asciilifeform: shinohai: i was playing with the ice40 ~decompiler~ -- not much use in battlefield, but does give interesting picture of how your netlist ends up sitting down on the iron

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 1) it's obviously unidirectional a->b, yea 2) aite

asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/DhCs6/?raw=true

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in ic-pr0n, http://www.clifford.at/icestorm/bitdocs-8k << spiffy example of nonpdfized ( per earlier mircea_popescu thread ) hierarchical docs ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: hey, when competitors have a habit of cutting off own heads -- almost as good as greatness!11 or sumthinglikethat

asciilifeform: )

asciilifeform: !#s visicalc

asciilifeform: ( we had, iirc, thread!

asciilifeform: visicalc crowned crapple.

asciilifeform: gotta also recall, the crapple2 comp was nothing particularly special -- commodore cost ~same and was 10x the bang for buck.

asciilifeform: lolyea

asciilifeform: d00d designed a pcb, and wrote a basic for 6502, and afaik ended there

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have yet to encounter the pov that woz 'was larger part'

asciilifeform: plenty of now long-dead and rightfully buried vendors bought $maxint ads.

asciilifeform: afaik.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: woz was not connected with the mac era

asciilifeform: which media tho?

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in monkeystan, https://archive.is/bL3CH >> 'the FCC lets you upload any file to their website and make that file publicly accessible using the FCC.gov domain'

asciilifeform: often enough the comp ( and the pathetic imitation of an os inside ) is even included in the service contract.

asciilifeform: re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707910 and g_l , this is actually sop in large industrial equip. -- NOBODY ships $500k robot and 'oh hey here's a stack of cd, install on a winblowz box of your choice', they ship with pc ( and usually display, even ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: lol

asciilifeform: phf et al : to briefly continue http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707895 -- picture an a4-sized plinth, of, e.g., 32 dimm slots. each can contain a card of sram, or alternatively of 4 ice40-8k's, or some peripheral ( e.g. nic magnetics. ) ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: and how they survived the '90s to present day. ( as in fact the last gasp of the commercialunix world )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707920 << i was speaking of the greater, imho, puzzler, of the pre-ipod-apple product line -- the comps ☝︎

asciilifeform: i could see the argument for reviews of ~vintage~ iron ( we had a number of threads on subj, incl. the meat thread in c3 ) but that's about it.

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: he won't become any less dead, from said listing

asciilifeform: it is like listing all of the bullets inside torso of a man who was machine-gunned

asciilifeform: imho it is not even a very rewarding activity, to catalogue'em all

asciilifeform: ( at same time , intel ships at least 2 independent remote anal punishment holes in chipset; then there are the nic vendors (incl. intel...) and so forth )

asciilifeform: trinque: they shipped ( and continue to ship ) winblowz rootkit in-bios

asciilifeform: trinque: possibly elsewhere

asciilifeform: trinque: can also mean 'standard fpga, because why the everliving fuck would you do anything to an fpga except to make it larger'

asciilifeform: trinque: standard iron doesn't have to mean 'standard fritz chip'

asciilifeform: and then again in pocket comps

asciilifeform: crapple, for instance, survived 1990s solely from not committing this atrocity

asciilifeform: but in practice -- not so hot

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: soft-ontop-of-heterogeneous-iron sounded like great thing back in the bad ol' dayz of pdp, bolix, et al...

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707874 << d00d forced himself into that mistake, gotta standardize the iron ~somehow~ ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( and no, did not buy a gabriel_laddeltron. though i did mail him a lappy, because he mentioned needing a new comp )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707865 << ftr, i watched it ☝︎

asciilifeform: lollamatic

asciilifeform smiles the smile of a lazy man -- dun have to do nuffin'

asciilifeform: !!rated gabriel_laddel_p

asciilifeform: phf: at some point ( and by this i mean when finished ffa / released 'p' ... ) i'ma have a large board made, with, say, 8 ice40-8k's, and row of dimm-holders... ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( rather like xilinx, if you're a reformed xilinxist )

asciilifeform: comes with 100MHz clock gen, but has pll, tunable.

asciilifeform: 512k of sram (16 bits wide).

