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asciilifeform: i recommend to reg key, won't repeat again.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: y'know how in old arabian tales, fella gets audience with sultan ? gets little bit to speak his bit
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: no, means that you cannot buy it presently.
verisimilitude: I take it ``unbuilt'' isn't code for ``broken''.
asciilifeform: socket sits either the current one from western inc. or period '80s unit.
verisimilitude: I'd wager I could fit an MMC targeting the 6502 in 64K with only minimal bank switching for larger programs.
mircea_popescu: !#s thinkpad
a111: Logged on 2014-11-15 00:28 asciilifeform: one would read instructions. another, turn a wrench, whatever. third would check that 2 corresponds to 1. then, all three sign under that step in recipe.
mircea_popescu: heck, current trilema header is me with ye olde hp in istanbul.
mircea_popescu: verisimilitude whole fucking republic consists of this.
mircea_popescu: beedog will replicate the politburo-computer.
verisimilitude: From my perspective, it would probably be easiest to collect several old home computers and make certain they produce identical results, to get reasonably reliable and trustworthy computing.
mircea_popescu: IN TRIPLICATE
asciilifeform: and they'll be optically visible, through window, no less.
verisimilitude: Well, good luck to you.
asciilifeform: i want my 4000 transistor cpu and i'ma get it.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: verily, i tried with own hands to source a m68k for modern manufacture, and failed utterly
verisimilitude: If you have eight instructions, you're inevitably just going to have a large amount of meta-instructions all the same.
asciilifeform: really there is no fucking reason there needs to be more than 8 cpu instructions.
verisimilitude: I'm rather fond of Big-Endian CISC machines, but those are all rather dead nowadays.
mircea_popescu: moreover, a bit of a republican standard, so liable to get more attention.
mircea_popescu: well, in any case fitter for your prototyping needs as i can see them atm.
verisimilitude: ARM is certainly a better architecture than MIPS ever can be.
asciilifeform: in fact, quite likely i'ma bake it as soon as mircea_popescu blows the trumpet and decrees that it's time.
mircea_popescu: verisimilitude you might as well get one of the rks over in the republica oriental. arm boxes.
verisimilitude: There's bits of GNU, Linux, OpenBSD, Solaris, K&R C, and other nonsense strewn about; there's Perl programs generating MIPS assembler; C programs that clearly invoke undefined behavior and so only work by chance; and other such things.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i've been looking into ( and if you read logs, will know this... ) baking a mips machine.
verisimilitude: It's because I own this hardware that I intend for the first MMC targeting a ``real'' machine to target MIPS. I decided if I ever got one, I'd try to understand it well enough to run my own software directly on the bare metal and in the boot firmware.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu rarely voices n00bs any moar these days.
asciilifeform: do it with pdp11 if you like, but highly recommend to do it asap.
verisimilitude: I suppose I can use the Yeeloong to generate a PGP key.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: you'll really want to reg with deedbot if yer interested in further doings.
asciilifeform: i ( and iirc mircea_popescu also once ) tried to buy 'elbrus' also, 0dice
asciilifeform: over the years i tried to locate one, somewhere, for some money, 0 dice
asciilifeform: extinct, sadly, item, that thing
verisimilitude: Anyway, I'm fortunate enough to own one of those.
verisimilitude: I've noticed only one result in the logs for ``yeeloong''.
asciilifeform: for roughly same purpose ( once in blue moon can pull it out and pretend the year is 1988 )
asciilifeform: the time to have the mk61 was when you were 5, i suspect
asciilifeform: there is ru proverb, 'a spoon is good at dinner time'
verisimilitude: I'll take a look.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-11 16:17 asciilifeform: here's a historical lul that mircea_popescu might find stimulating. asciilifeform ( and his brother, and a whole generation of folx ) grew up with a certain orc '100 bytes of ram, but hey it's fucking programmable' little box, http://www.alfredklomp.com/technology/mk-61 . and the Official b00k for it ( http://publ.lib.ru/ARCHIVES/G/GAYSHTUT_Aleksandr_Grigor'evich/_Gayshtut_A.G..html ) had various games (typically you had to draw on g
asciilifeform: i suspect verisimilitude will enjoy the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822445 thread. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: aaanyways. this needs some looking into
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> i'm quite certain that it can be made to. <
asciilifeform only ever built a +ver'd kernel when ran into a piece of i/o iron that could not be brought to life any other way
mircea_popescu: no, typically folks dragged by the please-upgrade.php.rss
mircea_popescu: but if this is not so, i'd much rather find out sooner than later.
