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Framedragger: 'nyway, it's hard to argue for my shitty 'point'. i'll just add meanwhile that i too do not think that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-09#1623540 was/is waste - some knowledge was gained, and it's indeed not restrained to technical knowledge :) ☝︎
Framedragger: so, i dunno, fuck.
Framedragger: (i.e., weak.)
Framedragger: phf: i agree with the latter. if nothing else - why not; sure. and sure, a *lot* of busy activity reduces to netflix in one way or another.
phf: and i will double down on "never amount to anything", even if to the bulk of those people busy activity might feel very meaningful. "i'm watching netflix, it's important to relax!" etc.
Framedragger: this only works in aggregate form though, i guess - difficult to assess at individual level. (but maybe that's the point.)
mircea_popescu: i suppose. it'd have to be close to the fundamentals , as it is fundamental.
Framedragger: yeah, i suppose so - it's not a small thing to ask for at any rate...
mircea_popescu: i'm not sure it can be formulated in a too compact manner.
Framedragger: you're right, ultimately i'm challenged to answer "what is the middle, then", if i claim the falseness. and i (again) do not have much recourse here. i only have individual anecdata of "intelligent folks doing their own thing", completely disjoint from tmsr.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-09 01:56 asciilifeform: while we have this thread: i often come back in my head to the question of why folx visit, and then choose to go back to being-sad.
mircea_popescu: this is a category, the false dichotomy. it's defined, an actual thing. you know, if you say this is an apple and i ask how's it an apple you show it matches the salient parts of the definition.
Framedragger: not to bait or anything - i mean this charitably and honestly. it's just not the most productive approach, imho.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-09 01:56 asciilifeform: while we have this thread: i often come back in my head to the question of why folx visit, and then choose to go back to being-sad.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-09#1623585 << i humbly think there is a bit of a false dichotomy happening here (first approximation of what "here" is could be, "mircea_popescu's head.") either X is doing useful work for tmsr, or X is necessarily wasting time doing whatever-X-but-not-tmsr'y things (including "having dayjob(s)", "large side-project", etc.) ☝︎
asciilifeform: i can only suppose that the last plunger mircea_popescu used, was a bit too thin
asciilifeform: 'The disclosures “equip our adversaries with tools and information to do us harm,” said Ryan Trapani, a spokesman for the C.I.A. He added that the C.I.A. is legally prohibited from spying on individuals in the United States and “does not do so.”'
ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/wallet.cpp?v=makefiles#0306 << the "no seriously i mean it" flag in action
ben_vulpes: eh i've yet to get my sucking tonight
mircea_popescu: i imagine he's now going to spend a pleasant half hour seing various alphanumeric strings on assorted parts.
mircea_popescu: i don't ask suck things in person, as you well know i'm socially shy. gotta do it from behind kbd.
mircea_popescu: lol! i wanted to ask her!
asciilifeform: answered 'if you want, i'll do it, whatever'
mircea_popescu: and yeah, bring her over, i wanna ask her why she don't do teh boob scribbling
asciilifeform: or i'd naively imagine he oughta
asciilifeform: i dun do much for the sad folx, who know that they have tickets reserved for same wagen
mircea_popescu: perhaps explain to him that the entire point is for "the people" to be doomed, and i mean it quite literally, warsaw ghetto liquidation style.
asciilifeform: fwiw, and i think i mentioned this in the past, asciilifeform's own brother knows what we do here, and likes to say 'futile, people are idiots, nobody will use genuine crypto,' etc
asciilifeform: aha, picture it, i could be in there nao, massaging Classification Guides (tm) (r) or somesuch cthonian horror
asciilifeform: while we have this thread: i often come back in my head to the question of why folx visit, and then choose to go back to being-sad. ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: i happen to have entire www dedicated to the particular variant of being sad!111
asciilifeform: (i have some notion of what ought ~not~ to go on the table. but 'omit liquishit' does not get you a champion cook title )
asciilifeform: but i'd be the last to know what ought to go on such a table.