asciilifeform: it worx. ( blinkenlichts, couplea hundred universal i/o pins, schematic published )

asciilifeform: since we're on subj, asciilifeform got the recently released ice40-8k (largest in the series) going. ( there's only 1 decent dev board for the 8k, the one released by olimex ~2wks ago ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: oh yea and parker.

asciilifeform: re fpga ( there were various 'i'ma throw something together, with 11 different closed dramcontroller, nic, etc from xilinx lib ) , a german, and i fughet who else, all similar

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707830 << say moar ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: trinque: can always kick'im laters

asciilifeform: !!up gabriel_laddel_p

asciilifeform: trinque: let the d00d say what he meant

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707767 << they want a lispm. not a 'i can't believe it's not a lispm' ☝︎

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: what part of 'no x86, no c, no unix, in the fucking box' is hard to understand?

asciilifeform: that's massive, gabriel_laddel_p

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707732 << what means 'to process..' here? ☝︎

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: got how?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'outer case limit' is somewhat of an oversimplification : the thing fitsinhead so poorly, that to this day i am not fully certain why so abominably slow ( other than the abstract fact of 5-6 layers of complexity doing their impedance-mismatch thing together )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if wall burial, put it near steel struts and other large rf-opaques

asciilifeform: 'Evil Orc Rapist, why would hot chix so much as touch you if not at gunpoint' etc

asciilifeform: aha, recall ghadafi's nurses.

asciilifeform: narrative was, Evil Orc Ruler had a wife who bought million shoes.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was supposedly about a pinoy coup

asciilifeform: ... without grease, asciilifeform is good for approx 20min, at high noon. even carries dosimeter thing.

asciilifeform: ( nfi how this worked. but i brought none of the horrible grease i need to avoid lobstering back where i live, and burned 0 )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i liked the apparent nonsunburniness of the ar sky

asciilifeform: https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/markknopfler/imelda.html << oblig

asciilifeform: imelda!111

asciilifeform: also i notice no btc

asciilifeform: waiwaiwai

asciilifeform: '[$500] Windows Backend'

asciilifeform: '[$100] add PDF file generation (PDF backend)'

asciilifeform: 'I've decided to build my own company TurtleWare. It is meant to abide by the values and principles I believe in. I have a strong sense of aesthetics.'

asciilifeform: http://turtleware.eu/about.html << looks like could be a scot neh

asciilifeform: that looks high for an opensores proj but rather low for a funded op of whateverr kind

asciilifeform: 'Our current financial status is $1,429 for bounties and $267 recurring monthly contributions from the supporters (thanks!).'

asciilifeform: aa

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun follow..?

asciilifeform: g_l

asciilifeform: i dun recall him ever mentioning etherism

asciilifeform: phf: my main prob with clim wasn't even a bug in the proper sense of the word, but the ~unspeedupable basic design

asciilifeform: 'Хоть врач больному ухо спас, Но выколол случайно глаз' (tm)(r)

asciilifeform: dunno, my (argentinian!) car-fixer, actually fixed...

asciilifeform: 'fixed the muffler, but took a torch to the engine block'

asciilifeform: can you picture, e.g., 'd00d fixed my car, some percent, but crowbared the windows' ?

asciilifeform: phf: elaborate plox what means 'actual progress.... though some percent of it wrecker'

asciilifeform: ^ appears in past thread

asciilifeform: !#s jackdaniel

asciilifeform: i dun think these exist where there is food..?

asciilifeform: exists in as much as weight varies and so massless man exists somewhere

asciilifeform: sorta whole point of apprenticeship ( and later, in moar decayed times, schools ) is to ~inflict~ this transformation

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it #includes<> an even nuttier notion, that the unknowing can transform ~selves~ into the knowing, without external prod

asciilifeform: g_l wrote that he ended up here via my www, but often it is not clear to asciilifeform what he read, and what -- absorbed

asciilifeform: asked the q ' so what didja ~change~ in clim etc ' and no satisfactory reply

asciilifeform: i have genuinely nfi re g_l , what he spends his time on, after seeing the film

asciilifeform: bryan ( kanzure ) is in asciilifeform's meat l2 for many yrs, but imho remains a border case