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trinque: what, you have an iPhone? great, kid. my great grandmother had 14 kids and her man was a coal miner. and they all ate.
trinque: I think rather that it's a mark of a ~severely impoverished~ society that pregnancy is this harrowing pitfall ☟︎☟︎
trinque: so then we've made multiple generations of women that get pregnant and miscarry once a month?
trinque: regarding the pill, I wouldn't be surprised at all if it's had a profound impact on female behavior. ☟︎
trinque: well yeah, but a) they're fucking uncomfortable and b) see A. ☟︎
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/03/17/of-condoms-and-other-helmets/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Of condoms and other helmets.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's also a sub, "laser replacement for radiotherapy". i dunno tho.
mircea_popescu: rarefied plasma experiments ; the place has a history of doing hyperexcited ions research
a111: Logged on 2017-01-10 04:09 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you were thinking 'laser fusion' -- it's a cynical fraud, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-14#921351
mircea_popescu: think for a moment lol. wtf, nuke plant doesn't put out 1pw
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> on occasion. yes with teeth. i also pluck their legs and let them die. in general i torture a good half of all mosquitoes. << i like his enthusiasm. im usually content to simply smash them like @ c3. but, hey, i gotta try this.
mircea_popescu: tiger's only a quarter ton or so.
asciilifeform: iirc the typical 'eaten by tiger' candidate is not the owner, but a sometime visitor.
mircea_popescu: yeah. it's a very strong version of i suppose westernarck. if it's seen you for a long time it's not likely to attack unprovoked.
mircea_popescu: yeah, popular, with a certain kind of guy.
mircea_popescu: i knew a guy who kept a couple.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-15 00:29 mircea_popescu: pretty fine example of exactly why warren was so vocal (item was strictly a barony created so elizabeth warren could be barron OF SOMETHING). this cfpb item spent 55mn on "renovations" of its hq, ie more than the gsa spent that year on everything the usg owns ; spent immensely on travel (which is not something they do). the chairman is supposed to not be removable by the president except "for cause" (meanwhile that got strick
asciilifeform: but there is a set of 'fried chicken niggers' (tm)(r)(trilema) in ru, who want to change this, so that they can http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-15#1627253 on it. ☝︎
asciilifeform: of course this is a circus, neither a concrete raccoon nor all of them put together, have any official 'rights' in ru.
asciilifeform: 'by filming the raccoon with a naked woman, the defendant inflicted harm on the population of raccoons. Now, every who sees this given film or photograph, will associate raccoons directly with erotica.'
danielpbarron: russia, check. tits, check. classic catch phrase, check! https://tjournal.ru/42043-ispolzovat-zhivotnih-v-eroticheskoi-reklame-eto-zoofiliya >> "The raccoon has come to expect that treats await him between a woman's breasts," the zoo says in a lawsuit
mircea_popescu: hey, nobody cares "our democracy" was built by no less a man than mussolini.
asciilifeform: built by no less a man than heidrich.
asciilifeform: incidentally how come 'nobody' cares that interpol was a nazi org ?
asciilifeform: the mosquitoes here in mosquitolandia are large, but apparently not quite the size of mircea_popescu's ( though at c3 i saw a great many mosquitoes, but 0 bit ! some sort of incompatibility..? )
mircea_popescu: on occasion. yes with teeth. i also pluck their legs and let them die. in general i torture a good half of all mosquitoes.
mircea_popescu: possibly that nobody gives a shit.
asciilifeform: 'Belan had been publicly indicted in September 2012 and June 2013 and was named one of FBI’s Cyber Most Wanted criminals in November 2013. An Interpol Red Notice seeking his immediate detention has been lodged (including with Russia) since July 26, 2013. Belan was arrested in a European country on a request from the U.S. in June 2013, but he was able to escape to Russia before he could be extradited. Instead of acting on the U.S. g
asciilifeform: 'A grand jury in the Northern District of California has indicted four defendants, including two officers of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB), for computer hacking, economic espionage and other criminal offenses in connection with a conspiracy, beginning in January 2014, to access Yahoo’s network and the contents of webmail accounts.'
