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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i, for one, do not know the answer
asciilifeform: i think that is the longest list of spampaypals-and-demonstratively-not-bitcoin i've seen since 2009.
mircea_popescu: heh. i can see it.
trinque: what am I going to do, buy fucking US stocks?
mircea_popescu: trinque i am saying - depending on exactly what one's life goals etc are ; running a warehouse full of old iron bought on the cheap is a very reasonable lifestyle choice.
trinque: huh, maybe I start an armory :)
asciilifeform: i have 2 dec alphas that are available to my l1 for cost of postage.
asciilifeform: (pretty sure i ~still~ have 1 or 2...)
asciilifeform: i will send potatoes! and old microchannel NICs!!111
asciilifeform: i saw an 'origin' sold once, for price of scrap, and it worked
trinque: yeah, I've got one of those guys sitting here too
trinque: I've been buying lots of mac mini g4
asciilifeform: it was the closest thing to what i want.
asciilifeform: i actually got hold of msdos driver
asciilifeform: i studied the one in coreboot
asciilifeform: and i bought a dozen cards of various vintage.
asciilifeform: btw i dug out, long ago, a crackpot implementation in one 'baremetal os' (actual title) of supposedly-it. it dun work on any actual iron i was able to buy.
asciilifeform: how am i to ask him, lol, he disappeared.
asciilifeform: and i'm pretty sure it came up when the finn was here. he vanished.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most folks run for the hills when i say 'yes in asm, and no you don't get to use any existing code'
davout: i'm still not convinced that the relational approach is not the correct one, as far as an arbitrary inspectable DB is required
asciilifeform: i wasted... dun even care to say how long. on this chore.
asciilifeform: the one caveat that i can think of is that it may very well turn out to be unusably slow (as in, >10min block verify), on anything but reiser. (if there even.)
trinque: this is an entirely reasonable approach and yields the same things; I would call it a db.
asciilifeform: the algo where you 'wallet' by keeping privkey AND index-of-last-block-where-this-addr-was-input-or-output are kept around, works until , in 'typical human' fashion, [l]user asks for 'fried ice', and wants MOAR, e.g., 'oooh i found a privkey in my underpants drawer, how much is it worth' or 'i want to keep priv on 2+ boxes' or, or.
mircea_popescu: trinque my comment is re a more general case, not just txn, because i am confident you'll end up stuck with a more general problem in practice.
trinque: I'd have it run along indexing mine ☟︎
trinque: I would not create indices for every transaction
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1586183 <<< are you saying that relational storage is nice, but has the high indexing cost? or am i completely amiss? ☝︎
asciilifeform: i meant - ~algorithmically~ how.
asciilifeform: trinque: if you write how to do this, i give you my word that i will read .
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1586179 << certainly not ; i can read sed. ☝︎
trinque: again, do not argue against what I have not said!
trinque: or I go cache it somewhere and that is stupid
trinque: asciilifeform: I cannot go calculate the current balance of a given address without walking the chain
trinque: I didn't say link sqlite
asciilifeform: trinque: i promise not to argue until you say exactly what needs doing that cannot be done with stock fs
asciilifeform: (does anyone understand why i put, e.g., 'v', together, the way i did? or the lamportron?)
trinque: please to not argue against things I have not said.
asciilifeform: the mega-win from 'use files on disk, in directories' is that i can explore the index with sed, grep, etc.
trinque: I could not disagree more
trinque: just predicates I want to apply
trinque: because I don't always know what the fuck I want!
davout: trinque: i was thinking more along the lines of "different use case classes might warrant a couple different pluggable storage designs"
mircea_popescu: and i have nfi how anyone fucks these 100lb, tits smaller than mine twists. anyway.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have nfi what the dimensional tolerance is , in practice.
davout: asciilifeform: i'm interested in the title
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hm i hadn't considered this. you mean the tiny girls are for tiny guys ?
mircea_popescu: i recently enjoyed a very credible thai whore. it was quite unsettling ; i never felt so much like i'm fucking a little boy in my life.
asciilifeform: davout: i recently enjoyed a very old b00k on pilot mistakes
trinque: worked fine; I move deedbot to trb to lean on trb
asciilifeform: nah but srsly as if i did not know about crackpot clients
asciilifeform: why would i give half a fuck what some rando thinks bitcoin is !
asciilifeform: if i want to flush the mempool, ditto.
asciilifeform: if i want to know where tx # .... is --- let's have it.
asciilifeform: where i can query ALL state
asciilifeform: sorta where i wanted to go with 'shiva', gimme a console
ben_vulpes: i recall now
asciilifeform: well yes, in the literal martian scenario, 'what do i do if a shell hits my trench?' 'jump up twenty metres and scatter yourself around'
ben_vulpes: aight so i can drop checkpoints.cpp then?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i complain that you construct a problem that necessarily may not have a solution.
