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trinque: yep, I'm just making sure nobody expects more
than "caught linux in working state at point in
time" just yet
☟︎ trinque: what I'm doing is replacing
the "rsync ebuilds from server" mechanism
trinque: I do not intend
to boil
the ocean by replacing portage
trinque: the
thing's far
too wrapped in on itself yet
diana_coman: in
that case
the "starter" is using cuntoo, sure
diana_coman: my understanding was
that
the starter would be just
that, fixed minimal
thing
to get started, I don't see
the need
to change it and/or keep in sync
diana_coman: the part I don't get is: what does "pressed manually with gnupatch" earn you vs "manually verify sig on
this archive here"? (I assume
the archive won't be 100MB of shit, ofc)
diana_coman: well, if it's "give"
then it will have
to be signed
tar as far as I can
tell, I still don't see why one would basically import gnu patch just in order
to "give n00b" anything;
the options are always either "take what exists i.e. on
trust " (in which case archive) or "go and make your own" in which case what's
the problem
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 16:40 phf: apropos i want
to move vtools
to keccak, but i'm not sure what's
the best way
to solve bootstrapping problem. a signed
tar archive of a press
that can be used
to bootstrap or manual press instructions using gnu patch?
mircea_popescu: what's not physically impossible is
that his code would greatly benefit from another read by an alf infuriated by
the chore. but anyways!
mircea_popescu: as long as you patch on his keccak
tree i can't see how it could not be.
mircea_popescu: in diff life, alf will be convicted
to be painter, go
through above process, lose mind.
mircea_popescu: alf did not go
to school of scholarly beauty, "oh,
that is
the best one you've made so far, here, let me break it up for you and do it again".
mircea_popescu: which is why
the joib of research scientist and science educator diverges : you
teach people by permitting
them
to get
themselves caught. women,
too.
mircea_popescu: i frankly don't see much problem with it either way ; but i will say
that your lie-detectors suffer from a certain naivite, whereby
they're
tuned
to catch reality lying (ie, something
that has no reflexivity, will lie regardless of your apparatus).
this is not so useful with people.
mircea_popescu: right.
then it follows, "but if you
think
this is not
the place, ie,
trust phf...
then why not
trust him ?". is your retort here what i imaginarily quoted, "because i like
to use
the measuring
tools i have whether needed or not" ?
mircea_popescu: "yes mp, but best used other places, it's still expensive" "but if you
think
this is not
the place, ie,
trust phf...
then why not
trust him ?" "because i like
to use
the measuring
tools i have whether needed or not" ?
mircea_popescu: i could see
the direct "well -- i had read his old one ; dun wanna re-read
the new one, if it's same." but... i
thought re-reading was one of our values ?
mircea_popescu: so -- what exactly is lost if phf just signs and publishes a new
tree ?
mircea_popescu: kinda
the "what exactly" delineation is
the point of
this discussion. obv
the actual case is relatively unimportant.
mircea_popescu: pretty much ~any~ regrind, regenesis, etc of
this item bearing his signature is ~idempotent~
to extant material.
mircea_popescu: this is
true ; but in
this case
there's no continuity
to be maintained. phf is
the sole contributor of
the entire
tree.
mircea_popescu: and you want
to build a State around protecting him
thusly from himself ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i do not agree
that heuristic is useful.
mircea_popescu: if "phf signed" is ~not~ enough proof
to you,
then why is "phf signed" enough proof
to you
that his vtools doesn't come alive at night andf fuck my wife ?
mircea_popescu: (notwithstanding how
the narrow construction obviously reflects your own measuring
tools and naught else ?)
mircea_popescu: in
the sense
that you suspect he might be
trustworthy in general, but a liar as
to
that specific narrowly construed
topic ?
mircea_popescu: ie,
that
there's a relationship between "old" and "new" is a
tenuous point, if by relationship is meant more
than "phf wrote"
mircea_popescu: but phf, who is
the author of
the
thing, did not in fact lose his head and arm by
the process of having released
the "original" ie sha version. he can just as much authorship a "new" ie, keccak version. and it'll be EXACTLY as much a genesis as
that was, in ALL respects.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but i mean, what's
the boot sequence here contemplated ?
