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diana_coman: hm, I don't yet see it that way but it'll become clear one way or another quite quickly
mircea_popescu: (let's take a moment for a libration in thanking the gods satoshi didn't fucking writer bitcoin in unity)
mircea_popescu: unity is three dorks and a shoe string. not working, never will work, won't be here in another few years.
mircea_popescu: not at all. qt a) actually works and b) isn't going anywhere.
phf: asciilifeform, yeah i just included the patches in case there's something interesting there (i don't know what the overlap of patchsets is between machines)
phf: (there are some other hacks in genera-src, but i don't want to investigate at the moment)
asciilifeform: ( and also didn't pompously 'lisp engineer' title blog... )
phf: i think he took a bunch of macro photos of random parts, and wrote a zmachine version 0 emulators, which in itself can be noted, if the rest of it wasn't so obnoxious
asciilifeform possibly has laboratory instrument from later date, but can't immediately think which specifically
phf: i bought a barely used eizo cg243w from a russian guy. it was one of his last possessions (no work and didn't want to become a "corporate whore"), and he talked about how quality of everything went down and keeps going down and that you really only can trust 2009 hardware at the latest. i wonder if there are more people like that hoarding their prized bolix, but without yet hitting the necessity to sell one.
asciilifeform: couldn't have all gone to the au recyclers, i dun think.
phf: asciilifeform, that's entirely my impression. the xl that i bought went at asking price, because ^ wasn't bidding, the rest of them were bought by the same guy, and he was bidding against a handful of desperados. i suspect that the whole thing was a fluke, or rather the Rembrandt market was a combination of luck and skill on the part of dks
asciilifeform: already missed 1 last yr for, iirc, 3k, didn't want to wait until it's 5,6,9000 (or entirely extinct)
asciilifeform: possibly i'm the last archaeologist who didn't have 1 yet, lol
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of variety out there, "i have a cuck, i'm marrying him" doesn't even top the scale.
mircea_popescu: guess what -- people in the 70s hadn't.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't say i have ever encountered this phobia outside of the yudkowsky/reddit/etc weirdos
mircea_popescu: Ask him why he thinks he should be able to get away with unsafe code, core dumps, viruses, buffer overruns, undetected errors, etc, just because he wants “speed”. << "i asked him, he shrugged his shoulders and went 'well, at least my machine won't fucking take over the world.'"
asciilifeform: ( believe or not, this is an actual problem for folx keeping stockpile of photopaper, it fogs even without 'sunbathe' , from background gamma . which is likely why scheme wouldn't work.)
mircea_popescu: (you don't have detectors that fine, you'll get 8 months' worth of noise. but anyway.)
a111: Logged on 2018-12-15 05:39 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880861 << incidentally, if and when this pays off (which i suspect it will), shall be lulzy to see the "oh, didn't happen, we did it first bla bla bla" morons.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-15#1880900 << i won't even be esp. disappointed if result is that the sitters-on-tapes pull heads out of collective arse and post the goods ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-14 22:58 asciilifeform: ( didn't exist ~5y ago when i last contemplated doing all of this )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880861 << incidentally, if and when this pays off (which i suspect it will), shall be lulzy to see the "oh, didn't happen, we did it first bla bla bla" morons. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: because "people" aren't a thing, it's a catchall phrase including anything and everything, and mostly nothing by mass.
asciilifeform: also possibly i missed sumthing, but didn't danielpbarron schism from 'truechurch' ?
asciilifeform: ( didn't exist ~5y ago when i last contemplated doing all of this ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( fwiw i still dunno if the bolix people set the lock bit in those things or not; possibly they didn't even )
phf: well, i appreciated it in theory, didn't have enough active drive to grok it, nor the necessary background
asciilifeform: e.g. xerox lispm is rarer still ( and had own merits, which i pieced together 100% from docs and surviving photos and won't even go into in depth because approx as questionable as archaeology of merv... )
mircea_popescu: hey, wasn't proclaimed the golden veal. merely worth documenting.
