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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i tried, recall, this.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 03:00 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598945 << afaik the problem of how to archive remains open. i've though about truly dr.mengele-grade solutions: e.g., spin up os-cum-graphic-wwwbrowser in emulator, capture the rendered payload as bitmap, then destroy the universe, each time. treat www as nintendo rom!
phf: fwiw i wouldn't say they are "trapped". as i don't think they care about anything else. they don't keep up to date with microsoft modern and bestest. they still release ms stack software with xp compatibility for example
mircea_popescu has nfi, i'll believe.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598946 << i thought that was more of a south korea / banking driven thing, not so much japan ☝︎
asciilifeform: and since he's asleep i will predict what he would say, 'stfu, the perfume smells great, even if it is exactly same one you smelled decade ago without me, and i'll get the bubonic plague underneath out later!'
asciilifeform: (i will admit that until watching the film i held out hope that g_l ACTUALLY fixed the thing. but turns out -- no dice.)
asciilifeform: i can still WATCH the fucking scrollbars draw.
asciilifeform: (and yes i watched the film)
asciilifeform: it is especially entertaining to asciilifeform that this was brought up, because in so far as i can tell the entire masamune thing is precisely an instance thereof, in its domain.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo : if/when my auto gives up the ghost, i'm getting another ~2003, and not because cheap, but because wtf omfg firmware?! ☟︎
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598613 << Until you get a mailing address a better question is "What are the dealbreakers I should look for on a 2003 Saturn L-series?" ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598911 << apparently while i slept in my cave, jp went down the same toilet as everybody else: honda had a ~firmware bug~ recall recently , power steering controller crashed while in motion, users instructed to reboot motherfucking auto! on roadside ☝︎
Framedragger: ahh. so you'd e.g. have a 'weaker' key (with a certain limited degree of trust) which could sign those kinds of abonimations. pretty elegant! (also disregard my "impression of strong wot" comment, i had misunderstood)
asciilifeform: (thread was iirc originally about a vtronic gentoo cleanup, and i noted that nobody with half a brain would sign a gig of dubious rubbish code with their naked, unvectored lordly key)
asciilifeform: and i am quite convinced now that no cleaner answer will be found.
Framedragger: creating an impression of a strong wot and so on, i see. ☟︎
asciilifeform: and yes i have nfi what is with this preoccupation with charging each other pennies for a ~0-cost pipeline
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: suresure, i agree that it'd be fine, but i expect someone could concoct a "sybil account keeps draining pennies" argument.. but eh. yeah.
phf: asciilifeform: i said ~at least replicate archive.is~
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: i think asciilifeform hates the idea of trusting fleanode to maintain nick-to-identity mappings. the !!up/down model was *supposed* to eliminate gribble-like state anyway, right?
ben_vulpes: we have a log attributing lines to wot members whence this nonsense i ask you
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i think ben_vulpes intends to say that deedbot's forthcoming payment service could keep track of invoicing
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm not pulling out the fucking launch codes to sign a beobachter url omfg
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 03:00 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598945 << afaik the problem of how to archive remains open. i've though about truly dr.mengele-grade solutions: e.g., spin up os-cum-graphic-wwwbrowser in emulator, capture the rendered payload as bitmap, then destroy the universe, each time. treat www as nintendo rom!
Framedragger: asciilifeform: actually what i also like about archive.is (don't get me wrong, i agree that trusting a service run by some d00d not in wot isn't super future-proof, ahem) is that it *does* save a bitmap rendered image for the site, too
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I didn't think dogs, especially big dogs had a concept of "plenty" when it came to peanut butter.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598945 << afaik the problem of how to archive remains open. i've though about truly dr.mengele-grade solutions: e.g., spin up os-cum-graphic-wwwbrowser in emulator, capture the rendered payload as bitmap, then destroy the universe, each time. treat www as nintendo rom! ☝︎☟︎☟︎
Framedragger: pete_dushenski: i haven't checked, but `wget --page-requisites $URL` may be enough for the latter.
asciilifeform: i at one point wanted to use the mighty 'super-H' (ss in sega) chip, salivated over the manual, but turned out, all the dev tools from vendor are microshitian, and even the ~example sources~ wouldn't unpack without some microturd
Framedragger: (and in regards to duplication of effort, technically yes, i think (though you're advising web.archive.org'd sites to be then submitted to archive.is, right?), but that can't be a bad thing. additional prudent advice could include "how to save local copy with images and stylesheets" note, i guess..)
phf: adlai: i agree, it's a general graph, rather than a tree, has loops etc.
mircea_popescu: phf ben_vulpes : it won't corrupt anything if the berkley db is ran in "detached" mode, which it prolly should be. i don't recall if we put this in the trb or not.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 02:07 phf: i still have an issue of global namespace for vpatches. i'm not yet sure that they need namespacing. it's sort of inconsequential for when you do your own press, but in terms of permanent urls you have the first come first served problem..
