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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was marked (EXPERIMENTAL) for a reason!!11
asciilifeform: (and digesting a block as we speak)
mircea_popescu: a little bit of power rangering of your own hm ?
mircea_popescu: specifically because it was contrived. the gcc shit is a conceit, not real shit.
asciilifeform: because it is a problem that succumbs to brute labour.
mircea_popescu: the jungle is a shitty forest no civilised man would wish to live in
mircea_popescu: perhaps. but the CORRECT cut in there is a very high paygrade item.
asciilifeform: there is a palpable difference between 'hey bro this is usenet and no guarantees' and 'hey bro this is crack den and i'ma take yer mail and flush it down the shitter, no guarantees' imho
asciilifeform: eh i i had 22, or 222, i'd simply have a different reason (tx propagation fail) to be ragin
mircea_popescu: it's a p2p network, which means it's lossy, shitty and etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every so often, i actually need to send a tx. and grow very, very irritated if for whatever reason at all, i cannot.
asciilifeform: the folx i was trying to kill, are those who ~sit idle and hog the socket~ while waiting for a pong that never comes.
ben_vulpes: anyways, asciilifeform my queue is rather deep, working with mod6 on a thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform people have a little longer pipelines than THREE HOURS you.
mod6: ok, fair enough, just gonna keep an eye on it a bit longer then?
mircea_popescu: the only item in power in the us today is trump. this should be abundantly clear, as a minimal qualifying bar for "op is not batshit insane". on the level of perceiving the sunset.
mircea_popescu: most of those schmucks are never going to see the outside of a jail cell.
mircea_popescu: this is a permanence of politics. the FUCKING POINT of an ambassador is that the barbarians can kill him.
mircea_popescu: as far as these assemblages go, there isn't a substantial difference between the black pimp's hussle&flow and the white cuckold's hussle&flow. neither of them can act substantially and deliberately. gotta pick one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for this discussion, every inner city black thug who sits down to start his own brothel is (like, say, http://trilema.com/2016/hustle-flow/ ) is laying down a new cognitive capacity farm.
mircea_popescu: on the balance of an endless field of failures with one (relatively minor) bright spot, the theory that "the face thing is also a step to http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752" is a little less supported than the theory that " monkey throwing shit against a wall"
mircea_popescu: ctronics on a cruiser whose only raison d'etre is an imaginary electronics war.
mircea_popescu: so -- yes, "someone" had the cognitive capability to http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594887 ; but that same someone failed to produce a workable counterpart to the russian jet ; or any kind of response to the chinese missilization ; or any sort of coherent narrative for the middle east ; or even anything past "never happened - if it happened it doesn't matter - if it matters we did it anyway" re russkis turning off the ele ☝︎
mircea_popescu: we were talking about cognitive capability ; not about "the dutch invented the tulip tradegood and everyone was stuck being immitator -- for a while anyway"
asciilifeform: pocket-thing-with-www-browser, as a class
a111: Logged on 2017-02-21 23:55 asciilifeform: but meanwhile in the monkey cages, https://archive.is/iUfOp >> '“Climate change is not a controversy,” read one sign at yesterday’s “Rally to Stand Up for Science,” which drew hundreds to the historic downtown plaza. ... "We're really trying to send a message today to Mr. Trump that America runs on science, science is the backbone of our prosperity and progress," said Geoffrey Supran, a postdoctoral fellow at Harvard Univer
mircea_popescu: back at reality once, they managed it ONCE. they can't do it at-will ; they can't even do it again. it's rather a crapshot than a thing.
mircea_popescu: same thing that the gyneceum always produces, and i don't give a shit you call it "human resources" or "engineers" or "the stupid bitches in ditch A"
asciilifeform: a work of evil, but works, to spec.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is method. random js crapolade on some indian www may be monkey throwing shit against a wall. an item like 'amazon alexa' is not.
mircea_popescu: the face thing is a step in the direction of argentina : it doesn't work, nobody knows how to fix it and it's not anybody;s fault anyway so let's adapt.
