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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i read the linked piece, did not see 'free' ?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 19:27 davout: the way i see things, the "fee estimation" code must die
asciilifeform: fwiw i frequently curl up in bed with the thing. and read. until fall asleep.
mircea_popescu: the more time people spend ~actually reading~ the same piece of code, the better. "i might have read it so it's as good as read" open source bs doesn't qualify here.
mircea_popescu: i think you book it as a loss, but it is a gain.
mircea_popescu: it's always way the fuck better to say "i don't like what you did because" than to say "i don't like what i think it might be the case you say you intend to do because".
asciilifeform: and i take off my hat, for this.
asciilifeform: so that no one can later say 'oh so sad, reactor melted, but i had nfi, asciilifeform never barfed.'
asciilifeform: i should hope that no one is discouraged from writing patch just because i barfed.
asciilifeform: and in fact recall, i asked for trb, because i wanted The B00k
asciilifeform: fwiw i do not hold to 'trb 4evah!'
asciilifeform: for all i know, nsa was there on day 1.
asciilifeform: i thought this was basic.
asciilifeform: but i would like to know, if it had.
mircea_popescu: i don't see that happened.
asciilifeform: and i would like to know ~where~.
asciilifeform: but to rewind: i do not object to davout mutilating his own personal trb however he likes. however i do object to calling a trb-minus-any-wallet a 'reference implementation'.
asciilifeform: (i am speaking strictly of provably-unreachable routines. there are others that could be snipped, with some work, without affecting semantics)
asciilifeform: btw since folx are itchy to snippety-snip, i will note, there is actual dead code in trb
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because if folx must ruin bitcoin via discontinuity ('you can always dig up historical code laters'), non-exhaustive pseudo-reference implementations, etc. i'd rather they understood what they were doing.
mircea_popescu: i thought you wrote all this shit on a touchpad anyway.
ben_vulpes: i didn't know anyone browsed the web with browsers anyways, i thought the en vogue thing to do was just to read the source and sort of intuit where the boxes went
ben_vulpes: i will not defensively css against the width at which archive.is renders websites
mircea_popescu: if i were a pirate i couldn't read it altogether.
mircea_popescu: i gotta see this wonder, ch display possibly one of the more atrocious
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 22:17 asciilifeform: i killed those right after baking the genesis
asciilifeform: or mebbe i dreamed it.
ben_vulpes: i excised my humor subsystems last year
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do you mind ? i'm having a quality moment here with the alf.
asciilifeform: i killed those right after baking the genesis ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i think he was just being contrarian, isn't seriously holding the position.
asciilifeform: in my extensive practice as an absolute nobody -- i also did not. but supposed that someone -- could.
mircea_popescu: in my extensive practice as a major economic agent i never either wanted to or did bother to verify one.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608249 << i honestly don't see the problem with taking out the bitcoin signature idiocy. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: i never successfully worked through how transacting would work
mircea_popescu: yes, property is functionally as well as fundamentally "this is mine which means it's not yours nor yours nor yours nor - i see you there hiding in the back, yours either!"
asciilifeform: but i can't seem to turn it up
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, all the ones i've seen use normal 1.5v watch battery.
davout: mircea_popescu: what's i-b ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did i tell you about the led crotchless "underwear" ?
mircea_popescu: (and such not knowing is a large part of what moderates any interest i might have in greenlighting i-b work_
mircea_popescu: davout the thing that SHOULD be done about it is make it work in such a way it doesn't choke in its own fumes. not that i know how to do that. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i tried this ; it doth not work irl.
davout: mircea_popescu: i can see that too, not much that can be done though
davout: and whenever i do i manage to glue it to sane txen in order for it not to be dust anymore
davout: and in this regard, doing-by-hand certainly has value, in the sense that i don't end up with dust
davout: i make pretty much all of my txes by hand and fragmentation is something i try to avoid as much as possibru
mircea_popescu: did i misunderstand teh q ?
asciilifeform: but i'd like an actual byte constant per.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand it, a defragging tx weighs exactly same as fragging tx , though
ben_vulpes: i am under the impression that a coinbase would not need to be injected, but that the individual utxos do need to be.
ben_vulpes: "coinbases" in this post means something rather different from what i've come to know them as eg the block subsidy
ben_vulpes: i shall reread aaaagain
ben_vulpes: wait no i don't, why is tx-gen box to be offlined and not the signing box?
asciilifeform: btw i found toslink modules for ~35 cents ea.
ben_vulpes: i see it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's pretty well demarcated. grep -i -r wallet *
mircea_popescu: this #1 disease of the failed female, "if i were your wife i'd poison your coffee."