diana_coman: aha; thin sender/receiver can't do anything about it anyway
mircea_popescu: not like can't separate later. but generally speaking the tendency of v-trees is integration.
mircea_popescu: ok, so the idea here is, that while maintaining different code on different boxes is costly and undersirable, nevertheless that is mitigated by the relative ease of the genericization/prototyping mechanism in ada ; whereas single queue model, as logically tempting as it may be, is costlier than it seems (not necessarily because insertion can't be o1, but still, machinery involved).
diana_coman: you don't have to deploy rsa sender on s box
diana_coman: i.e. yes, it could have been implemented as mircea_popescu describes if I didn't aim for this specifically
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a 'queue' in the usual sense doesn't have a 'pick an X', it has 'pick from top'
mircea_popescu: diana_coman yes, certainly should provide whatever diagnosis tools and equipment you want. i don't want to fill that in yet, it'll... come to you, as it happens :)
mircea_popescu: "wtf does he mean ignore, isn't that just resend???" sorta thing ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I don't know if/that that is indeed the only thing that can kill the socket; and testing won't quite tell me either
diana_coman: right, that wasn't the proposed approach at any time
asciilifeform: if only thing that can kill the socket is killed iron, retrying it won't bring back to life will it.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: my current understanding is that the socket won't ever close, if iron is intact.
diana_coman: I mean don't keep trying to send on a closed socket sort of thing
diana_coman: I don't mean "resend this packet"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there ain't a 'connection' in udpology
diana_coman: I don't know but given Close_Socket(S), ignoring seems rather ...
mircea_popescu: if it isn't, i'd like to know about it, because i quite like the model.
mircea_popescu: weren;'t you arguing asecond ago the rescuing from nic needn't be threaded ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I made it generic so I don't have to copy/paste code just for different const
diana_coman: doesn't even bother to decrypt or whatnot because anyway it has no info as to keys and all that
asciilifeform: therefore the call to it won't return until the packet has left the house
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I don't follow - 1mn clients can send 1mn datagrams to server, what has serpent to do ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: presently can't think of any reason not to put whole effort, chunk by chunk, on www
asciilifeform: so folx can 'you wouldn't download a car!111' 'fuck you, would if i could' (tm)
asciilifeform: if the orig maker didn't bother to set the 'no read' bit, it'll be 9000x easier (whether so, not known yet, afaik nobody's ever fessed up to so much as trying)
mircea_popescu: if you go the dentist route, make sure you check the rated power. plenty of the last gen things so low power, can't see through tin foil.
diana_coman: I'll read in more detail again at any rate, won't hurt
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i haven't tried'em myself
diana_coman: at any rate, the whole "security testing" seems to be "check if they do x and y and z if they don't do one of them then vulnerability!!!"; no context, no interest for what the thing is or in what context it is used or what it stands for, nothing more than "did they say tovarase ceausescu x times per page?"
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-13#1880441 -> as in "can't stand it" or "can't make sense of it"? ☝︎
phf: you don't understand it's a level 3 bounty, it's supposed to net him 3042 hckr.io points, and a payout of $27
diana_coman: I lost count how many times I told him to go & exploit but apparently I don't know anything about modern vulnerabilities that can't be exploited
diana_coman: trinque, is the !!ledger cmd not working? deedbot seems to ignore it (didn't yet reply to one sent ~30 minutes ago although it replied to the !!rate meanwhile)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Puede Ser, I haven't given much though to Australia's Kangaroo Courts as a legal system to get involved in
BingoBoingo: But Austria apparently hasn't tried anyone worth the mention until now
mircea_popescu: so... "if you don't want to rue the day you were born, better make sure i'm not out looking for a job ever. i hate that shit."