asciilifeform: '- Where have you been, Dad? You can wait forever. You have to read the text through the polarizer glasses. Without them, all you’ll see is the ads! - What’s that for? - What do you mean, what’s that for? So nobody who hasn’t paid can read the book! Think, I buy a book, and someone who didn’t buy anything could read it over my shoulder…'
asciilifeform: the face thing is also a step to http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752
asciilifeform: this is part of a slow, planned anal dilation of the luserbase.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: point is not that it will work as printed on the box. but that the machine won't log you in unless it sees a passable room with passable face-like object in it.
mircea_popescu: iirc a bunch of people made sport of that
asciilifeform: when you read 'fellow at X and at the Y' it means ye olde patronage system, a la tammany hall, d00d collects 2,3,4,5 salaries, while doing ~0
mircea_popescu: if it were actual science, the honest to god sort, kvant-science, "you're not smart enough to ride" science, yes it would be at the basis of a country (would it call itself "america" ? why not ?), but it wouldn't be possible for him to pretend what he's pretending.
asciilifeform: but meanwhile in the monkey cages, https://archive.is/iUfOp >> '“Climate change is not a controversy,” read one sign at yesterday’s “Rally to Stand Up for Science,” which drew hundreds to the historic downtown plaza. ... "We're really trying to send a message today to Mr. Trump that America runs on science, science is the backbone of our prosperity and progress," said Geoffrey Supran, a postdoctoral fellow at Harvard Univer ☟︎
veen: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616505 << a long-standing wtf in my mind ☝︎
mircea_popescu: but such is the pain that comes with "lalala can't hear you unless you have a prototype", which is the swamp satoshi had the misfortune of being born into.
mircea_popescu: that'll be a while AFTER getting the readable source.
asciilifeform: there is literally no mechanism for this, nor is it a simple retrofit.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: a node that is not responding to rpc is nearly always simply catching up on massive backlog of blox
asciilifeform: that'd be quite a bit earlier
asciilifeform: right now this is not even a very interesting wtf. it may however become interesting if a miner decides to sit down on trb island.
BingoBoingo: My problem of the now is connecting to nodes with a higher blockheight than I
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they're in a block
BingoBoingo: Clear out the space with a pesticide fogger?
asciilifeform: i.e. if there is a mass of prb between us and miners.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is not clear to me that there is such a thing as elegant solution, to what may very well be an ecological problem
asciilifeform: actually it very often meets a , e.g., version message: version 70002, blocks=454102
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. it simply hasn't heard a block in ~2 hrs.
asciilifeform: my concern is not that there is a boojum in 454074. but that the thin red line connecting my trb nodez to miners are -- apparently -- veeeery thin
mircea_popescu: anyway, btc.com is pretty much a bitcoin attacker by this point, at least in my books.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi. if i had a clue i'd say
mircea_popescu: it's not strictly the size, just a broad indicator.
asciilifeform: does anybody have 454074 on a spitblock-capable node ?
mircea_popescu: well phf's thing works becsause phf is a smart cookie, but this is just ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: dude wtf apparently my client sends a broken char if the line is overlong.
mircea_popescu: with good cause ; and in a fundamental and unfixable way. "bitch, why didn't you feed me when i was young and needed you to ?"
mircea_popescu: it adds a solid two inches to her legs.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes speaking of house, the BEST THING father can do for his daughter, aged 9 to 19, is make sure she has abundant, clean protein available. no meal without salmon, fine beef, shrimp, pump her full of 100g of protein a day. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: instead of a thrashing i mean.
mircea_popescu: so do not simply tolerate a vegetarian. either kick her out or beat her up.
mircea_popescu: this is why merely TOLERATING vegetarians is insanity if you like meat. you eating either their soy or a steak while they ONLY eat soy will ENSURE you will not be able to eat meat.
mircea_popescu: a commonly discussed example is that "everything in us consumer market is kosher, including $random item for exemplification". then there's some o wow, kosher eaters are a fraction of 1% of the whole market.
