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mod6: mircea_popescu: true
mod6: This is worthwhile. I've got a vector that I'd like to start into with sales -- as far as a market. Maybe one of these guys could help me get going.
mircea_popescu: worst case, you're out whatever drinks among old acquaintances cost you. there's worse fates.
mircea_popescu: alright, so make a list of the few, walk up to them and explain what problem you're encountering, and ask whether they'd be willing to either mentor or participate.
mod6: Maybe a few, here and there over the years.
mod6: I've spent my life behind a screen, so it doesn't come very naturally to me.
mod6: I don't think those skills rubbed off.
mod6: Well, it's not that I don't want to, I'd like it if we could somehow get the train moving down the track. Just worried that I don't have the know-how for this.
mircea_popescu: do you in principle not want to / want to never run a business ever ?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 15:43 mod6: Pizarro, on the other hand, I'm more of a fish out of water.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856519 << why is that ? ☝︎
mod6: Good thing trb has burned off many warts. However, some warts are so deep, would kill the paitent.
mod6: I am somewhat sad about the state of the bitcoin poc as created by satoshi, but I'm still very much glad we have it.
mircea_popescu: "law enforcement officials and bureaucrats are the only known demographic interested in consuming child porn." << word.
mod6: I refuse to hate on the guy, really.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin was originally designed to work in the manner kids run doom -- turn it on now and again
mircea_popescu: no, that was exactly it.
mod6: he must have operated under the impression that guy reboots his windows machine every day or some wild idea.
asciilifeform: cuz otherwise they'll only be sent whatever's getting pushed, and it'll almost always be 'bastard' from their pov.
asciilifeform: i abolished shitoshi's 'speshulness' of ~boot time~, but to make ~peer connection time~ similarly speshul, is also mistake.
mod6: Thanks for the work/analysis.
asciilifeform: and i'm beginning to suspect that it, or some variant thereof, is The Right Thing
asciilifeform: mod6: ben_vulpes's patch is on my conveyor tho.
mircea_popescu: lookup is hard, and if he makes it the size it shnould be, it might crash.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in the trb observatory, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/cMfST/?raw=true << restarted zoolag, and confirms my earlier hypothesis -- 'bastards' from friendlies are simply when they throw their latest block blindly at each peer, without concern for who actually can eat it, and who cannot. shitoshi's shit protocol.
mircea_popescu: imo accounts for the alternation.
mircea_popescu: the previous time, it was about "names -- only names in their own heads", djb, rms, whatever.
mircea_popescu: this time it's about "make them" rather than "pre-existing"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Still somehow this year Mocky fished himself up and defected to the Republic
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 16:03 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856376 << yet new ones are born every day. thousands of girls underwent puberty as we sat and spoke today, are they also excluded, "all women that'll ever be are already here" ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856553 << lol, seems to me that we regularly argue opposite sides of this puzzler. but yes, i'd luvv for there to be somewhere a hidden reserve of sane folx who will join republic and do quality work. but somehow they aint here yet, and i'm inclined to agree with mircea_popescu's much earlier hypothesis, where they either dun exist or are buried beneath such thick pantsuit iceberg that no drill pres ☝︎
mircea_popescu: a right, there it is even.
mircea_popescu: in any case, the " mod6 left by himself in empty hall of foundation" not so sane situation for a mod6 to find himself into.
mod6: mircea_popescu: ah, ok, which is basically how the charter reads in that section 0x2 para 3.
asciilifeform: Mocky et al: i'ma restart with timestamps, and from here on.
asciilifeform: it's the historic norm in sane undertakings, yes
mircea_popescu: i'd expect the mechanism'd be regarded universally.
mircea_popescu: i don't recall now if this was specifically said re foundation or only re qntra, but the two are ~same period, in any case,
mircea_popescu: ~then~, after that gets established, one can step down, add another, and so on. like a steps process, with continuity and everything. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i have this vague notion that the idea always was that you two will at some point summon a third.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 00:07 mircea_popescu: mod6 do you want to name someone to join into the chairdom ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855754 << join, you know, as in... add a third. ☝︎
mod6: Oh, you wanted a third? I didn't catch that.
mircea_popescu: well... ok, but that is a latter development that'd be a separate issue. you'd want a third AND a mod6 replacement then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unless i misread, mod6 asked to be relieved of the duty.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 14:28 asciilifeform: way i see it, if hanbot takes over mod6's duties, then oughta at least carry on what he was doing ( i.e. maintenance of the flagship tree, testing of candidate patches )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856392 << i thought the idea was to add a third. what take over ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: it doesn't have much bearing on the problems faced by actual people, aside from drepper-extermination.
mircea_popescu: but it ... fucking is. and they have a binary format now, too. saw that ?
mircea_popescu: "some people who don't give a shit made this slop out of something or the other" mcdrepperism.
asciilifeform: would like to expel mc-anyffing from the system, yes.
mircea_popescu: "no -- they're doing it the wrong way with the wrong women, it does nothing for me"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the sense "the whole idea of the fuck channel is to do your fucking for you". you gonna watch fuck channel ?