Mocky: anyway, I don't think specialist job applier is all that hard to do. tech companies are ripe for being gamed
Mocky: doesn't appeal
diana_coman: Mocky, don't worry, nobody will ever help you against own wishes
a111: Logged on 2018-12-12 19:01 Mocky: relatedly, i haven't even applied to remote jobs yet. hand cranking through local options still
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-12#1880271 -> I was under the impression that Mocky wasn't tied up /very happy in current place; why local /us anyway? ☝︎
Mocky: no mr. recruiter I don't have experience with Docker, as fun as that sounds
asciilifeform: ( and in my experience the worx that actually pay, don't 1024chicken-ize at all )
mircea_popescu: "i have an employer" is the substance of the insanity here discussed. no, you don't HAVE jack. it has.
mircea_popescu: no. because already, you sit on ass not hunting for jobs while mocky isn't doing any work.
mircea_popescu: look, "short latency", what's that mean ? either it means you're cutting carrots one at a time, or else it means you don't, therefore perfectly possible to have a specialist phone robot.
asciilifeform does remote, for yrs nao. but it's still packaged in the form of 'here's this 1 d00d, and we rub lamp and he grants wishes, with voice command'. nao conceivably ~someone~ ~somewhere~ aint ameri-tarded and actually packages ~work~, rather than 'we rent a d00d and command via voice' , but i haven't seen this with own eyes yet.
Mocky: relatedly, i haven't even applied to remote jobs yet. hand cranking through local options still ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i don't see why it wouldn't be possible, tbh.
asciilifeform: and could even be possible, if heathens weren't jawdroppingly retarded
mircea_popescu: the money of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-10#553680 und die hundert millionen in meinem schatz is eminently NOT the money of "$5 turn knob - $9995 know which" (i can't find teh logline nao) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ie, he wants sufficient claim to fame as to make the "i'd like to live rather than die" proposition defensible. he doesn't even want money as such at all
mircea_popescu: he wants ~to be able to get other professionals to help him when he needs it~, he doesn't want "more dough" specifically and as such.
mircea_popescu: which is ultimately the problem here -- note the orig formulation wasn't in "so many dollars" terms. it was very much nearly the http://trilema.com/2013/regarding-money/
mircea_popescu: and don't tell me "money". money is eminently broken in handling all this, proof positive being that if you get a hospital bill you can't say if it's correct or not
mircea_popescu: i don't think you were following my "suppose". let's do over.
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's a whole other can of intricate strange. i wasn't gonna address it till as you say, some l1 folks move on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that is ~exactly~ what i'm leveraging : ALL abstractions are "closed-source" by their very nature -- witness how cats don't read them. then let's use this natural barrier to select the future lordship.
mircea_popescu: so to sum all this up : naggum is right in that what he does can't be free. naggum is wrong in that the tangible expression of abstracts could have value (what next, doctor supports self by selling ultrasound drawings ?!) ; and moreover closed code in the copyright/microsoft sense makes the slaves&harem&wot world impossible.
mircea_popescu: it's not that you don't expect it ; it's that you don't need it.
mircea_popescu: which is why hospitals don't let you choose the shaman.
mircea_popescu: the problem doesn't need to be stated in terms of "oil, gas" bla bla, "let's imagine adults still exist somewhere". this dork works for a packaging manufacturer, but the problem's evident from the "small business owner" - "web expert" interactions, well documented online.
mircea_popescu: something like that utterly can't stand UNLESS "the logs are right there, what've you been doing".
mircea_popescu: passive, yes, but everyone who is here is here ~because they read code~, not because they didn't.
mircea_popescu: if, in point of fact, code is kept under wraps, you are, in point of fact, forcing the world into a "things lay where they fell" scheme, and slavery becomes untenable (and deeply something i can't support).
mircea_popescu: and you can't say "she should read trilema and figure shit out". a slave doesn't have this, a slave will do what random moron tells them to, which i guess would be going to college or some shit.
mircea_popescu: give usg.stanford some money why don't you.
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many people ignored the dumbass before she formed the notion that the problem isn't her being stupid -- but other people being old.
mircea_popescu: and no, showing me the sweet leet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Camp_Lazear_Wellcome_L0000010.jpg they've built by hammering in nails with that microscope doesn't fucking impress.