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BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: If your mission is stopping rust what you want is to seal the area against air and moisture. A thin layer of oil based paint does this. A think rubber or plastic glop is more likely to break its seal because soft. If thin paint breaks seal it should be noticable.
Reuel: mircea_popescu is there a spec for the bot you mentioned
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: rust is cancer, but sealing it with paint may slow progesion. prolly safer to stick to "rustoleum" paint over a plastidip/rubberseal product
Reuel: Not sure whether I missed some more talk earlier, disconnected a few times, but I'll read up in the logs. Going to mull over the no free money thing a bit.
asciilifeform: the 1 publicly known 'juicy' tidbit therein was that it contained coordinates for a number of 'buried treasure' arms chests.
asciilifeform: he got a pension out of it from the reich.
asciilifeform: lead archivist of 1st directorate of kgb. also made a shed full of goodies. but in his case, the shed made it through the border, with usg help.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall a d00d called vasili mitrokhin ?
mircea_popescu: so then the tax is not a tax eh ?
asciilifeform: btw it'll be a lulzfest if one of these 'shed hoarders' turns out to have deadman switch.
asciilifeform: it's a usg court.
asciilifeform: about dissemination of information to foreign powers. But, at the same time, he is a serious risk to the public.'
asciilifeform: '...the nature and seriousness of the danger to any person in the community that will be posed by the release, it's clear that the Government sort of paints the Defendant as a walking encyclopedia of classified information. I don't know if that's completely correct, but I do know that he had access to all of this information, and I credit him, and I certainly am glad we're not sitting here talking
asciilifeform: 'So, when Mr. Wyda noted that the Court has already ruled, I'm ruling in accordance with the Bail Reform Act and the fact that the Government has not indicted under more serious offenses. So I am limited by what I can make a determination, and here, I'm limited on the issue of risk of flight. I've listened to both sides carefully, and I think that Mr. Wyda has made some very persuasive arguments.
asciilifeform: 'A long – and growing – list of respected cryptographers, including Matthew D. Green, a professor at Johns Hopkins University, Bruce Schneier, a fellow at the Berkman Center for Internet and Society at Harvard University, and Matt Blaze, a professor ....'
asciilifeform: '“The behavior described in your article is not a backdoor in WhatsApp. This is the overwhelming consensus of the cryptography and security community. It is also the collective opinion of the cryptography professionals whose names appear below. The behavior you highlight is a measured tradeoff that poses a remote threat in return for real benefits that help keep users secure…” the letter
asciilifeform: in yet-other recent hannobocks, http://archive.is/wqu4J >> 'A coalition of some of the globe’s top researchers and cryptographers are pleading with The Guardian to retract a story it published last week in which it suggested the encrypted messaging app WhatsApp contained a backdoor.'
Reuel: The democracy thing is not the main goal, just a funny side thought
Reuel: In the end art is to make people feel, some art makes sophisticated people feel sophisticated things, some art makes simple people feel simple things, and I guess as a starting artist, Im not that picky yet
diana_coman: as to the trouble there: it's more than a concern - it invalidates your "test"
Reuel: I agree the money coming in is like magic, it mirrors gibmedats a bit actually, lol
Reuel: However I do think it would be a game people would enjoy, maybe not bitcoin people though :)
diana_coman: Reuel, let me see if I get this straight: you want to implement a "small" scale model of democracy in order to test whether it works; at the same time, you propose to implement it on a model of reality that is purposefully broken because..."scope is too small for it to matter"?
mircea_popescu: how's "let's fuck the gameserver" as a promise ?
Reuel: well salries are set at the start, there is a national budget which is divided over all players, but certain laws can change the balance
mircea_popescu: yes but you need some sort of bounds for this to ripple back. otherwise it's just a free expanding system
mircea_popescu: that usually works when there's a solid underlying reality.
