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asciilifeform: somehow i thought that 'an mp' is almost definitionally a d00d who knows ~exactly~ what he wants, and thrusts in that direction, rather like the edge of a knife orients force
mircea_popescu: from what i read of the mythical founder, he read very much like a young naggum / gl
mircea_popescu: at least in intent/intuition i can see the cat-v, wanted to be tmsr, didn't know what it wants or how it goes thesis.
asciilifeform: i'm not sold that it was 'fledgling tmsr' of whatever kind
mircea_popescu: i thought node.js is now called io.js anyway
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'd genuinely lul over discovering that this exists
mircea_popescu: i thought it was java
ben_vulpes: i kid, i kid.
ben_vulpes: "i did not choose the nih lifestyle, the nih lifestyle chose me"
asciilifeform: 'I made this half-pony, half-monkey monster to please you / But I get the feeling that you don't like it / What's with all the screaming? / You like monkeys, you like ponies / Maybe you don't like monsters so much / Maybe I used too many monkeys / Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?' (tm) (r) (j. coulton)
asciilifeform: i will add that it is not clear that you want to link whatever in cl.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-27 22:16 ben_vulpes: not indefinitely postpone releasing this vpatch while i wait for stan to release an ada cryptor and link that from cl
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591442 << good habit, one which i would like to encourage where possible : not waiting for $ingredient ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i say "keep shelling to it for as long as that's what you do, but once you change that change it to something sane"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do i have such a reputation for blocking work ?
ben_vulpes: i am willing to do all sorts of stupid shit, buddy
ben_vulpes: not indefinitely postpone releasing this vpatch while i wait for stan to release an ada cryptor and link that from cl ☟︎
ben_vulpes: i am trying to figure out how to handle widely-distributed versions of ironclad not working in the way i need them to work for my v to verify hashes on press
mircea_popescu: i suppose should be invited to wot etc.
ben_vulpes: the one time i want a package manager to have the most recent commits...
mod6: ah ok. was that the pdf i didn't read?
ben_vulpes: i'm also not really in a mood to make ironclad_genesis.vpatch today
ben_vulpes: i don't want to say something like "ensure you have HEAD of the Ironclad library", i think it's more likely and more in line with waht mod6 is doing to shell out to sha512sum
ben_vulpes: so here's what i'm thinking re: ironclad
mod6: i'd actually say we're close, but we're working on some phrasing etc.
mircea_popescu: hey i'm just an idea guy
mod6: i love this stuff.
mircea_popescu: which i suppose is the main strategic direction of tmsr - in a few years they either pay us to "secure" all systems or else the systems burn down. ☟︎
phf: appcode/xcode/vs/etc. are not ~your ide~, none of this is yours. i mean it's sort of like being sent to gulag and grumbling about wheelbarrow design. of course you will, because mind, but it's not going to make your life easier
ben_vulpes: i don't usually fuck with dependencies, but when i do i want my ide to fix all of the problems for me
mircea_popescu: of course at the time dev work was cheap. i had no interest, but this actually happened in del ray casino ; and the kids were asking for less than what people threw at the sluttier ticas in chips.
trinque: look, I'm an idea guy.
mircea_popescu: as in, you know, "i'm sure this is great and all, and the not working totally incidental"
phf: ben_vulpes: it's actual the opposite lulz right now. intellij idea is excellent tool for shitstacking, but i know ok devs who stick to subltime text or vim because "lightweight" "real hacker tool", even though they lack discipline and skill to use those tools effectively. it's like "no, you should probably use this thing, so that i don't have to fucking deal with your inability to format your own source file"
mircea_popescu recalls meeting cca i dunno, 2005 maybe ? dorks were going to make a shop, made demo, mark (eldery expat, texan, totally lovely) innocently goes "wouldn't this be a lot better if it worked ?"
ben_vulpes: "i tell ya tho, all that time you spend tweaking emacs is entirely useless." *navigates to precise spot of insanity* "well that's cool, but emacs is still a waste of time, i coulda found that on github in a few seconds"
phf: ben_vulpes: "i don't know what's going on here" "ok, let's see what the source says *opens source, starts reading*" "???!?!??!??!?"
phf: asciilifeform: i literally don't spend ~any time~ learning web on my own. i simply have this unprecedented apparently ability to sit the fuck down and read the documentation/source code for longer then it takes to google twitch. spend 3 hours of reading docs??? forget about it, i might as well be a wizard of some sort.