asciilifeform: in other lulz, even though preet is out, preet-style lulzindictments of folx nowhere near usgistan, are still a thing : https://cryptome.org/2017/03/dokuchaev-001.pdf ( turdalicious fax scan, no plain text available yet afaik )
Framedragger: > Melonport, the company behind Melon, had a very successful Initial Coin Offering (ICO), hitting its target of 227,000 ETH
Framedragger: > Melon is a protocol for managing digital assets that is decentralized, modular, transparently auditable, and low cost
mircea_popescu: basically this was a case of business jet yachting.
ben_vulpes: but i am not a big bird specialist
ben_vulpes: davout: aiui, nobody cranks the effecting surfaces around, but uses a small flap to do so.
davout: ben_vulpes: that rings a bell, not a mega-planes specialist, yet
asciilifeform: davout: you can lift a house with hand-cranked mechanical force, just takes time
veen: anyway lesson here is that heavy, slow, and high-drag config means shoving a metric fuck ton of air around, and said airmass remains energized for a long while
asciilifeform: at least thing ~had~ mechanical linkage. picture a 'by wire' machine.
ben_vulpes: i imagine the actuation forces in a hyraulicized biz jet are...larger
davout: or, you know, flown a cessna
ben_vulpes: well at first i thought it was a good pun on don sancho using the portugese dao, and punning on teh dao attacker
ben_vulpes: heh k that's a pretty good nick
asciilifeform: davout: the fundamental fallacy is the notion that bitcoin, absent the 'ladder' of transactions from a valid coinbase to your particular unspentolade, is still in whatever sense 'bitcoin'
davout: i think pruning would compare better to cutting everyone's throat "just a little" bit than "cutting one's own throat"
davout: trinque: basically your point, which seems absolutely valid, is that past a certain depth you simply can't do a reorg, right?
davout: mircea_popescu: not really because i'm not particularly interested in discussing pruning from a position where i'm somehow supposed to defend it
davout: asciilifeform: the "full chain" thing is simply in the context of asking a clarification to the question
a111: Logged on 2017-03-10 14:50 Framedragger: i like my rc airplanes. "the will of history necessitates you to X" has a marx'ified hegelian vibe :p
mircea_popescu: the "alternatives" narrative. a deep matter, going all the way to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624181 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: bitcoin really doesn't have that many nodes active, nor has, for a while now.
asciilifeform: if you have enough of these, bitcoin per se becomes a very questionable proposition
asciilifeform: davout: understand, anyone who runs a node that cannot or will not produce 'historical' record ~from genesis up to currentheight~ is an attacker. doing his own small bit to nail bitcoin .
trinque: davout: I'm saying spurious blocks claiming a very old parent block
mircea_popescu: currently, blockchain is a ~whole~ story which has to check out. this can be verified. a partial story can never check out, and consequently can never be verified.
trinque: can't even say they ~ever~ were a part of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i see no need for the subertfuge. if tomorrow thing is pruned to include "last 1k blocks" i'll just mine a 1k long chain in which everyone donates their coin to me, and bomb all the miners who refuse to mine on it. pie.
davout: i'm merely looking for things i'd have missed apart from "being unable to serve peers historical data is a dealbreaker"
trinque: thing wants something like 50Gb per year; couple of terabytes and you're good for a long time.
asciilifeform: it's precisely how all successful usgizations went -- slow, frogboiling replacement of a protocolic guarantee with a promisetronic one that is Just As Good (until it isn't, at which point you're long fucked)
trinque: over a private channel, even
asciilifeform: proponents of 'pruning' want to replace 'the weight of 400k blocks' with a promisetronic 'checkpoint list'. which, i imagine the game plan is, to eventually include deviations from the usual proof of work, per gavin's unabashed declaration where 'WE say what the blocks were'
mircea_popescu: blockchain replacement in a "pruned" scheme costs... whatever your pruning interval is.
asciilifeform: and 'i want to not have printolade exist' and 'i want not to have to buy new hdd every year' is such a pair.
trinque: surely that wasn't 'every clever kid wants a fish to eat and a cock to sit upon' ?
davout: trinque: "if the whole net is trimming" <<< that seems like a valid objection to me
asciilifeform: davout: if you aren't storing the historical data, you are not a peer. you are a pseudonode.
