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kanzure: US salaries are discussed in pre-tax
terms
truffles: sure is, id live for like 5yrs + on
that
kanzure: it's not as great as you
think
truffles: 150k id go in super early
too ;D
kanzure: sure. i wouldn't be willing
to go into an office for $150k.
kanzure: fuck
that, i want my headset
decimation: ascii if only some prince were willing
to pay you develop your loper-os
kanzure: definitely not high on my list of
things i'm proud of
decimation: I wouldn't be willing
to develop in javascript for $300k
kanzure: yeah i know i should read it, i'm just
terrible
kanzure: well, yes, but i stole it from
the book
kanzure: i just pretend
that i have
kanzure: and why
the product is 18 months behind
kanzure: and
then
they'd wonder why
their site keeps getting hacked etc
decimation: he wouldn't of course; but when he retires
the next young gun
trying
to cut
the bottom line would
kanzure: (except it wasn't indians, it was vietnamese, and
they were actually very good)
kanzure: because i've managed 20 indians and my quality and quantity of output was still better at
the same itme
decimation: at some point
the harvard MBA is going
to ask "Why are we paying
this guy $300k when we could hire 20 Indians for
the same?"
decimation: note,
that
this isn't exactly a 40 year career plan
decimation: and
their pay is largely decided by
their position on
their wot
decimation: but I don't
think
that is a large population
decimation: I
think it's
true
that a "web of
trust" of competent individuals act as hired guns
to do jobs for govt/corps
kanzure: is it possible
that
there are people
that are getting paid relative
to
the value
that
they create?
kanzure: so wait, your
thesis is
that all highly-paid individuals are getting screwed?
decimation: there are many details missing here, but it seems
to me
that kanzure is basically saying
that big gov't/corps are willing
to pay $100x
to get what
they could otherwise pay $x
to get
kanzure: and
then selecting
those companies more carefully so
that
the solutions happen
to be
things
that wont bore you
to death
kanzure: it's more like.. finding companies with lots of money, and
then solving
their problems using what you know.
kanzure: ("did i mention
that i cry myself
to sleep while making shitty PCBs every night?")
kanzure: not-highly-unique but really as soon as you know more
than a handful of
things, you're already likely something
that doesn't exist somewhee else in aggregate
kanzure: oh, i'm not even
talking about
the people who started
the projects
kanzure: naturally
this ends up causing some weirdness.. some people focusing on just hadoop or whatever. which is weird. but you can see why it happens.
kanzure: and
then
they get picked up by
the industrial whales or do contracting gigs
kanzure: where
their open source projects, blogs, conference
talks/videos, whatever, serves as a way of directing
traffic
to
them
kanzure: knowing even just a little bit of programming puts you beyond
the hope of most job sites
decimation: I guess I just don't see
the offers on dice.com or whatever
kanzure: alas, on one of my recent gigs i somehow ended up
traveling for a week every few months.. it was
trickery. :(
decimation: my "experience" is quite full of people who are apparently quite intelligent and are unable
to demand such a rate
kanzure: also you have
to be able
to provide actual value. no coding an airplane into
the ground.
kanzure: at least one person (namely
the person who would be paying you)
kanzure: and you don't have
to know
the right people in advance, but you do eventually have
to meet someone
kanzure: hmm i don't know about easily,
things do
take "work"
decimation: kanzure, are you implying
that one with suitable skills can easily make $300k without "knowing"
the "right people"?
kanzure: the only problem with
this conversation is
that i can't figure out why would you want
to be employed (of all people)
decimation: except,
the case of
those who immigrated
to
the US looking for escape...
mikaeldice: So,
this guy who said
that people who put money on an exchange are stupid sheep and
that
the next MtGox fiasco 'is coming' is now opening his own exchange.
kanzure: good gigs
tend
to be clustered around anything
that says 'individual contributor'
decimation: these same $300k vp's famously conspired
to underpay said engineers
kanzure: asciilifeform: i would say it could be useful for
the idiot calibration
decimation: okay, let's pretend
that 15 year veterans are all making $300k - when a reasonable home is $1 mil,
they are still pretty poor
kanzure: the poll is only
to help idiots calibrate
that $90k is low-end of
the scale
kanzure: and
that's underperforming
kanzure: at *minimum*
the metric is +$1k/month per year of experience
kanzure: well, from personal experience i'd say at least $.. oh, yeah, definitely more
than 150
decimation: kanzure: how much do
they make 15 years in?
kanzure: kids out of school are making $90-$100k in
the bay area
decimation: no rational engineer would work
there for less
than $300k per year
decimation: yeah silicon valley is at least 2x worse
than
the DC area
kakobrekla: this brain drain
thingy seems
to be everywhere. but how could
that be, it has
to drain
to something, unless its sewer?
tg2: education and healthcare heavily subsidized,
then high
talent individuals go
to silicon valley and work
there
chetty: but
they reach out all over
the world
to serve
those unfortunate 'unbanked'