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mircea_popescu: anyway, /me tires of #rust. there's been 500 join/parts and strictly one line ("<clmg> How do I borrow a vector mutably while iterating over that vector? Is it possible?") in the past 3 hours.
ben_vulpes: CoC has been a warning flag forever
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gExZMLrIvWI << pretty lulzy as far as entomology goes. tl;dw : infantile beta male with a history of derping about how "boyish" everyone else is.
mircea_popescu: hurr. stomp a sjw face today.
mircea_popescu: "Your free speech is not our problem. We recognize that this policy is a restrictive political stance. That is the intent. If you want a room with different rules, go create one."
mircea_popescu: oh unsurprisingly enough rust has a "code of conduct". this is getting to be signal-positive : if $item has "code of conduct", $item is comprised of idiots, imbeciles and their handlers.
mircea_popescu: but as the months wore on (no fucking kidding, half a year +, 2-3-5 a minute, every minute, no exception, i've seen by now 10`000s of ips doing THIS and this only) i started thinking maybe i'm the stupid one here ?
mircea_popescu: at first i thought they're trying to spam trilema, and doing it from central ip but inept enough to not realize that the custom error message trilema spits if you try this is NOT a success (ie, matching for failure, and failing to move on). ie, stupid.
mircea_popescu: (+http://www.google.com/bot.html)" s:12:"QUERY_STRING" s:0:"" s:13:"191.101.6.178" s:14:"REQUEST_METHOD" s:4:"POST" s:11:"REQUEST_URI" s:11:"/xmlrpc.php" s:18:"REQUEST_TIME_FLOAT" d:1484362254.992538928985595703125 s:12:"REQUEST_TIME" i:1484362254 s:4:"argv" a:0:{}s:4:"argc" i:0 }
mircea_popescu: this is utterly incomprehensible. so there's this bunch of bots that keep making empty post requests, identify as googlebot. here's a sample : ☟︎
asciilifeform: speaking of shitware lelz, i have here a toy comp that logs in 'with finger', and after the incident with the cement, guess wat!!
trinque: emacs is already a monstrous amalgamation itself, before dbus
mircea_popescu: every once in a while it'll happen that a retard has a good idea and fucks it up in the implementation. this is unavoidable, and some dirtying of hands will occur.
mircea_popescu: this has not so much to do with them and a lot to do with satoshi being a derp.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hm, interesting. though no one ought to be surprised to not find a phf & co. for $randomshitlang
mircea_popescu: well imagine those schmucks, born in 1910, starved duyring puberty, while orphaned by influenza, then spent their adult years at war, by the time they were 40 they had a cot of their own and enough fleas to satisfy their dog best friend, because woman was old and ugly already when they met.
mircea_popescu: but at the risk of repeating myself, here it is again : esr, fabled luminary of the "blabla programming style" failed to get his thing done in a week. mp, fabled terrorist, managed to get his thing done in a week.
mircea_popescu: autofucking of girlies "from grindr" is a) trap and b) herpes.
asciilifeform: i will confess, at one point i contemplated a 'vtronic bsd', but i have difficulty mustering any further enthusiasm for keeping unix on life support
mircea_popescu: so it's a bit of a pointless victory of the imaginary kind.
mircea_popescu: so the point is essentially moot. yes, if anyone gave a shit "they'd form their whole worldview through watching cnn". the problem is that the people watching cnn aren't goingto ever form a worldview anyway, and the people who will ever have formed a worldview don't watch it.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing that'll turn taaki into a human being.
asciilifeform a bit skeptical
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is 'download', and there is 'distill from unicorn juice', and i suppose there is, in mircea_popescu's case, 3rd button on the dial, 'ask friend to do it'. but i do not know of a 4th button.
whaack: i asked for one a long time ago but i never got the game working and didn't save the dpaste message unfortunately
trinque: but have a hard time justifying the effort to myself any more than other half-measures.
trinque: I have still on my disk a semi-working portage on openbsd
whaack: mircea when you got a sec could you give me a Eulora account?
asciilifeform: i soured almost totally on openbsd when i labouriously set up a box, with all of the proggies i rely on for daily use, and found that emacs COULD NOT be de-poetteringized without eschewing the ports system entirely
asciilifeform: a respectable linux will include a knife for mercilessly cutting through this 'web'.
