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mircea_popescu: for now we can still run old boards. but that won't last forever.
asciilifeform: (those who believe that it does not matter what is in the bios so long as you can boot your favourite unix, are mistaken. not only can bios diddle your drives pre-boot, but it isn't even necessary - routines like smm handler run continuously, outside of os)
asciilifeform: ^ the 'won't boot anything not signed by key in antifuse rom' thing - finally arrived.
assbot: Why You Don't See Coreboot Supported By Many Modern Intel Systems - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1AFLNM4 )
asciilifeform: 'Other Emacs stakeholders responded with confusion how this could be "a systematic effort to attack GNU packages" and also raised points on how Emacs has support for Microsoft Windows and OS X but wouldn't consider a basic patch for enabling the LLDB debugger to be used. Stallman followed up to say, "These are not similar cases. Neither Windows nor MacOS was intended to push major GNU packages out of use. What I see here appea
asciilifeform: knew about it for a decade, but somehow can't bring myself to set foot there
mircea_popescu: it's about plainest morals : please consider if your duty to yourself, as a free man worth two shits doesn't require you to publish all the shit you know.
mircea_popescu: if you don't hurt the things you don't like, you're not really a man.
asciilifeform: hegemoOn: 'Seven dollars an hour, that's what Philip Johnson made / Driving a Wells Fargo truck, he handled millions every day / But you can't be much of a player on 56 bucks a day / Seven dollars an hour, that's what Philip Johnson made.'
hegemoOn: exemple of failure : transaction processor which doesn't listen to commit acknowledgment of the sql database
decimation: apparently in new york the situation is a little more harsh: "In New York, people have given up on equity. I hear this time and again in the NYC tech scene - building a company is hard in NYC because people don't believe equity is worth anything because of the bullshit that happened in the first bubble. In New York especially, there were a lot of shenanigans with equity in 99/00 bubble/crash era where companies got sold and employees
decimation: "Don't you have faith that we'll be successful?"
mircea_popescu: "sure he can piss everyone off - but he can't actually pay dividends correctly to save his life"
jurov: also, i can't relate the bitbet dividend (3.21579681) to S.BBET monthly statement that says:
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'my educated guess that the search is not offered because they couldn't support it, technically, not for any high falootin' ethical considerations.' << lol, like the thousands of dissertations on 'use of light and shadow' in sistine chapel ceiling
Vexual: I would have if you hadn't mentioned itt
Adlai: don't forget to take off your shirt
Vexual: Trauma isn't necessarily bad
Vexual: We don't even know what a block is worth
thestringpuller: yea, but i guess problem is if this computer is slow at getting current block this raising blocksize thing ain't gonna fly
BingoBoingo: Haven't tried don't have any PPC macs around at the moment
BingoBoingo: Just because it doesn't compile as offered doesn't mean and can't be beat into it.
punkman: bitcoind doesn't run on ppc
punkman: I don't want it to fix things, that's nonsense
BingoBoingo: What does a 3D printer actually fix that a roll of Duct tape doesn't fix faster and better?
punkman: maybe, if you aren't spending all your time trying to keep printer level
punkman: also, not only do you have to learn to CAD, but most CADs just don't work for things you want to 3D print
Vexual: Dunno. Makes me think that things McAfee says aren't nessisarily because of bath salts
ben_vulpes: oh jesus this is going to be like gimp isn't it
ben_vulpes: i can't recall if i ever bumped into freecad.
decimation: lolz I didn't look at the comments
asciilifeform: ^ was ludicrously popular on account of intelligent folks who were 'afraid of programming' and agreed to try it out because it didn't pattern-match their phobia
decimation: Because there's very little I can imagine labview can do that couldn't be replaced with a few hundred lines of "c" and the labview driver library
asciilifeform: it's one of those few interfacing problems that i don't really think is suited to a textual abstraction << depends on what is being drawn. see 'openscad' etc.
ben_vulpes: it's one of those few interfacing problems that i don't really think is suited to a textual abstraction.
ben_vulpes: i wasn't programming when i was a hot modeler.
ben_vulpes: well, i don't know.
ben_vulpes: it ain't under vibratory load or anything
decimation: doesn't -O3 imply -O2?
decimation: nah I don't think I can write good.
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assbot: my stack protector wasn't working ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACHQb2 )
asciilifeform: trinque: it doesn't
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: contaminate my mind with the c toolchain << if it isn't a secret, what do you normally work with ?
asciilifeform: i didn't feel like fighting gnumake's retardation re: treatment of envir. vars. and recursive invocations of self
mircea_popescu: decimation : "independent op ed" = "piece written for narcissist that we didn't have to pay'
mircea_popescu: except it doesn't actually do anything. gawker is entirely myspace'd.
mircea_popescu: "oh, IAC said our deeply discounted CPM is not worth paying for anyway because we don't have any actual relevancy / power online ??!?!?!"
asciilifeform: (doesn't require any actual work to use, just run as described earlier in log)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: don't take my word for it, either. 'valgrind.'