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598886 << in general it should be tree_author_arbitraryname ; that resolves the namespace issue i expect ☝︎
phf: that gwern's paper that i linked indirectly explains what's "right" kind of coder, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1580059 ☝︎
phf: i think if you shutdown kernel will give a grace period to stuck userspace processes and then kill 9 it anyway
ben_vulpes: did you ever grok what i said about kill -9?
ben_vulpes: couldn't tell ya, i killed the process and ran it again without the flag in question
ben_vulpes: i left -verifyall in my node's boot script for some reason, took me a minute to figure out why it was taking forever to reboot the other day
phf: i still have an issue of global namespace for vpatches. i'm not yet sure that they need namespacing. it's sort of inconsequential for when you do your own press, but in terms of permanent urls you have the first come first served problem.. ☟︎
pete_dushenski: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p "what do you think of the recent porsche cayennes?" << if you're thinking of one as a residence, i could see it.
ben_vulpes: also if you'd be so kind as to add http://cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/2017_cleanup.vpatch to your tree i'd be much obliged. if the hopper is working again just let me know and i'll dump vpatches in there
mod6: Anyway, nice chatting for a minute ... but I better get back to work :]
mod6: I like this Red Cup news.
mircea_popescu: mod6 as friend once said, "solitary confinment is just great - i take one just about every time i go to the john."
mod6: yah, im with you. i don't think i could deal with being at sea, indefiniately.
gabriel_laddel_p: ben_vulpes: incidentally, if I'm wasting my time here with Framedragger and adali, can you also negrate them so they can be put !!down?
gabriel_laddel_p: ben_vulpes: it wasn't for sale at any point when I had the old key, but I suppose that's just "faffing"
mircea_popescu: Framedragger butter sauce. i can tell by the liver-shot eyes and the wattle.
mod6: i actually kinda wanna test this guy out
ben_vulpes: it was low, then you lost your key, now i don't even wat
mod6: what about for me? can i still pay 200?
mircea_popescu: everything i hear about ovh makes me think it's a french company.
mod6: It's like 7 deg. F., but I just grilled some awesome cheddarworst on the grill. Damn they were good.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 00:51 adlai: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p and fwiw, i have somewhere in my desk-mess a whiteboard+eraser that make beatiful love without any solvents
gabriel_laddel_p: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598800 < proof by counterexample works I suppose. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 21:39 Framedragger: gabriel_laddel: i don't have much free time now, either. maybe end of next week, at this rate. re. CLIM web - any notes / writeup to help? as in, 20min of your time to save some hours of my time while helping you?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 00:48 ben_vulpes: beirc shits itself when i run it naively. complaints re no generic function for cl-irc:nickname or the like
ben_vulpes: anything other than "yeah i'll get right on it" is a "no" in my book
mircea_popescu: i dunno why he expects "i'll act like mp" will work for him, but i guess it's worth a shot.
Framedragger: ("supposed" and "putting this together" is really stretching it, but i agree that "hey i didn't commit to anything" is a really shitty attitude, of the same kind as "i hacked up loggotron but it's bad lol")
Framedragger: i told gabriel i'd be interested in reviewing clim-web etc.; he sent me a very nice email with instructions incl. setup; this was 20 dec; i didn't have time to look at it.