asciilifeform: and yes the existing item is bug-ridden.
mircea_popescu: (which is -- a bug ridden, half assed, "universal" ie dysfunctional, implementation of THE SAME SCRIPT)
asciilifeform: i.e. item that collates desired flows.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aint that whole idea of 'system log' to begin with ?
mircea_popescu: rather than have a "system log".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform have a script that collates the logs you want and produce a flow.
mircea_popescu: so the cost of having the computer equivalent of "mains breaker" is so disproportionately immense, the 9000 wires gain exponentially.
asciilifeform: tape printer is a constrained device, if you let >1 proggy operate it at same time, it will output garbage ( lines inside other lines etc )
mircea_popescu: because UNLIKE electrics, where the flow is pantsuiot, and any portion of wire == any other, computers are hierarchied. the early portions of wire priviledged over the later.
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER, computing-electrical engineering befuddles this intuition. for computers -- much betterf to have the wires than to fuck the upstream design
asciilifeform: ( observe that civilized house has both main breaker ~and~ subs )
mircea_popescu: now, intuitively, and from an actual electrical engineering standpoint, it seems intuitively right -- "rather than have wires through house connecting 9000 breakers, just have a mains breaker".
mircea_popescu: but you can't open one. the question is how you rig the opening of the 9000 hoods.
asciilifeform: sorta how yer house has a mains breaker that toggles whole panel, and not simply 50 individual breakers.
asciilifeform: simply to not open 9000 hoods, when can open 1.
asciilifeform: without individually fucking with each proggy that shits'em
asciilifeform: centralized logging actually has at least 1 known win -- i can dump all logs, or subset of'em, to tape printer
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 14:25 diana_coman: I think that's precisely what the chairs need to figure out: "what might fit under this " and be useful, ofc
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856387 << and if not figure out, at least work towards figuring out. there's a difference between "i found no rock but here's 500 clumps of earth i tried" and "i don't understand whart a rock would be" ☝︎
asciilifeform: it's braindamaged. but i gotta point out why i haven't said how to demolish it -- cuz haven't yet conceived of how to do so w/out losing what imho is essential function
mircea_popescu: but i very much disagree "systemwide" "log mechanism" is either acceptable or necessary. leaving "a good idea" way far behind and to the left.
asciilifeform: and will have to be bulldozed at some point..
asciilifeform: the whole unix permissions thing is a massive crock of shit
asciilifeform: and how to give just 1 process ? a group per process ? ugly.
BingoBoingo: log in directory daemon already read/writes, simplifies future ports to BeOS, DOS, etc
mircea_popescu: so give it permission to /log/nginx
asciilifeform: i want e.g. nginx to log, but to not have write permission anywhere else. unix offers no way to do this aside from the current horror.
mircea_popescu: and thjis is what i'm sayuing : this is misdesigned. i'm not about to fuck my system so some moron somewhere can miswrite his program.
mircea_popescu: if you don't care to give item permission to write, stfu about log.
asciilifeform: 'oops the log is gone, randomly' is fucktarded.
mircea_popescu: very fit for the logging specificallty discussed here.
mircea_popescu: give them write permissions to /tmp
asciilifeform: i dun see why it would apply to trb tho, trb must have write or it cannot store blox.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 15:52 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856366 << imo syslogger should be abolished altogether. before systemd it wasn't obvious to me what it is -- but now, plenty obvious. "unified logging" terrible idea.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856534 << non-kernelistic but 'systemwide' logging is an unfortunate artifact of unixism, where there are processes that dun have write permissions anywhere but nevertheless must log ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 15:54 Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856363 it's in the tree and works fine for me >> http://btcbase.org/patches/genesis#L5782
diana_coman: heh, my next line there :P
diana_coman: mod6, I know what you mean re too-many-things-at-once (from my pov also, ideally 1 at a time but that's a luxury that I rarely get to fully indulge in, what can I say)
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 14:23 asciilifeform: diana_coman: that's uncharted territory..
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856381 << kinda the idea though -- if uncharted territory stays uncharted... well ? what are we, the folk living across from zanzibar, waiting for indonesians to come over and discover it, because it's easier for them to cover 5k miles than for us 50 ? ☝︎
diana_coman: yes, it's better stated that way: focused but not limited to trb
mircea_popescu: the "focused" part is imo not in dispute. the "limited to" part, though, maybe ?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 14:22 diana_coman: asciilifeform, my understanding is that tbf's scope is not limited to trb, nor focused specifically mainly on trb
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856377 << well, the way i read the 1-2-3-4 progression from above is that "it is focused but not limited to trb, supposed to outreach from it". ☝︎
mircea_popescu: the girl i last fucked in the ass was... NINE years old last i visited the us. and at the time i last visited the us, "all the women that were with me -- were with me" also.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 14:22 asciilifeform: ( and imho all of the people qualified to work on trbi, are already here, they dun need to see duck races to be persuaded to come... )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856376 << yet new ones are born every day. thousands of girls underwent puberty as we sat and spoke today, are they also excluded, "all women that'll ever be are already here" ? ☝︎☟︎