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lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635838 << That worx. No rush, I'll be around :) ☝︎

mircea_popescu: but i meant re the sulphur mine boys of eg southern italy 19th century.

danielpbarron: might have been a trilema article, i don't recall exactly

danielpbarron: that's what you said somewhere, i wouldn't know

danielpbarron: i think it might be comparable to camwhores and ptsd. having their attention constantly split here and there trying to appease everyone

danielpbarron: plus all karaoke djs tend to be a little weird in a way particular to that profession; i don't care to become like that

mircea_popescu: but then again i never knew any karaoke pros.

mircea_popescu: it being fundamentally an azn thing, i expect it works just like star wars etc. can be pro, but it means a certain thing.

danielpbarron: yes that too. a few days ago someone was saying "oh you should be on america's got talent!" and i'm like "haha no way"

danielpbarron: you found a good venue of the dj is willing to download songs on the spot. my favorite place is a portugese bar where the guy will play from youtube if he doesn't have the song. that's the only way I can properly sing Lil Wayne -- find the instrumental version and read lyrics from my phone

danielpbarron: people tell me i should do it professionally, but to me it's just a fun thing to do. i think it would not be fun if i tried to make money with it

mircea_popescu: danielpbarron they weren't offended in the slightest. i think the only proper way to describe tico mindset is "eagerly open minded".

danielpbarron: but i really confuse them because i also sing things like simon and garfunkel really well

danielpbarron: i also offend locals. my favorite things to sing are the most violent rap like Eminem

mircea_popescu: danielpbarron not personally ; i'm just promiscuous, will go anywhere alcohol is served.

danielpbarron: ooo you do karaoke!? i do that several times a week

asciilifeform: i suspect that my entire picture of spanish world is skewed by marquez

mircea_popescu: everyone was very... living up to the occasion of the sacred language blessing their venue. then i explained what the lyrics said, and i think they were a little aghast

mircea_popescu: in other lulz, yest went with hanbot an' coupla locals to this "sports bar" where they run girl's footsketball (i have nfi, small indoor court, nice asses, ball kicking) and karaoke.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the way i see it, doing http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit by being 10,000,001 people trying nonsense, and then writing as the 1 surviving taleb, is exactly same as doing it via the usual 10,000,001 sybils

mircea_popescu: i dunno how much patience for extremely elaborate musical romanian insider jokes teh republic finds within itself, but anyway, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yharM4yByNM

Framedragger: i think i see what you mean. i'm not convinced he's actually trying to teach just that, but fair enough.

asciilifeform: one of the things i always liked about mircea_popescu is that he never did this.

jurov: I will wait with the shares till that is resolved.

jurov: BingoBoingo: i have a comment on qntra monthly report, it awaits moderation

mircea_popescu: i imagine 50% of rats exist so random wankers can watch the girl in 8a work as a camho without having to pay for the "credits"

mircea_popescu: shinohai i read that as "the system has decided the value to it of this $random is 200k."

Framedragger: asciilifeform: ^ (but i don't have a point to prove, just that i didn't see much to blame there, however i could just be my usual naive)

Framedragger: "and have my esteemed pedigree tree"? isn't part of his (by now, tired, yes) point to the effect of the exact opposite? ("trust your biology, folklore, etc., they're better than experts telling you things"; "i won't give advice on $currency because i don't hold positions in $currency hence not exposed to the risk", so on)

mircea_popescu: now you know why i don't tend to read him.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: other observation re taleb -- i find his works quintessentially 'american', in the most damning sense of the word -- they are exactly 'salvation through method' - 'do-s and dont-s', 'don't use black-scholes', 'do worship at my feet, and have my esteemed pedigree tree, and sit on the sunny shores of the levant, and You Too Could Be A God Like Me' etc.

mircea_popescu: i don't specifically care re "arrogance" or whatever other emotional manipulation in the text. i can read the barely literate productions of poorly washed 5th century jews figuring themselves "god". what's taleb gonna do to max my dosimeter.

asciilifeform: this is so. it is why i even try, occasionally, to read his material

asciilifeform: and i even have nothing, believe it or not, against lottery winners. of whatever kind. but i will not worship them.