BingoBoingo: This run with a 4GB process RAM limit it hasn't crashed yet. Just crossed the 512 MB line around block 153000
mod6: dynamically linked ~18mb, statically linked (that didn't work) ~28mb
mircea_popescu: if you handling the cane can't tell when she;s had enough, her with the bruises and marks CERTAINLY can't.
thestringpuller: Nah its a static graph. And I need to redo one of the algorithms to only list those with L2 trust, a few pop up that shouldn't be there.
cazalla: thestringpuller, approved, but shouldn't you be working? :P
mod6: which we won't support.
mod6: when statically linking via the makefile.unix that's included with v0.5.3, I can't even get mine to compile correctly. So, I'll be spending a lot of time probably re-writing the entire makefile
thestringpuller: i didn't grok that sentence sorry
mod6: ok thats awesome. although, i think what everyone has been running up to now is a dynamically linked version of the output binary. which shouldn't even be availab.e
thestringpuller: i don't think it will if its running 0.9.8 ssl
mod6: <+thestringpuller> mod6: ben_vulpes it got past the wedge <+thestringpuller> "blocks" : 164713 << looks to me like you just hit a spot where it was slow, maybe a lot of disconnected blocks. this isn't the "wedge" block we were hitting. tx we had issues with (VerifiySignature) was in block 168,001. It's all in the logs.
Adlai: well, ok, not anybody, those that have learned from being marginalized that 'society' isn't necessarily acting on any good reason
asciilifeform: mbers of Americans, both rich and poor, would regard Limonov's behavior as nothing short of despicable: a foreign author living in America on public assistance while also earning cash! It seems reasonable that the rich should feel that way; if the poor can't be made miserable, then what exactly is the point of being rich?'
punkman: wasn't he the fellow with the broken dick?
mircea_popescu: how did you get this idea, that if you don't follow something it's incumbent on me/the school/the world to fix it for you ?
Adlai: world use of the version that doesn't require a change before we talk about making changes - my 2¢
Adlai: benjamindees: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rai_stones << money doesn't have to be convenient to be useful, and there are zillions of ways to handle amounts that aren't worth the transaction cost of lugging the whole thing around; some ways are more transparent (like federated sidechains), and others less (like changetip). non-federated sidechains require changing bitcoin itself, so let's see real
benjamindees: I've read everything you linked so far. It seems mostly sarcastic, which I don't really follow since I don't read your logs anyways.
Adlai: benjamindees: wait, let's back up a bit, if not for your then my sake. what's the point of sidechains? i don't think it's "paying for bitcoin mining"
Adlai: note that for the "real bitcoin", this just has the effect of further distinguishing it as such, if the current mess didn't do that well enough
Adlai: mircea_popescu: arguably, the main/relevant effect of 'sidechains' to date has been funnelling VC money into subsidizing full nodes... although i guess you don't trust full nodes run by those people... but you don't have to because bitcoin
mircea_popescu: then nobody ain't part of this.
xanthyos: please rate me down so i can't voice myself in this terrorist room anymore
benjamindees: mircea_popescu, ain't nobody got time for that
Adlai: no, i feel rather ignorant of them. i understand the technical description in the paper, but haven't given it enough thought to be for or against. i can't speak for other people in this channel.
Adlai: i mean, if he's asking to get the police involved, don't they love responding to death threats?
mircea_popescu: maybe better take it as "this man won't give me for free stuff that people might get if they pay upwards of six figures in fees. my feeble attempts to defeat his defences through 9yo discoursive tactics are probably going to fare about as well as 9yos generally fare against multi million dollar concerns."
Adlai had heard the buzzword, hadn't bothered to actually read about it until now
Adlai: mircea_popescu: i'll take that as a "haven't heard/cared about it", which is still a datapoint
mircea_popescu: think "occupywallstreet" or "feminism" or w/e. "the luxor center for businessmen". these collections don't actually do anything, it's not unlike a coral discussing which way to undulate for saving the whales.
mircea_popescu: he doesn't mean the people = "the people". he means the people = your friends.
mircea_popescu: "the planet is fine, the people are fucked" is what people say when they can't digest the obvious "if you could understand more, you could understand more"
Adlai: i won't dispute that nature computes.
mircea_popescu: (ie, "can't carry meaning". just like the foregoing it's also logically necessary, no debate possible. it flows from what you're saying, which is essentially "humans are noise". sure. but noise doesn't really matter. like brownian motion.)
mircea_popescu: if this is how you redefine your humans, i will change "don't exist" to "don't matter".
mircea_popescu: it's simple : inasmuch as your definition of "human" difers from "econ", it doesn't exist.
mircea_popescu: o yes they do. the "humans" don't exist.
Adlai finds himself again bringing up kahneman, who talks about "humans" vs "econs", the latter describing the rational agents of economic theory, which don't actually exist on this planet
mircea_popescu: rational incentives don't enter into it. as far as derpy social studies types are concerned, all effort available should go into that.
mircea_popescu: unrelated datapoints. half energy available \being used to mine bitcoin makes bitcoin safe for humans (safe in the sense of, won't be overrun by the altcoin problem) ☟︎
danielpbarron: i hope you guys aren't relying solely on me to achieve those ends; a lot of this is totally new territory for me
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: (your setup - doesn't)
thestringpuller: !t m s.qntr
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the world works.
mircea_popescu: im gonna have to make another div payment set without a deed registrar aren't i.
gribble: trinque was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 hours, 58 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <trinque> mod6: lots of chatter about "can't find -lgcc_s" on teh googles
danielpbarron: and if it sees such a drive, it won't try to boot from the attached sata drive; so you can then fdisk as needed
mircea_popescu: it just won't last as long.
thestringpuller: yea scoopbot ain't workibg PeterL
thestringpuller: why isn't it working?