trinque: but there are only a few gems out there left
a111: Logged on 2017-01-14 01:28 mircea_popescu: aqnyway, the "hive mind" is fucking comedic already. FIVE YEARS with the subverted python, got them nowhere. close to five years pushing rust, nothing to show for it. systemd is still mostly a joke, and the hatred is growing exponentially while the pustule is growing logarithmic at that. meanwhile the republic cracked open the heartbleed in quite the painful fashion, no matter how much effort went into "rehappening" it. not t
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602699 << joke, joke, but go an' download a nonbastardized cd-installable linux. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-14 01:07 mircea_popescu: a patch can only apply if ALL of its antecedents are present ; not if ANY of its antecedents are present
mircea_popescu: all the bad hbo productions cranking up to 11 a theoretical future in which everything is "mobile" and "intelligent" by default ain't gonna make the fad not be a fad.
mircea_popescu: aqnyway, the "hive mind" is fucking comedic already. FIVE YEARS with the subverted python, got them nowhere. close to five years pushing rust, nothing to show for it. systemd is still mostly a joke, and the hatred is growing exponentially while the pustule is growing logarithmic at that. meanwhile the republic cracked open the heartbleed in quite the painful fashion, no matter how much effort went into "rehappening" it. not t ☟︎
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> a patch can only apply if ALL of its antecedents are present ; not if ANY of its antecedents are present << this.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : blog.rust-lang.org went away. there is a https://archive.is/pwdGh however.
mircea_popescu: well yes but this isn't necessarily a criterion is it ?
mircea_popescu: and i thought win-32 is actually a codependency for ver_now_5_4 alongside thermonyukyoolar.
mod6: whoops, missed a space & comma above
mod6: Anyway, wanted to spend a few minutes elaborating on my latest battles; I'm making progress, but still need some time to get it straightend out.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, me reads " Eric, a year ago I came to similar conclusions. Watching the chaos on the mailing lists and IRC channel,", proceeds to join #rust, is shocked by the sound of utter silence. maybe the guy meant join/part spam, who knows. nice going anyway.
mircea_popescu: a patch can only apply if ALL of its antecedents are present ; not if ANY of its antecedents are present ☟︎☟︎
mod6: So I'm thinking that I need to add an additional check to ensure that every vpatch has a corresponding, existing, antecedent in the current flow.
mod6: And for that one edge, it does make sense, but since that vpatch changes more than one file, this causes a problem when the files being changed do not aligh.
mod6: Since this is a multi-edge edge case (for lack of a better way to put it), this happens.
mod6: So basically what I'm seeing is that, once I discover my proper decendants, I also need to reverse check the graph for ~existing~ antecedents to ensure that a proper press can happen.
mod6: You see, when I've tested this in a single edge graph system -- a simple test vpatch set, this problem doesn't occur. a->b->c->d->e, remove 'c', and you just have a->b -- my current implemntation does this fine.
mod6: So basically, the deal is, that when using TRB, I have one user in my wot, say "mod6", and I drop out a vpatch from the flow, say "asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip.vpatch" by moving it's seal to "asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip.vpatch.mod6.sig.foobar", then I expected a few things to happen.
mod6: I've created some new tests and all of which have been looking good. But then I noticed what seems like a problem on the last, new test, to implement. In fact, it was the last step of the last new test.
mircea_popescu: i picked a random number, not to be taken seriously
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no contest. 1st rule of history vs feeling, is that the folx who inhabited 'history', largely didn't give half a fuck
mircea_popescu: density is a function of tech and strictly that.
asciilifeform: (it contained the familiar ~deliberate~, not at all a result of intellectual sloppiness, conflation, of 'genetically modified' and 'monsanto')
mircea_popescu: it's funny how each little churchlet of the "reason&science" persuasion has a very carefully not named devil or two.\
asciilifeform: orlov is a (sometimes entertaining) stooge, but not of moscow. of 'agenda 21' or whatever it is called now.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform random nonsense aside, i also don't believe fusion is +ev in a practical sense. obviously if you can be arsed to gather together enough hydrogen you get your own star for free. but that's about it.
mircea_popescu: usg came up with idea of hiding the tax burden under spurious headings, dorks imported it somehow. then ten years later "obamacare is not a tax". sa mori tu ?
mircea_popescu: what's with all the idiots counting "regulatory cost" as a thing in the first place ?
asciilifeform: he devotes, for instance, entire chapter to defending 'fission power is -ev' by... guess... counting 'regulatory cost' as a constant! as if it were fact of nature
mircea_popescu: i don't care about stupidity per se ; organised stupidity of any kind however is a different matter.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes ; moreover i'm talking about a very specific "intellectual" thing. not in any sense intended for mass consumption. intended for perenity. ☟︎
asciilifeform: it is interesting, more so they made it for ~themselves~ than even for the orcs. you go to a 'hip' washington b00kstore, and 'russia' section, 100% gulag, with a few ivan iv.
mircea_popescu: i find it quite amusing that esr tried to do ~exactly what i just did, except with much more rudimentary tools and with much less interesting results. idiots living among idiots ALSO has a cost eh.