mircea_popescu: (i also thought that it was a lulzfest to rival that wikipedia founder/retard's crazy batshit "knowledge" thing)
mats: heh, half a dozen folks i know at tripadvisor are likely still there because boss is ok with consuming a growler before noon
phf: asciilifeform: but i ~learned~ web 2.0 when it came out in 2004 or 2005 or so, back then because it was interesting new technology. literally nothing changed since then. so now web is an easy racket. despite all the "shitstack" cries there's no difference between it and other types of manure work, but the bar is so low, it is sometimes very convenient. if you're a ~good~ developer doing web, you can write your own check, write your own
mircea_popescu: i thought that was c
phf: asciilifeform: i also did physical security, actually my biggest lisp project was modifying FREEDIUS to do perimeter security on multiple large south african compounds. they needed to do coordinated incident escalation and wanted something more sophisticated then a wall of monitors
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: that'd be how i actually learned anything useful, finding a master jumping when told.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591248 << i dun see it. the whole fucking point of it is to solve the (interesting) problems selected by whoever is running it ; not the freeform "solve whatever problem you want" bs. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: i'm also experimenting with alternative identities, imagining wearing a food truck, to see "how the other half lives"
ben_vulpes: i have been considering buying a few beat up tow and box trucks and getting into the hauling of cars and storing of shit
phf: asciilifeform: i did all those. i was in security for example, doing pen testing and later opsec design. that was in 2004 though
ben_vulpes: i once sat in on a sales meeting where this security gentleman terrorized a poor nonprofit into wasting tens of thousands of dollars on snake oil
ben_vulpes: i cannot stomach the security folks
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i worked in an otherwise inexpressibly-dire and usgtronic shithole briefly where there was ~office with whiskey~
asciilifeform: i still wonder how otherwise-sane folx end up in wwwtronics.
ben_vulpes: i wonder what metrics are being gamed here
ben_vulpes: i am pretty sure this automated phone system just told me that there were 128 people "ahead of me in line", took down my number and then called me back immediately to put me on hold
a111: Logged on 2016-12-27 19:46 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591017 << i intuited the same thing, but that it didn't sha512 properly until...last year? induces ye olde pucker
a111: Logged on 2016-12-27 16:39 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1590876 << i suspect that ironclad is still one of the better platforms to audit and integrate into own ecosystem. short of waiting for p what other options do you have? ffi to openssl? the code is readable, in the past year munchkins have been adding various algos to it, so you know what to cut, but also gives you a nice blueprint of how to extend etc.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591017 << i intuited the same thing, but that it didn't sha512 properly until...last year? induces ye olde pucker ☝︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> dude... someone tell lafond if womenz dun listen it's not about the womenz. << he has comment box and I am busy with unprecedented USDA lulz rivaling unprecedented Israel lulz
mircea_popescu: as exemplified in the logs i have at least one example of guy learning to program on eulora ; and 0 examples in unity.
trinque: mod6: mind your step while I hose Unity's blood and piss out of the room.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the issue occurs on the slippery slope of "executive", as in seinfeld.
mircea_popescu: i do.
mircea_popescu: "i'm a dancer-poet slash cook-plumber"
asciilifeform: 'Sorry, not going to do it. I know I'm going to hear comments from you: "it's no problem, just do it, works great, it's how it's done nowadays, the standard of practice, everyone does it, you're old fashioned, ignore the overhead, memory is cheap, blah blah blah." Sorry: no. No! This is software complexity pollution. You need one little thing, but then it requires another, and another, and before long you're installing (and maintaini
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591202 << i have NO FUCKING IDEA why technical monkeys would wish to misrepresent themselves with this ceo business. being a ceo is entirely orthogonal on what they do, it's like a car mechanic claiming he's a fuel chemist. no good can possibly come of this. ☝︎
phf: well, these "without master" conversation always remind me of the conversations i have with uber drivers. "i'm my own boss, ese, can work whenever i want -- yeah, man, that's great, now turn left here"
phf: asciilifeform: yes! "i get lonely working from home"
phf: it's active ~disempowerment~, because opengl is already a tricky state machine, but they are trying to manipulate it by controlling a puppet that's using chopstick to toggle switches on a pdp-10 that has effects on the environment state. i'm sure ~if you don't need unity~ you can filter out all the noise, but good luck if that's your first exposure to 3d
phf: discussing the moon phases of successful appstore game releases with their shamans, i spent about an hour shoulder surfing one of the "main devs". guy was trying to get a texture to render without artifacts (ultimately it's a texture mapped to a surface in opengl and if you don't want the opengl's scaling to kick in you have to get the size just right), and literally everything that he was saying was in terms of "i read this one
phf: there's a gamedev coworking in philly, the space is primarily rented by some team that had a handful of successful releases in appstore. naturally games written in unity. they can't rent by themselves, but as a minor celebrity (game featured on appstore frontpage for a whole two weeks!1) they can share rent with a handful of other 1-2 people teams. i went there once before finding all this out, because was expecting a scene squat. after
mircea_popescu: oh, hey, I KNEW this was gonna be in there. a) "I recommend using quaternion variables to represent two things: an object's rotation, and/or a rotation which you'd like to apply to some object." ; b) "You cannot represent rotations of greater than 180 degrees with Quaternions, and when doing a Slerp() or MoveTowards() rotation with Quaternions, the rotation always take the shortest path. So if you need to rotate more than 180 ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ier to manipulate them using other representations [...] I recommend using quaternion variables [...]"
