoBoingo: And unrelated https://i.sli.mg/oDlvrr.jpg

BingoBoingo: https://i.sli.mg/eeb8sr.jpg ☟︎☟︎

BingoBoingo: More medicine https://i.sli.mg/GS49R1.jpg

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-18#1585380 << grugq made a funny post at some point where he says that the notorious big's track "ten crack commandments" was all you needed to know about opsec https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYb_8MM1tGQ which i thought was cool in that phrack gonzo way, but otherwise he's yet another infosec personality with all the trappings ☝︎

danielpbarron: the default method is 'line' which doesn't use rand(). but i've recently added a method which uses rand() to choose which direction to turn before moving to the next /explore attempt

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-17#1585310 << this is when i ask what a 'miner' is in eulora (is this explained somewhere ?) ☝︎

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your kindergarten went out of business, what can i tell you.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-17#1585299 << i was referring to the actual, meatspace phenomenon where a man lacking a compass in a desert will walk in circles and die, being as no one's legs are of precisely identical length ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 18:44 mircea_popescu: mod6 you gotta get a blog. how am i gonna link a dpaste in 6 months ?

Framedragger: oh, i know the issue. damn. basically as part of its "have i archived this?" check it greps through log of "i archived this:"; the "dev" instance was crawling through a 500K logfile, the production one however has to cope with ~220M logfile. not feasible...

Framedragger: i guess you're right :/

Framedragger: ah, i was probably under the assumption that the movement was already directional, i.e. that the next-angle-choice was infrequent...

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: don't think that's nonsense - it's simply introducing a bias into choosing "which direction - left or right - should i prefer", no? or do you mean that it's not "realistic" and would look stupid? (maybe...)

a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 23:08 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-17#1585289 << yeah i was thinking mammal rng is prolly not a bad idea

danielpbarron: i don't see how moving forward more or less after having turned a random angle would change the overall pattern

Framedragger: you know, sometimes i'm tempted to write up some kind of graphics-less (otherwise it's not feasible) civ-style simulator with proper economics, including contracts, liquidity etc etc. maybe eulora is the place to explore all that hm :)

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-17#1585289 << yeah i was thinking mammal rng is prolly not a bad idea ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: '“The bottom line is I do owe over $800,000 to Stratfor, Combined Systems, and the nonexistent law firm of Puckett and Faraj...'

danielpbarron: that was from memory so apparently i memorized it wrong

Framedragger: of it in http://danielpbarron.com/drunk.txt , i meant

Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-17#1585207 << hehe pretty nice, like a monk scribing down book patch. btw danielpbarron, your Pi constant has a typo: you have 3.1415926545, should be 3.1415926535 (don't ask, i like memorizing useless stuff) ☝︎

phf: i can switch it to familiar format, but i only vaguely remember what the numbers actually mean. something about where the chunk is, and how many lines were dropped. etc.

phf: it's the equivalent of diff's @@ -0,0 +1,437 @@. i just dump whatever's being stored in patch's fields, without any special formatting