mircea_popescu: that's a different thing.
mircea_popescu: not exactly ; there's a particular vein of competent orc being developed here.
mircea_popescu: re the soros book : it's not terrible, there's a certain political bent to it but i expect you're immune. like how human doesn't catch most rat viral strains.
mircea_popescu: a decade ago this shit used to be a bad joke at best. now it's all the maga that's left.
mircea_popescu tried to watch "her", which supposedly is a movie. it is not. it's a fucking "movie 2.0". it's like these contemptible imbeciles agreed everything in cinema must have rounded corners now. the same inept muzak, a dude on a cello or a piano or a single instrument going SINGLENOTE SINGLENOTE SINGLENOTE SINGLENOTE SINGLENOTE. this is now music.
asciilifeform: eal work (the servo engine), and meets the necessary criteria of being a strongly-typed, non-GC’d, safe, bit-level language that supports generic programming.'
asciilifeform: e bed and collapsed. This former interbellic country gentleman – vineyard owner and horse breeder in the foothills of the Leaota Mountain, denounced by a friend, arrested and beaten by the Securitate in the time of Dej because he had hidden some “cockerels” – had now exhausted all his energy for the sake of a bit of meat on the bone. Later, struck down with sclerosis and bedridden with semi‑paralysis, he was to come round o
asciilifeform: ^ doesn't seem like a notion in particularly dire need of disproof tho. just as 'why bricks cannot birth rats'
mircea_popescu: as good a statement as any re why moore law can't ever produce ai.
mircea_popescu: the price for its light is a definite limit in time ; it will eventually grow hot.
mircea_popescu: well... you will need a new definition then
asciilifeform: sunlight is ~the~ good but also not problematic, because it dun give a fuck whether anyone asked for it or not, and there is no credit card slot to pay into for it.
mircea_popescu: which brings the problem back home : most of the problems you discuss have a huge language externality.
mircea_popescu: in the absence of a forum, it's the only workable way.
mircea_popescu: i was thinking more in the lines of, shooting obama. puts him out of his misery of pretending like he's a person.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was just observing shooting is a public good by your definition. not practical to keep it from freeloaders, still has a cost.
asciilifeform: and yes it is a somewhat promisetronic thing. no need even to go as far as bank. go an' see what happens if you want 1000 amps from your mains connection.
mircea_popescu: yes. nothing can be qs, not in this world, which is why your definition of "public good" is not a definition.
mircea_popescu: this is a fiction, which may be convenient for personal reasons. but nothing is like this. note above : we have an infinity of chatlines, literally, avaailable each day. nevertheless, the bot is vaguely constrained.
asciilifeform: only if you have a miniature black hole, with endless appetite, in your city.
mircea_popescu: it's not clear to me that any engineering issues are in fact involved. all i see are purely psychogenic issues improperly welded to the foregoing. you don't need nor can have any meaningful implementation of "public servicves", not ever. getting oneself to believe the contrary is a strange exercise in contorsionism
asciilifeform: because 'republican city' is not a subj i am deeply familiar with.
asciilifeform: it isn't even a subj particular to lisp.
phf: that's not a bad idea
mircea_popescu: you laugh ben_vulpes , but consider that a 15yo mp, much more imperious, much less sexually and otherwise pacified, had to go to school. PUBLIC school.
ben_vulpes: you only need a phf to teach noobs if the noob is you
mircea_popescu: phf if you feel like it, you can do a weekly lisp class by appointment, look in the log when there's usually holes and intersect with your schedule and there you go.
ben_vulpes: the fun parts were fun, i learned rather a lot, i have a deeper hate of irc than i did a week ago...
phf: asciilifeform: just look at the chainstate log. that's how it was. but on one hand it became impractical to prefix every time. and the other reason is that c*ndi_lustt is not a repl bot by original design. "BRAIN" function supposed to take arbitrary text, and process it. in order to actually get to repl you have to use "c*ndi_lustt eat <url>"
mircea_popescu: both wanting a clean channel and wanting a repl bot are legitimate wants, neither necessarily has to yield to the other, we see how it goeth.
phf: asciilifeform: there are two incompatible eating methods, "eat" function and the ^( mode. i added the latter for my own convenience, because number of times i want to type a sexp is way higher than a literate string that opens with paren. obviously doesn't scale to a channel full of people, who have much less need for a repl bot
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the idea is for this to be a toy-level learn-lisp item ; can't add a "AND IF YOU DO ARCANE THING YOU DIE" coda.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes iffy, too promisetronic will cause a bunch of hurt fingers.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i don't want her to do anything specifically, but she also can't answer to a single-open-parens control sequence
ben_vulpes: if you want a default that'll persist over reboots so she does at least something, i can jam that in there