davout: doesn't really matter where you get it from, as long as it verifies, you're not asking your connected peers for a wot identity, yet you take their data and verify it independently
trinque: if the whole net is trimming how am I with a new node going to verify once
mircea_popescu: it'd necessarily be a scheme with expiring coins, seems to me.
asciilifeform: there is nor cannot be such a thing where a fortranesque '1 := 2' produces a consistent state.
mircea_popescu: as to the direct question, a pruned chain may make sense, if someone came up with a way to do it sanely. this seems impossible on bitcoin-as-it-is, and perhaps unlikely in the general.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-27 16:56 mircea_popescu: but the correct trb-i might just as well end up this situation where block reward is 1mn bitcoin, and it dies within 1mn blocks. so all mining does is produce ~ a lease ~ on a chunk of bitcoin. and the value of old bitcoin is monotonically decreasing over their lifetime.
asciilifeform: if you cannot show a coinbase origin for EVERY coin that ever existed, you have printolade.
asciilifeform: davout, mircea_popescu : a 'pruned' bitcoin ~= usd.
davout: as a naive question, what exactly is the problem with pruning?
mod6: <+davout> it did not occur to these monkeys that somehow it might also make sense to ~not~ include a subject line reading "O HAI YOU HAZ X DEPOSIT KTHXBYE" << lol, huuurrrr
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: yeah, but falls apart if i want to hold onto a signed thing.
davout: it did not occur to these monkeys that somehow it might also make sense to ~not~ include a subject line reading "O HAI YOU HAZ X DEPOSIT KTHXBYE"
davout: in other GPG-related lulz, when I decided to give the kraken idiots a chance, i ticked the "Encrypt mail sent to me with GPG" and gave my key
a111: Logged on 2017-03-16 18:41 ben_vulpes: enTIREly unrelated, does anyone know how to get gpg to decrypt a message that is also signed, but to produce the signature in addition to saying that the signature is good?
mircea_popescu: a sort of ad-hoc !!v-ing i guess. works.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger he just got a pile of encrypted-and-signed crap. how does he get message and signature now.
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: sorry for being obtuse, but if by 'show signature' you mean print signature in ascii-armored way, why can't you `echo 'foo' | gpg --clearsign > a.txt`, then `cat a.txt | gpg --encrypt --recipient recipient-username > b.bin`, then `gpg --decrypt b.bin`? (this assumes gpg is interactive and will ask for password, so best to break it into multiple commands)
mircea_popescu: that's not even a bad idea.
trinque: he proposes stuffing the sausage in a sock
davout: ben_vulpes: only a terrorist would want to see the signature
ben_vulpes: checking could possibly be a thing after
Framedragger: wasn't sure what you were trying to do, sorry - you want to first decrypt a message, *then* check signature - but check how beyond 'signature is good'?
ben_vulpes: enTIREly unrelated, does anyone know how to get gpg to decrypt a message that is also signed, but to produce the signature in addition to saying that the signature is good? ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-16 18:26 davout: in case where A was ~never~ spent, after a block containing its reintroduction gets reorg'd, it can't ~ever~ be spent
asciilifeform: davout: per current trb rules (which , see earlier, is different from prb's ! even) A gotta be spent before it can reappear.
davout: but it's not clear to me how exactly this works when the first introduction of A was spent
asciilifeform: davout: correct. and recall, reorg is a local, rather than global, phenomenon
davout: in case where A was ~never~ spent, after a block containing its reintroduction gets reorg'd, it can't ~ever~ be spent ☟︎
asciilifeform: davout: it would not, because A is not 'marked spent', it does not exist in the index at all after the reorg.
asciilifeform: davout: correct, but only tells half of the story. it is unspendable in the sense that whoever mined the original A, is left to be sad. but A can be reintroduced now. and with it, all of the tx that used it as an input.
davout: coinbase A is now unspendable
davout: say there is a coinbase A in block 10
asciilifeform: because it was built by somebody who was dropped as a baby, and uses tx id as if it were guaranteed unique, then turns around and 'oops, they aren't, but it doesn't matter Because Reasons'