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: pgup/pgdown work on the box i have here ☟︎
mod6: <+davout> mod6: ty, will try the gnu-awk thing << ok, gl. let us know how it goes. i've had this issue before myself. i ~think~ that's what I did to resolve it on my african box.
trinque: jobs may have actually killed someone with his hands if he saw the "o look mother I put the apple watch inside the mac"
Framedragger: on the other hand, i could see the latter being *really* useful for many. granted, neither you or me are altruists.
Framedragger: re. a), i totally hear ya. i mean, who does. re. b), yes i can see that.
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: for all of the time i have spent losing my mind in radioactive webtech mines i a) do not like the domain b) have zero desire to build half-baked solutions when ~fully baked ones exist
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: because it is wholly unacceptable that i not be able to see the effects of changing one tag in the source files immediately.
ben_vulpes: and i wanted comments, but did not want to bake myself further into an ossified tower of software retardation.
Framedragger: why's that bad? i understand if the 'time it takes to render' function is exponential in some way or another, but if linear growth and less than say 30 min - what of it, really
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: you missed the good old days when i exported raw html from an org file
Framedragger: i'm still preferring http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503181 but granted, don't have a working "moderated but without captcha" comments solution. best i can think of is, write very light backend service to handle comment post requests, store them somewhere sensible, allow operator to accept/deny comments (could be flat text files) ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you got considerably farther than i did, in re mp-wp
ben_vulpes: i have very little appetite for futzing with css.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: yeah pure primary green, crt, i figued! hah
asciilifeform: if i were writing logtron, i'd go for green text , and names inverted (black on green) letters.
Framedragger: (i personally like the pink highlight, it's immediately noticeable but still readable)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i meant, whole thing
asciilifeform: my only nitpick is the colours, and i don't even know if it is my display calibrarion, or eyes, that balk.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: no, i'm ready to eat the whole wad.
ben_vulpes: yes well i may as well just scrape btcbase at that point asciilifeform
asciilifeform: all i've got is (about 98% uptime) plain text l0gz.
ben_vulpes: i *have* put some thought into this project, asciilifeform.
ben_vulpes: as i recalled.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i can scrape btcbase as well as the next feller.
asciilifeform: before, i think.
ben_vulpes: unless i misremember, the man is in the habit of at least mentioning prolonged absences. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: phf: may i have a copy of your log backups?
davout: asciilifeform: i have no particular interest in indulging strawmen
asciilifeform: i asked very specific question. say davout makes a wallet-less trb. and for some reason we all embrace it and roll it into each his own personal vtree.
asciilifeform: also i admit to a deep curiosity, the folx itching to dump the wallet without offering a new one, what the hell are you lot transacting WITH ?
asciilifeform: what i would like to do in this thread, is to ask folx to stop and think for half a minute about what differentiates trb from prb.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: no argument, but i do not see the point of moving output indexer into a separate bin given that it needs a live blockchain anyways.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i am all for moving the miner to own binary. BUT you would then have to test it and somehow demonstrate that it in fact behaves IDENTICALLY to the original
trinque: nothing helps me generate a valid lisp statement for sbcl other than I pop one in
davout: ben_vulpes: but even if separate binary i see this more as a "reference wallet" in the same way the "reference miner" demonstrates what a miner does, but isn't actually used by anyone professionnally issuing transactions
asciilifeform: (afaik no such thing ever existed for common lisp, because it was a sanely-defined -- i.e. paper -- standard.)
ben_vulpes: i don't see the benefits to the increase of binary compilation targets to 3 from the one extant.
ben_vulpes: now /that/ i am sold on slicing from the node.
davout: i'm not really sure whether transaction signature itself should stay in trb or be extracted out
asciilifeform: but UNTIL new wallet EXISTS, i for one will sign no snips.
ben_vulpes: i am still not sold on moving the wallet outside of what compiles as "trb"
asciilifeform: davout: provide sane endpoints. i promise to read patch, and test, and help.