Reuel: the salaries. locations, jobs, are more of a setting
diana_coman: fwiw it sounds to me that Reuel precisely wants to implement the planning committee possibly as a fantasy where he thinks he can *make* it work
Reuel: Yes I agree, irl, but this would be a small time waster, are you saying that any game that gives you "free" resources is bad?
mircea_popescu: salaries come from a social negotiation, not from the fucking white house.
mircea_popescu: what does size have to do with whether something works or doesn't ? a broken engine is broken at any scale.
diana_coman: Reuel, I suggest you read & a play eulora for a while - it will help you with this
mircea_popescu: just because a bunch of irrelevant games are utterly broken means jack. a) eulora isn't broken and will kill them ; and b) nobody wants to play them anyway
mircea_popescu: "it's a supermarket item like frozen chickens, where do those come from"
Reuel: it;s a in game resource, like ehm... mana? where does it come from
mircea_popescu: A job influences what salary a player receives << where's the salary come from ?
Reuel: yeah the introduction can be ignored, this was a work in progress which should become the manual
mircea_popescu: Reuel your description is badly phrased. for instance in the first paragraph : i encounter the symbol "the best outcome for their nation", but it's not defined nor obviously supported by the introduction. leaving aside that going from "x is defined" to "x is measurable in an algebraic group which permits ordering" which is what "best" implies -- your perspective is globalist and there's no fundamental solution for a national
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608382 << this is the official acknowledgement of the receipt. likewise i saw it the first two times you posted it, but didn't realize that writing the nth copy of the logreader that you embarked on is a high priority republic business. seriously, what's with the attitude? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: conversely, the proposition that "the sum total of people that could possibly be worth knowing is equal my dunbar number" smacks a little of panglossism
asciilifeform: the latter -- is a bad dream.
mircea_popescu: hopefully there's such a limit naturally.
asciilifeform: there was a thread where 'there will be S souls on planet an' no moar'
asciilifeform: 'bitcoin on fritz-chipped box is a paypal' is a physical fact.
mircea_popescu: hypothesis IS NOT A FACT.
asciilifeform: ('bitcoin' on winblowz-crapple is not bitcoin, but a masochistic and wasteful paypal)
asciilifeform: quite likely. but i dare say, they will for the most part be sane in a non-btc-directed way.
asciilifeform: can mircea_popescu picture a planet3 with 3mn gold vaults (not pirate chest, either, but the kind with xray rig, defensive turrets, tank division) ?
asciilifeform: even earth-mars is a serious stretch, for this reason.
mircea_popescu: look, the problem is that as the empire grows, the army food supply goes from bushels to millions of bushels. "restrict legionnaire rations" is not a solution.
asciilifeform: frag-entropy, like other systemic problems with traditional bitcoin, is simply a result of misaligned incentives.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 21:56 mircea_popescu: davout the thing that SHOULD be done about it is make it work in such a way it doesn't choke in its own fumes. not that i know how to do that.
asciilifeform: first time i ~ever~ see a .zw
trinque: more of a bank than roll along, but yeah
trinque: layup's a finger roll around the side of the basket, horizontal spin on ball so it rolls along backboard and in
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> if computers-were-magic(tm) then the thing would produce a virtual infinite space and the viewport would be dragged around across it, so you could follow diagonally << This is where Qntra CSS is masterpiece!
ben_vulpes: you're absurdly tall and made out like a bandit in post-ussr ro
mircea_popescu: if computers-were-magic(tm) then the thing would produce a virtual infinite space and the viewport would be dragged around across it, so you could follow diagonally
mircea_popescu: "but what is monitor size ?" "dunno, best add a js lib"
mircea_popescu: so if "nested = 12 pixels" then you get a limit of 100 or so.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yes. you are asking yourself to come up with a number which will be larger than the largest number of nested comments people may wish to make. if you're going to think like this might as well become a c++ specialist.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 20:16 Framedragger: i'm still preferring http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503181 but granted, don't have a working "moderated but without captcha" comments solution. best i can think of is, write very light backend service to handle comment post requests, store them somewhere sensible, allow operator to accept/deny comments (could be flat text files)
mircea_popescu: that was a nasa ?
ben_vulpes: quite dead serious. nasa is a zombie.
mircea_popescu: yea einstein, you got yourself a nobel prize in global warming in the making there.