trinque: there is a very plain consideration on when pregnancy is going to sap energy otherwise allocated to maturation
mircea_popescu: "how old does he have to be before the risk of punching you out, burning your house and fucking your wife and daughter outweighs whatever useful labour you may extract out of him" is scarcely a cogent basis for discussing how old must be the girl before you can buy her.
mircea_popescu: the magic number 18 has a lot more to do with historical extraction. people wanted to get work out of children ; there's a soft spot where the uncastrated animal becomes more trouble than it's worth.
trinque: pedo tends to mean quite a bit younger, eh?
ben_vulpes: atlantic even did a piece on a victorian child bride recently
mircea_popescu: 12 brides exceed 21 yo brides by a large margin.
mircea_popescu: at this point it is strictly impossible to distinguish between us "progressive" and a woman that's been locked into a house with preteens for too long and simply snapped and lost her mind.
mircea_popescu: it's not just a case of "it's our democracy when we do it and corruption when russia does it" ; the linguistic shenanigans are at the very core of libertard program. "it's denying victim their living experience when you tell susan j fowler or whatever other coreboot-broad-of-the-day that she's just not very birhgt and didn't work very hard ; but it's nothing when dangerous homosexual etc"
mircea_popescu: a good chunk of the "psychological damage" of what's known in the us as "child molestation" and in the rest of the world, both geographically and historically as nothing in particular has to do with the batshit insane reaction of the environment. substantially the EXACT same cause driving psychological damage in "abused children" as used to drive psychological damage in "mentally ill" aka homosexuals. it did get turing to kil
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the sheer insanity of this, you know, dork who supposedly "is a ceo" and "we something or the other billions of dollars something or the else other companies corporate business like real men and with suits!!!1" nevertheless has the fucking time to go on campaign trail. and the absence of mind to do it AFTER the election.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes depends who you ask. according to the average 2oish yo "stem" imbecile, he's a role model.
ben_vulpes: i thought he was a blogger scraped off some other vc firm's shoe
mircea_popescu: btw, check out what altman does with his time. does this look like the job of an engineer or the job of a politruk ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> to continue: what portion of cpu time is spent verifying ultimately invalid blocks? <<< yes, yes and yes, altogether a proper STATs module should very much be part of stock trb, and very helpful if it were.
asciilifeform: hey if bits-on-a-disk-in-police-custody can count as 'evidence' of anything else -- why not this.
asciilifeform: in other lulzies, https://archive.is/Bwz53 >> 'Now, if a suspect receives drugs by post — which he denies he ordered — the police can go over his bitcoin transaction history and see whether he has sent bitcoins to anyone recently.'
asciilifeform: (given as i generate a tx perhaps yearly)
ben_vulpes: i don't mind the arcana, it's what a holistic understanding's made of
asciilifeform: and a number of other conundrums, that really ought not to be conundrums this far in.
asciilifeform: is there a consistent set of peers who 'prank call' (dial and won't speak) ?
ben_vulpes: it should be doable to 'getpeers' from the nodes from which a trb gets a block and then attempt to traverse upstream, no?
asciilifeform: e.g., do new valid blocks come 'from everywhere', or consistently from a few places.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this is a slow-burning project of mine in its own right -- to determine what the fuck EXACTLY these things are doing, when they go 'blackhole'
asciilifeform: (it is very much a manual, batched process.)
mircea_popescu: originally, miner code got split off the main satoshi base sometime in 2011. there was a lot of back and forth between pre-trb prb node code and the node code miners used, but not that much in the past few years.
mircea_popescu: there's a pipe ?
asciilifeform: i will now also confirm that a goodbye-pingers node still receives blocks.
trinque: I wonder if it'd be useful for deedbot to say a txid when sending.
trinque: I just keep tabs on it and give it a restart when
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/21/oh-coloured-wings-riding-winds-of-change-hello/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Oh coloured wings riding winds of change. Hello!
shinohai: oooh a new Qntra contributor?
asciilifeform: the other interesting tidbit is that a blackhole node is often spoken to (by would-be peers) but never once speaks
asciilifeform: found quite a few wtf