mircea_popescu: "i just happened to get dragged to 3.6 line along, dunno"
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 23:24 trinque: the kernel in current cuntoo is 4.9.95, by virtue solely of being when I took the snapshot
asciilifeform: iirc phf has one too
asciilifeform: ( whoknows, maybe asciilifeform could regain his 64MB toshiba... )
asciilifeform: would be neato imho if we could bring 2.6 back to life trb-style.
asciilifeform: already begun to look into it.
mircea_popescu: sorta like a sonar blast to see under this iceberg peak.
mircea_popescu: mind giving it a seeing to ? it'll be a very useful heuristic, imo, "get rk drivers on 2.6 kernel"
asciilifeform: i'm quite certain that it can be made to.
mircea_popescu: conceivably this might run ? ie, not running currently because never tried, not necessarily because impediments ?
asciilifeform: there's another, larger one, if you want to use the hdmi display thing, but i dun use it anywhere
asciilifeform: it runs prior to uboot.
asciilifeform: the only binball is that coupla kB of ddr ram init thing. ☟︎
asciilifeform: linus et al diddled the api repeatedly.
mircea_popescu: you compiled these though ? or binball ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see, them little pogolike things, have entire constellation of entirely non-pclike subdevices
mircea_popescu: why would you have to lose rk ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i wouldn't be opposed to at least attempting to backport 3.x driverola to 2.6
verisimilitude: I wasn't familiar with that, no, asciilifeform.
mircea_popescu: im willing to bet nothing worth the mention was added since 2.6 that can't be added in an improved format to great gain.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspected the kernel thing will be uphill.
mircea_popescu: i seriously am going to have to drop 2.x kernels ? this is kinda scandalous.
trinque: plenty of places similar to uninhabited island that one can find
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i have quite a few items in own notebook similar to yours, from decade+ ago. lemme guess, were you stuck on uninhabited island ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol i have a bunch of photos just like that of timis orcs
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: then will be able to speak and come into perma-relation with other people.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: also highly recommend to make yourself a pgp key, and reg with deedbot,
mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/SjWP7 << amusingly, there's a very similar wankfest, missing the s.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i highly recommend it, right now you're in approx the position of that random fella who sat down in a cargo plane and took off on a lark ☟︎
verisimilitude: So, I should write I'm only familiar with this channel because of loper-os.
verisimilitude: I've not read them in any detail; I take it I have it wrong, then.
verisimilitude: That's just to make certain I don't start out confused.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: ever read the #trilema logs ? or just this minute found it ☟︎
verisimilitude: I wanted to make a derivative of P" and Brainfuck that was difficult to compile and also make a crude joke.
mircea_popescu: how did you come across the forum anyway ?
asciilifeform: dare i to ask what is gained from this ?
mircea_popescu: well, as to the specific question, this "mmc" item will require some looking.
verisimilitude: It either copies the program into memory or the memory to be executed.
verisimilitude: It's homoiconic with the = function.
asciilifeform: what's the diff ?
verisimilitude: I haven't done that yet, though.
verisimilitude: I've been meaning to refine it and also have a version without color.
verisimilitude: I didn't write the game, but I did write that document.
mircea_popescu: http://verisimilitudes.net/2018-08-28.read << you wrote this ?
verisimilitude: I stopped by to perhaps get your opinions or to see what you all are working on lately.
verisimilitude: I call this Meta-Machine Code (MMC) and the article detailing it in general is here:
verisimilitude: For the past several years I'd had the idea of a machine code development tool in my mind and for over a year now I've been working to breathe life into it.
verisimilitude: I suppose it would be easy to introduce myself by linking to my website.
mircea_popescu upped for liking the name. who might you be, then ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno doing what ; even something like the ssh census worked fine on 100mb interface.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, have you measured any of those gb nics you run, how often they actually gb ?
mircea_popescu: why ssd specifically ? raid is raid, can raid tape if you want.