asciilifeform: and ~occasionally~ poison a rat.
mircea_popescu: yes, as a follow the motions thing.
mircea_popescu: no fucking concept of analysis, i'm not discussing hyperpeels or any nuttery, just merely the concept of hey, if it's a function i can derive it, find the inflections, DRAW IT. yes with the fucking draughtsman kit.
mircea_popescu: and most research anything have the numeracy of a stripper.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i worked in the most abject imaginable usg pits, no one gave half a shit re 401k. maybe if mega-brass.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: perhaps under explained in "if you accept the thesis" where <thesis> is entire stack of usgola. yes, 401kholder seeks to eat cheese, turn around put money into house do all the clever tricks with it. also many don't! and many like myself look at the whole thing as a stupid intellectual complexity trap not worth entertaining.
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure he published a log backup url somewhere.
asciilifeform: the last time i 'worked with' mice, i was quite convinced that they ~knew~ what is a mousetrap. and had 'sappers'.
asciilifeform: even if you only ever kept a mousetrap, you will learn this.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i dun see the hook, have staff on call 24/7. no harem, granted, but "ride or die bitch" worth a million hausfraus.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608382 << o wow ? i thought there was a protocol for this and everything ☝︎
asciilifeform: but you are not a fish.
ben_vulpes: if you accept the thesis, it ain't a hook it's a free meal.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: a rare typo
asciilifeform: or if obummer personally fellates you every time you put a hundy in
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608353 << it'll very likely stay there forever, for the simple reason that a bitcoin miner that's proper is worth money so can't be given away for free, and if it's going to be improper then alf's 2012 argument prevails and just keep the old one. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608327 << that's certainly a fine candidate. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: piece of code A which has been read 8 times by 5 peoiple is thereby better, no questions, more valuable and more useful, than the SAME EXACT piece of code A read by its author alone.
mircea_popescu: i think you book it as a loss, but it is a gain.
mircea_popescu: the regrinding is not a loss.
mircea_popescu: consider the fine case of mod6 's vtron since he said something. so he built a vtron, then later we decided didn't like how it works, he put the time in to understand the thing, fix it... all this happened because he made the first one ; and wouldn't have happened if we were just sitting 6months ago holding dicks and discussing it theoretically.
ben_vulpes: moreover there is no harm in bringing a patch for discussion, and all of this durm and strang will discourage "patches alf doesn't like" even if just in the patcher's mind
asciilifeform: again, if davout breaks his trb, and signs off on a b0rk3d proggy, it does not 'pick my pocket or break my leg', mine will still work.
mircea_popescu: perhaps your understanding of incentive is not so strictly correct. pedophile who primes 9yo girl is not necessarily wrong in evaluating her sexual value a few years before it customarily becoems apparent.
asciilifeform: pre-2012 bitcoin code is a thing.
asciilifeform: (this was in the last thread re subj, a while back)
asciilifeform: my objection is not 'davout Broke Trb oh noez!!' but to the thought process that might lead an otherwise literate d00d to contemplate a 'reference' that lacks vital organs as a valid thing
asciilifeform: but to rewind: i do not object to davout mutilating his own personal trb however he likes. however i do object to calling a trb-minus-any-wallet a 'reference implementation'.
asciilifeform: a reasonable house has 7+x over-strength.
mircea_popescu: er, when discussing things people do, especially their plans, a best scenario is to be employed, becuause people aren't fucking amelia bedelia and if they are we want to find out.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at issue is your very poor (through being inflexible) best scenario/worst scenario context switching. so : it is the habit of engineers to consider the worst scenario when building a house, which is how houses end up 3.5x structurally stronger than thyey need to be. because holy hell, what if rocks fall or the ground moves or there's very wet snow or some idiot gets confused and parks his car on your roof. howev
asciilifeform: killing gavin's remote backdoor is not comparable, it was a necessary part of 'first do no harm'
asciilifeform: 'modularize wallet' is a man-year.
mircea_popescu: the two items discussed were "modularize wallet" and "remove btc address signatures". they're in the 2-5 hour range for a very careful single engineer.