asciilifeform: i even suspect that the ~truly~ capable have formed lethal allergy to entire notion of programming a comp
mircea_popescu: that's a large part of the true problem, i suspect -- people who are truly capable are VERY used to labouring in solitude, becauyse hey, ever since about 6 they encountered the unleashed idiocy of world and formed bad habits.
mircea_popescu: anyway, but the "i go write trbi" thing is not particularly useful as an exercise in solipsism, herculean or otherwise.
mircea_popescu: me too, but i'm not intelligent enough to be able to say something this soon.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: since we're on subj of 'trbi', i was hoping to see the thread continue, re whether mempools, or whether my particular, or some other, scheme for abolition of mempool can be made to work , and so forth
phf: well, i regret spending so much energy on infrastructure, but i saw it as necessary evil. the fact that others had to i see in terms of personal failure at best
asciilifeform: i oughta be quite specific re : 'nobody wants'. say i write a trbi, along one of the described schemes. nao wat -- mircea_popescu mines it ? and after this, who will want it ? 'just another premined alt!111' etc.
mircea_popescu: ain't convincing, i meant.
mircea_popescu: the "at some point the idiots pulling on the tablecloth will rip it, and the a) here's a replacement is way better than the b) i guess we should think of replacement" ?
asciilifeform: ( hey nubbins, i dun need the b00k no moar!111!! )
mircea_popescu: i may dare say the same, especially in the evenings after a cognac or two.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw at this point i understand (in the arithmetic sense) how it (protocolically) worx
mircea_popescu: i'm a low information fucking voter, bitcoin is a) unreadable and b) a humongous uncomprehended problem anyway!
asciilifeform: i dun see a 'third' here
mircea_popescu: "and having so judged, i will now apply myself to problem i selected by criteria."
mircea_popescu: "oh hurr durr, i am going to now judge this list."
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how to address the problem (clearly generated by the unfortunate combination of deep imbecility inborn in americans and the deep suicidal streak of the female state as it is), and so what can i say.
asciilifeform: i have deeply nfi, my contact with this species, fwiw, is 0. there is ppm of cockroach in my coffee, and ppm of mouse in my bread, there is 0 of these in my anything afaik.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i expect it;s some flimsy attempt to attention whore through keyword stuffing by some inept cunt in california, who has a lot of college debt and utterly no skills to speak of.
mircea_popescu: i imagine.
mircea_popescu: but i'm not about to burn regency furniture for heat, and i'm not about to set girls that can go out and talk to people in front of a computer to ada.
mircea_popescu: well, there's no if. i dun need, tis the fucking point of life in any sense. the less you need the better off you'll be.
asciilifeform: i said: 'if'
mircea_popescu: i'm not going to squeeze the world through the eye of a needle because i'm so infatuated with conceptual beauty that i can't resist. i can resist jus' fine.
mircea_popescu: i'd like to see it succeed. that's how far it goes.
mircea_popescu: understand, i was mp before bitcoin was invented. i will be mp after it crashes and burns. tis not a need, for me.
mircea_popescu: anyway. not all good things are for that goodness necessarily permitted to exist. maybe humanity is altogether too dumb to have a bitcoin. i guess in time we'll definitely find out.
asciilifeform: i have 0 comment on what the duck and the ox are worth
asciilifeform: last i looked out the window i was as 'in' the field as one might hope in any nightmare, neh
mircea_popescu: i'm not about to turn an ox into a duck. and to be very clear, one obedient gurl is worth about fifty or so exceptional programmers.
mircea_popescu: and shall i send you in the field ?
asciilifeform: esp given that i discovered how to use NO DB
asciilifeform: paradoxically a trb-i is light years easier than 'cleaned trb' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: vaguely maybe we cut the wallet, i dunno, sometime in 2018, vaguely maybe we make the first steps towards testing some basics re possible db move, maybe by 2019 etc
mircea_popescu: oh i see.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-07 18:49 mircea_popescu: just as long as i pay 700 bux to the trb, it's not going anywhere.
asciilifeform: (i have deeply nfi re what's keeping'em. they can fire the phorkwarz first shot whenever)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some voting bs, i've not followed too closely.