BingoBoingo: I see not reason not
to go with
the
tar seeing how gnupatch is enemy materials
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 15:18 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i like
the new v format, but i also very strongly wish
to avoid coming
to resemble
the urbit people, with
their 'aah we restarted
the universe for
the 7th
time'
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, sha is historical accident, nothing starts as it,
thence no boot.
therefore -- just publish it self referentially and who dun like can go
to hell.
mircea_popescu: i frankly do not perceive we have a bootstrapping problem. bootstrapping occurs when you have
to
turn a primitive into an ulterior --
there is such a
thing as a bootstrapping problem of
the fetus into adulthood because all adults start as foetii.
phf: apropos i want
to move vtools
to keccak, but i'm not sure what's
the best way
to solve bootstrapping problem. a signed
tar archive of a press
that can be used
to bootstrap or manual press instructions using gnu patch?
☟︎ phf: diana_coman: kk, will
test and upload
mircea_popescu: (the "best
they could" line is, who could have ever guessed, a
throwback
to "il joue comme il peut, le pauvre" line in le petit baigneur. because i speak french, what! and "speak" dun mean "my hoovercraft is fulla eels", not here anyway.)
phf: every "tea party" i've ever been invited
to degraded very rapidly once parents were satisfied with
their cursory inspection and left us alone. at
the
time i was convinced it was my doing, but now i realize
that
the cover up is
the format
mircea_popescu: and
thanks fucking dog for
the
trilema, otherwise i'd be pretty hard pressed
to make
that whole 2013 point in
the narrow space between
two irc lines. or for
that matter narrow
time.
mircea_popescu: children indeed do not nor ever do play "tea party" without insistent adult intervention -- and even
then not long past its cessation. but children very much do play something errily akin
to what
today'd pass for "bdsm" accuplation, male dominated, female receptive sorta
thing.
mircea_popescu: because no, it's not such an idle question as all
that --
there is a whole subset of four-five ish
to maybe sixish year olds who genuinely look like
they're just about
to fuck but for
the lack of functional organs and knowledge of function.
phf: hehe it's
true, whatever learned
through cliffsnotes, rewritten "in own words", with
the originals on a bookshelf as
totems of learning
mircea_popescu: i kinda like
the femtard rewrite of piaget. it's something i always wanted
to see in my formative years, "what if
there was a monastery of mongoloids somewhere, and
they hand-copied
the
texts '''as best
they cou;d''' ?". it'd have been solid gold for
the anthropologist / historian of religion, back when he still cared. but... no such
thing.
mircea_popescu: ahh,
this article. "Some examples [limited strictly
to girls&faggots styles, because forcing
the sisters
to play victim in some sort of injuns&cowboys game is very much not what kids do first and foremost] of symbolic play include playing house, or having a
tea party. "
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 15:02 mircea_popescu: (large portion of what informs "cultural marxism" bla bla on social media
today, but
that's hardly
their fault.)
mircea_popescu: which "children learn best
through play" is even
true, but
the catch is -- children do nothing else anyway. if
they learn at all...
mircea_popescu: but possibly meaning was different -- best i can
tell
the idea was
that receptor is incapable of decoding message for substantive lack. usually applied in school context, "class bells draw some kids
to class, has no effect on others" sorta
thing.
phf: but yeah "influence" of piaget as reduced
to "children learn best
through play"
phf: if it's a human who's hearing
then
the stress is on
the meaning, where if it's a dog
the stress becomes on
the location (i.e.
the dog would want
to seek out
the source)
phf: the idea is
that if you don't know
the particular location from which
the bells are ringing you will misinterpret
their meaning
phf: i'm not sure
the dog part fits
mircea_popescu had heard
this befoar as "the dog hears
the bells, but doesn't understand where from".
phf: in russia
they say "he hears
the bells, but doesn't know where
they are coming from"
mircea_popescu: if anyone dares
talk of "mp's influence" in a century in fucking chinese, ima personally return with all my dead friends and feed
them dead dumplings.
mircea_popescu: phf "influence" in
the sense of some morons
that spoke neither french, nor german, nor italian. piaget was fucking swiss.