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mircea_popescu: i always suspected alf wants
to write
this for himself by himself lest corruption ; but nothing wrong with published imago.
mircea_popescu: vcompare,
takes sha
tree and keccak
tree, and certifies whether same
tree or not same
tree.
mircea_popescu: this is conceivably a useful
tool, but imo not properly
thought of as "vtron".
phf: asciilifeform: please
to clarify, do you mean
that you can say run "./vpatch < foo" and if
that fails you run it as "./vpatch -t sha < foo". or are you saying "./vpatch < foo" and it attempts
to, internally, first keccak
then sha?
mircea_popescu: well no. "try keccak, if it fails let operator opt
to
try sha".
phf: mircea_popescu: no i
think he's saying "try
to hash in both formats and
then make a guess if one of
the formats succeed"
mircea_popescu: phf i just read his
thing in
terms of "explicit flag, k by default".
phf: asciilifeform:
the approach
that came out of last
thread was "explicit flag", i.e. -t sha/keccak, but attempting
to hash both
then choosing one if one succeeds or bail as you suggested is not bad,
though dwimy
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 16:22 mircea_popescu:
think of
the whole opposability angle, will you. 1. alf : "your summaries suck" 2. bimbo "master, is
this
true ?" now i'm stuck. i'm not going
to do a 3.b. "yes, because i like him" and i can't do a 3.a. "yes, because ~SOMETHING~" as
the something's an undefined symbol.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851696 << "granpa, why is
this extension 75 characters long ?" "well see sonny boy, back in
the day of planet earth
they decided
to keep changing it, and well...
time passed, and wel... you now must
type 75 characters of history you don't know"
☝︎ mircea_popescu: because it fragments
the sensata-perceptible identity of
the v.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: no, afaik
this is ~what we came
to in discussion with phf re support last.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 15:32 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851642 << btw mod6 , diana_coman , one possible cut of
the knot would be if new vtron were
to have algo where it
tries keccak 1st,
then if fails,
tries sha512 and ~loudly warns~ ( can be off by default , and enabled on cmdline )
mircea_popescu: i currently dun know a pill for
this ; but no new extensions, it's a
terrible move.
mircea_popescu: now as
to new extensions... imo bad idea.
there's manifests and
things now.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but yes --
the idea very sharply is : use keccak for new work ; whenever have
the
time and inclination move old work
to keccak
tree also.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-25 19:40 mircea_popescu: follow
the mainline. whole fucking point is
to move vpatching
to keccak mechanism. don't genesis on
the old style why would you.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-08 00:05 mircea_popescu: keccak came out of
that. it's all in
the logs.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 12:34 asciilifeform: diana_coman:
this is how we
typically do standardizations, yes
mircea_popescu: but
the feeble mercantilism attempts
they implement can't possibly apply
to non-yokels, wtf.
mircea_popescu: well is your business registered and
the name on
the packaging ? if no,
then no.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Right, which means
the next
task is finding someone in DHL who can understand
that.
That I am a BUSINESS, man.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dude,
this is for
their local morons. you're not a local.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: DHL's line at
the level I engaged
them so far is "Personas fisicas" get 2 dispatched "compras de exterior" paying
tax and all
that. In spite of more
than
two already making it
through
thus far DHL's niggers are stuck on
this. But
there's another level of insanity
to
this retardation.
nicoleci: wow you know, i was just about
to say
the same
thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform entirely possible. but
the whole art
then becomes : "how not
to fuck onself over while in
trance".
nicoleci: diana_coman: i
think its what hanbot calls
the bathroom :)
mircea_popescu: there was never a
time ingenuity, specifically as
this almost-endearing-often-infuriating-wilful-blindness was never part of
the
term.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 20:29 asciilifeform: kanzure: i and ~50 other folx, lost jobs, because it proved ~impossible
to persistently force $valuableprotein secretion in ecoli
mircea_popescu: and
this at a
time when
the major problem of
the french was
the resurection of socrates' daimon, "the genius in
things"
mircea_popescu: engineers. which, you have
to understand, is an import from french, where it meant "ingenuity-ist"
nicoleci: so what would you call
the people who made
the grandfather clocks, steam engine.. etc?
mircea_popescu: profession ? i never yet
that baker confused by
the loaf of bread.
mircea_popescu: we
talk about a pain. i go in with one idea, he examines and has a different idea.
the quality of his examination is such
that i yield in
the process, and gladly. look
that indeed, clinical practice does something, it's evident he's got a better scent
than i had.
mircea_popescu: understand how professional medicine is : i am myself, and
this fellow is a most eminent specialist in his field, with decades of practice in
the us, and in his entire being as perfectly intellectually respectable as i could ever ask for.
mircea_popescu: engineering never was an honest profession. much like medicine. it always wanted
to be, and most of
the
time very earnestly
tried
to be. but it never actuially made it ; not at
the
time of
the organixcally-multilayer-compensated grandfather clocks, not at
the
time of steam engine, not at
the
time of
tanks and planes, not at any one
time.
mircea_popescu: you know
they propped
the great railroad on
top of snow and it collapsed ?
mircea_popescu: meh, wolverhampton is actually in
the midlands. whatever, switch in london and edinburgh,
the point is -- one always has a further mind into which
to retreat & even nobler suffer
the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune.
mircea_popescu: the next day, same man, same chair, newspaper
tells
tale of
this wolverhampton rapist murderer arsonist & jaiwalker
mircea_popescu: nicoleci in
the classical formulation, at a
time when scottish-english rivalry was a poignant affair, respectable middleclass scot was depicted sitting in his
tea chair with
the newspaper, and reading about a linconlshire rapist and murderer
mircea_popescu: how subtle
the sweetness of
the nature of delusions is!
nicoleci: may i also point out
that its a very engineer
thing
to say, actual engineer
nicoleci: and suffering i am using a chromebook of all
things..
mircea_popescu: it is
the regular shock of everyone here
that everyone else here exists. prolly should be
the
topic, really.
nicoleci: mircea_popescu: sure i will do so,
thats a good suggestion.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, yes, it's not exactly a rare
thing unfortunately
mircea_popescu: nicoleci PeterL has a point : start adding a log link
to
the summary lines, so people can look further if
they want.