ben_vulpes: oh no i'm thinking of ccl
phf: in related http://www.method-combination.net/blog/archives/2017/03/07/nibbles-and-ironclad-releases.html " I will no longer be maintaining nibbles, ironclad, nor any of my other Common Lisp packages"
asciilifeform: all of this is quite the lulzfest to asciilifeform : none of it existed a few yrs ago when i last looked
phf: last post from "symbolics lisp engineer": I've decided to participate in ProcJam 2016 this year. For a change of pace, I'm building a small roguelike in Clojure with a Unity3D front-end.
phf: i was on a channel with that character, until the s/r got so low, i had to leave. amongst the things he did, put in a chip backwards "it dun work", rebuilt power supply by sending it to "we rebuilt power supplies" company that did it for $900 for him
trinque: I guess it's the next step up from "no, I only type on a mechanical typewriter"
asciilifeform: this isn't the only 1 on the net, either, i found several, they bought lispms, one took hundreds of photos of himself 'hipstering' near it, then one final one where it (??!) burned down ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2014-08-30 21:23 asciilifeform: i later learned that v. n. chelomei (famous soviet rocket designer) proposed the placement of atomic bombs near u.s. east costs using a scheme much like this. (official story - it was vetoed as barbaric)
asciilifeform: BUT i do have the chip, bought for some bux, from the old days of giving a shit, and so offer it to phf et al.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did describe earlier, having concluded a few yrs ago that it is cheaper, easier, moar pleasant, to cut appart 'snap4' emulator (i have a pc build here ~with debug symbols~, comes apart in ida nicely) than to suffer with nitric acid and electron microscope ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: though i wonder if optical microscope will be worth a damn in this case : iirc smbx cpu was 'gate array', an early form of fpga based on mask rom
asciilifeform: (i don't expect to ever run across another.)
asciilifeform: i'll post the board at own expense, but i only have 1
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 22:11 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623164 << i missed that. i've reached out to zeptobars people and they are obviously interested in doing the scans as long as i provide the chip and they can post it to their site
mircea_popescu: but i'm sure this isn't in any sense manual ; just a very relevant site. notwithstanding no content and no links. ALGORITHMS!!!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo amusingly, i noticed them because they rank for ANY GOOGLE SEARCH with ukraine in it, among plenty others.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 14:32 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623154 << phf do you presently have with what to make die shot ? i do have a dead xl1201 cpu board here.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623164 << i missed that. i've reached out to zeptobars people and they are obviously interested in doing the scans as long as i provide the chip and they can post it to their site ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: and i misdllnamed, not even same name
mircea_popescu: o fuck, i mischanned.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why same name of dll, i have nfi, but satoshi's only had openssl
asciilifeform: somehow i always recall emperor qin shi huangdi, and his order to bury the 'scholars' and then plant melons for royal table
mircea_popescu: i think your theory is outlaying to the point of irrelevance.
mircea_popescu: it all starts when mothers wanting their kid to stop shitting himself prefer, rather than strangle one pour encourager les autres, to i dunno, give him a cookie every time he shat in the designated pot. prepubescent prostitution would have been a healthier habit, and more productive for the wee tyke ; but women are stupid in the sense of exactly this myopia.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, the sultan of 1001 nights is a guy with infinite wealth ; that is his form, and his function. and the stories about how the virgin got a lot for less than her life are the life and blood of village life. hope, i suppose, after a (very oricsh) fashion.
mircea_popescu: the traditional caliphate, incidentally, exists as a memory today (ie, a cultural mark) and existed historically (ie, as a civilisation) principally, and i do mean that, ~principally~ because an early fellow invented the superb literary device of giving people in payment not just actual value, but caftans! strips of cloth written on! that then they can value to whatever arbitrary value they wish, to offset the absurd valuatio
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 15:02 phf: unless you're an mp, you don't have a choice to tell fuck you to local fauna, and the whole "i can pay whatever" only plays it out well in shitty miami based tv shows
mircea_popescu: unwhite nonmen, i mean.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 14:50 asciilifeform: as i picture it, a, e.g., mircea_popescu , would apply the only known pill: to create a kind of miniature british raj, where the locals know the consequences of misbehaviour