adlai: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p and fwiw, i have somewhere in my desk-mess a whiteboard+eraser that make beatiful love without any solvents ☟︎
ben_vulpes: i have nfi dude
ben_vulpes: beirc shits itself when i run it naively. complaints re no generic function for cl-irc:nickname or the like ☟︎
adlai: gabriel_laddel_pm | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598715 < also, it sounds like you might have been sorely miseducated your entire life. << whaddya want, he was a populist; yet in his defense, he was my first math^H^Harithmetic teacher who... how do i put this, had a mentor relationship with his charges rather than just "these are the numbers, these are their sums" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 18:31 Framedragger: mircea_popescu: ah, that's pretty cool. i see what you mean - you can see craters and the dark side still being the moon... collective delusion / cognitive dissonance something something! (and btw i meant the album but both work well in this instance..) :)
Framedragger: i was not supposed to do anything gabriel_laddel_p. stop with the passive aggressive tone already, it's annoying
gabriel_laddel_p: phf: anyways, I have suggested using a +v irc channel + CL-FTP + beirc as a "CLIM-web" so we can ditch the browser tomorrow
phf: ah, k. i just keep seeing kiwiirc in your quit
gabriel_laddel_p can barely resist the urge to stick "google toxic encephalopathy" under each air freshener I find.
gabriel_laddel_p: Godamnnit. I fucking _hate_ whiteboards and these stupid fucking "air fresheners" they stick all over the place.
gabriel_laddel_p: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598709< jesus fuck. I somehow misread this as anything other than "deadline". ☝︎
gabriel_laddel_p: netmonk: I don't want all of them (well, I do, but nevermind that) - I want the specific book & page number where knuth discusses balanced ternery.
gabriel_laddel_p: netmonk: also, I can't torrent anything atm
gabriel_laddel_p: netmonk: I've been ignoring everything you've said because it is clear you've not read 6 months of logs.
gabriel_laddel_p: adlai: anyways, iirc hackers delight is a bunch of tricks for binary machines. I see no reason why you shouldn't just skip it.
adlai: gabriel_laddel_p: fwiw, i intend to finish the hardcopy of hacker's delight that landed in my life before properly digesting the links you sent me, but out of politeness, i will skim them first.
mircea_popescu: i generally use either girl-who-works-at-agency or else expedia.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the air tickets thing -- worx, i've used it many times, fwiw.
gabriel_laddel_p: adlai: well it seems I can't have you do what I had in mind. Could you instead please review http://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~jones/ternary/ and work out some basic ternery circuts for the eventual loper machine? ☟︎
adlai: and some sorta bsd but i don't own the iron
a111: Logged on 2015-05-23 06:52 gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes in particular it's unclear to me how wise the "licenses" angle is for a serenissima derivative. while i declined to anull IP when diametric asked earlier, i am very very far from any sort of belief that the current model of that stack of stupidity has any sort of hope for survival. << i figured (perhaps stupi
gabriel_laddel_p: http://rigetti.com/ < USG.MAGA also uses CL, though I'm not clear on the particulars atm
Framedragger: well, i'm sorry if i angered you, did not intend that :)
Framedragger: this reminds me of when i earnestly tried to pull a "do you even positivism" russell's teapot "prove it" on mp re. his claims on Tor
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 18:24 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598383 << reminds me of how i first chanced upon lisp. i was eighteen, more pretentious than now, and had eaten my first hashcake half an hour ago. i was reading esr, jumped to topic of lisp and homoiconicity, and was like... d0000d. this is how you penetrate the universe. knowwhatimsayin.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i really only need it to see when it's highlighted and talk back.
mircea_popescu: i only have a vague idea of what im gonna do with it anyway, will clarify in time.
mircea_popescu: how should i know!
mircea_popescu: i suspect because of full/relative dirnames.
gabriel_laddel_p: when creating my image, why must I copy using cp -dpR /somedir/* /someotherdir/ rather than the -a flag?
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: something like that. There are a whole slew of issues: the init that Martin ships works fine, but if I substitute my own init - breaks. Among a million other things I have don't understand, such as
gabriel_laddel_p: I cannot create an image that comes with all the required goodies without breaking something or other.
mircea_popescu: for a bootloader i meant
gabriel_laddel_p: I was working from https://www.phenix.bnl.gov/~purschke/RescueCD/
gabriel_laddel_p: Yes. For one, I can't create a working livecd. Secondly, it should not touch your personal files when replicating.
gabriel_laddel_p: One of the features I need to complete is replication, which is to say: "A single procedure call being all that is necessary to bundle the entirety of the (possibly heavily modified) sources into a redistributable bootable USB stick installer or network download. "
phf: (in unrelated tooling, mc is handy. i can see why asciilifeform still uses it. you can go pretty far with the whole ofm paradigm, combine it with unix underneath, etc.)