asciilifeform: as i understand, mircea_popescu objects , that this is an imaginary solution to the quadratic, that there is no physically plausible scenario that follows this path.
mircea_popescu: that's broadly the idea - "mommy, what should i do if johnny wants to plug my virgin ass ?" "don't let him ?" "what if i can't ?" "you can" "what if magical alien from afar comes and he has magical powers and i really can't ?" "oh, no, HIM you spread for."
mircea_popescu: i am aware magic readily transmutes.
asciilifeform: and i have nfi what, if anything , is to be done about it.
mircea_popescu: yes, i'm aware various magicks are readily transmutable.
asciilifeform: it isn't magical in any sense, you and i can do it right now -- e.g., mine an alternate block #300,000 and feed it to a cornered node.
asciilifeform: g terror groups, but could punish people who fight on the other side, according to analysts. ... “How can I pose a threat to Denmark and other countries by being a soldier in an official army that Denmark trains and supports directly in the fight against the Islamic State?” she wrote on Facebook after officials took her passport. The potential 6-month prison sentence stems from the travel ban violation. Palani admitted to traveli
mircea_popescu: if anyone wants to evacuate to ba i'll get you a place to stay.
mircea_popescu: i dun think anyone disputes that.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1585879 << mats, lemme get this straight, i'm supposed to believe that obummer DIDN'T sign off on every round in that pistol? and exactly why? ☝︎
mats: i wonder what excitement is left in the days remaining to current potus
mircea_popescu: anywya, getting back to mats ' thing, i find it truly amazingthat the ustards actually have the unmitigated audacity to try and rhodesia turkey.
asciilifeform: (or rather, whether there can be such a thing as a mechanical test for 'am i in an alley')
a111: Logged on 2016-12-19 18:22 ben_vulpes: also god bless cpp, i want to know where "mapBlockIndex" is defined have to grep the fucking codebase
ben_vulpes: more frequently i just regenerate my tags file.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i too, on occasion.
asciilifeform: e.g., http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option&_i=mapBlockIndex
asciilifeform: i do
ben_vulpes: also god bless cpp, i want to know where "mapBlockIndex" is defined have to grep the fucking codebase ☟︎
ben_vulpes: i do not see this 'win' as bugful.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1585867 << fyi i successfully used this method to get the node somewhere into 200k block height on a airgapped libretto by transferring blocks over rsr232/ZMODEM. couldn't get it any further because started getting weird memory issues, i suspect 1.6gb is not enough.. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: if martians produce longest chain with greatest difficulty i think by the rules of the game they own bitcoin ☟︎
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i disembark this train shortly, but yes lets
mats: i'd read it
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i have nfi why you and mod6 did not pick it for a release, can only answer for myself. yes, the hardcoded header checksums thing is ridiculous. but no, there is such a thing as a historic, immutable planet earth blockchain, and trb ought to include default-on sanity check of ~some~ kind for long-ago blocks.
ben_vulpes: embarassing as it is that i'm only now finding that trb doesn't solipsistically mine, i did determine that it validates the whole chain.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: all of the blocks in my chain validate per trb. (at one time i suspected that they would not -- but they do.)
ben_vulpes: yeah i hadn't seen one. doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
asciilifeform: i even had it eat a blockchain that mircea_popescu gave me, from some box he had, iirc, continuously ran since the old days
a111: Logged on 2016-12-19 14:30 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1585556 << i dun get it, is it at any point unclear to reader how to get in contact with the coauthors?? there is a big, fat 'contact' button, that is not enough ??
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i did, several times
a111: Logged on 2016-12-19 17:36 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes managed to fish it out. so : incorrect txn validation leading to improper coin generation was found on august 6th 2010 ; the fixing version is 0.3.10 (15 aug). because block validation rules change there, i'd expect all blocks prior to that date to not work in any sane eatatron.
asciilifeform: this was in the 'complete words of satoshi' deadtree i bought some years ago
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes managed to fish it out. so : incorrect txn validation leading to improper coin generation was found on august 6th 2010 ; the fixing version is 0.3.10 (15 aug). because block validation rules change there, i'd expect all blocks prior to that date to not work in any sane eatatron. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: if you'd like a copy i can get you a link later today
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579351 << i have archived everything on that www-cgi endpoint now ☝︎
ben_vulpes: i just demoted the entirety of my todo list in favor of this mining thing, which is actually a subtask on a thing for mod6
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm experimenting with not-attempting-every-possible-thing-with-own-hands
asciilifeform: hey you wrote it, ben_vulpes , so i'ma save the glory of the discovery for you!111