mircea_popescu: dude. quaternions. DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME OMFG i'm hyperventilating over here. to quote their fucking manual, "Quaternions have some advantages when it comes to gimbal lock and smooth interpolation. Their main downside is that they rely on advanced math -- math that even experienced developers often find difficult and confusing. [...] People very rarely interact with quaternions directly. As it turns out, it's almost always eas
phf: at some point you could easily find small collections of early gosling quotes, which are really quite harsh and were liberally in anti-java arguments, but now i can't find any :o
phf: at this point probably apocryphal, but i'll try to find the origin
mircea_popescu: phf i fear the matter was more in the vein of "mcdonalds has hieroglyphic rather than numeric cash reigsters because it uses monkeys not people to operate them"
mircea_popescu: i can see it.
phf: mircea_popescu: that's not what i meant. there are others here who talk about good or bad, where's i don't care, because the cause and effect there is so far removed from where i'm standing i can only look at it in entomological terms
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i guess the rurality point is actually very apt. just because the monkeys got force-moved to urban "developments" doesn't mean they're not still retarded.
mircea_popescu: i daresay a goto-ridden program is saner than this.
mircea_popescu: i began with basic ; it does not have this crap.
jurov: poor ben_vulpes, imo he meant the article for completely different demographic than present fine society. almost everyone i know began with barfalicious basic or turbopascal
mircea_popescu: i suspect this was built by autoshitter emulated on human head.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, how the fuck am i to come up with "DateTime.Now.TimeOfDay" ?
diana_coman: Framedragger, it's not the syntax, it's the whole "approach"; though if you find *that* acceptable, I guess you'll find planeshift code just as acceptable with all its 20-level dependency hell, mix-and-match mess of concepts (hey, what IS a concept anyway and what do you mean there is something other than interface anyway)
phf: Framedragger: i'm not saying it's good or bad, my original point stands though ~suggesting it to republic is setting yourself up for abuse~ and you can know why ahead of time
mircea_popescu: i suppose he has a point - and if you're trying to make one of those clock walls, you'll just you know, paste down the code three or five or n times with various offsets on the TimeSpan timespan = DateTime.Now.TimeOfDay; plus should one of the clocks have to go backwards you'll paste the code once more but put a minus somewhere (which maintenance will take off because automated bounds checking indicated they should - and befo
Framedragger: oh god i hear mircea_popescu's mind-cpu resetting :(
mircea_popescu: i'm going to go break things now.
mircea_popescu: every method can in principle be *fast* from a certain perspective, horseback travel is blazing cca 1100. but for making a clock appled my time budget does not exceed a quarter hour nor am i willing to do much more than A COUPLA LINES!
Framedragger: i'll link to tutorials i went thru in a sec
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: no repl but it's very easy to get things going in unity. though i found it to be clunky in the sense of not being able to contain simple project in one's head, as you have to look at parameters around the IDE/project as well as source code (parts of which are 'attached' to objects). but it's very usable.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591029 << that's already been mentioned in the blog post i linked you ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and plox do not tell me "i just assumed it does because it is the usg.this-thing and i automatically assume the usg.this-thing in all cases and for all things offers".)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-27 16:39 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1590876 << i suspect that ironclad is still one of the better platforms to audit and integrate into own ecosystem. short of waiting for p what other options do you have? ffi to openssl? the code is readable, in the past year munchkins have been adding various algos to it, so you know what to cut, but also gives you a nice blueprint of how to extend etc.
mircea_popescu: fancy we're at the sad stage of decay where i am going to use a vague memory of another as to something i myself said as a reference point.
mircea_popescu: well, good enough, i'll use it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-12-10#949583 << not quite it, but the only mention i turned up in the l0gz ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-27 03:51 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-26#1590731 << i think maybe back away slowly from ironclad lest it blow up in my face then
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1590876 << i suspect that ironclad is still one of the better platforms to audit and integrate into own ecosystem. short of waiting for p what other options do you have? ffi to openssl? the code is readable, in the past year munchkins have been adding various algos to it, so you know what to cut, but also gives you a nice blueprint of how to extend etc. ☝︎☟︎☟︎