asciilifeform: i am not a protester of the food chain.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635918 << i suspect alf has a very strong bias pro algae and anti bacteria. i'm not altogether convinced the view has any merit. ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: if it's indeed the case that taleb is your orlov, i'll comment that i'm missing out on less than you are.

a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 14:54 asciilifeform: also fwiw i can't stand taleb for exactly same reason

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635912 << i don't personally find taleb objectionable. this position my be significantly bolstered by my disinclination to actually read him. anyway -- i suspect it might be a case of anaphylaxis. you can't stand specific antigens which he expresses mostly to protect himself from the idiot soup he bathes in, the twitter world etc. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: mebbe. i have nfi really.

asciilifeform: i remember him from couplea yrs ago; 'economist' and dietary crackpot

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635906 << lebanese iirc expat ; did some research work in the us. not actually stupid but altogether lazy and possessed of a very inflated sense of self-worth and self-importance (it seems to rub off on foreigners faster than on locals, this typical ustardism. i guess it would be because the immigrants self-select for sensitivity to the infection). ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 09:36 diana_coman: it seems that academia meanwhile went even faster downhill than I thought possible; at this rate it will soon produce colouring books and "educate" people on how pencils are not even good for much besides making marks on paper (for which one can use their hands anyway! there's one chapter on that plus 10 on history of mark-making and its perks)

a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 08:20 saifedean: i see the postdoc years have taken their toll. Academics are incapable of actually thinking of anything other than rituals of methodology

shinohai: I sometimes read his stuff, but he is very arrogant for someone that simply parrots existing works.

asciilifeform: (d00d who thinks that he's a demigod, but i have nfi what he actually accomplished with ~own~ hands other than the tired old trick of 'turning a billion $ into a million')

asciilifeform: also fwiw i can't stand taleb for exactly same reason ☟︎

asciilifeform: if d00d had toiled in a lab for 20 yrs -- that is some, bare, minimal contact with physical reality and cause-effect systems, perhaps comparable with an auto mechanic's 20 yrs in garage. and so i might listen to an experimentalist for ~that~ reason.

shinohai: I mean real sources.

a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 08:20 saifedean: i see the postdoc years have taken their toll. Academics are incapable of actually thinking of anything other than rituals of methodology

diana_coman: it seems that academia meanwhile went even faster downhill than I thought possible; at this rate it will soon produce colouring books and "educate" people on how pencils are not even good for much besides making marks on paper (for which one can use their hands anyway! there's one chapter on that plus 10 on history of mark-making and its perks) ☟︎

diana_coman: lolz @ ritualism; I ask for practical, hands-on experience that would give him something to say on the topic and he points me to bla-bla; I point out it is bla-bla unsupported and without any concern to even allow people to verify it should they be inclined to do so and he claims it's rituals I'm asking for

saifedean: i see the postdoc years have taken their toll. Academics are incapable of actually thinking of anything other than rituals of methodology ☟︎☟︎

diana_coman: the links you sent are essentially bla-bla; not even theory since there isn't even some clear methodology one could evaluate, nor clear supporting arguments to the claims; I won't waste any more time on it

diana_coman: I didn't mean to get involved and do something useful with "blockchain technology"; I meant at the very least running a node, exploring the network

diana_coman: read this: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2832751 <- the answer to the title would be "well, how the hell would you know?" ; really, get involved and do something useful with it and then talk about what you did; so far I see only a re-hash a la acm/journalism/whatevers, not-even-proper-systematic-lit-review

diana_coman: might mention that I was a post-doc at some point in life ☟︎

saifedean: and I'm happy to send you the work in progress first draft, but don't want to publish online yet

saifedean: I've written two related papers: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2832751

saifedean: it's a good answer when you consider that I have the bullshit mainstream credentials most cattle imagine would qualify one to opine on this topic, and that I did not mention that to answer your question because I know cattle credentials don't mean shit.

saifedean: I guess you'll have to read it and judge for yourself. In any case the topic isn't bitcoin per se, it's mostly about sound money, and how bitcoin is the digital solution to this perplexing age old problem that has fucked humanity eternally

saifedean: If any of you good folk would like to get a sneak peak at the first draft, I'd appreciate the feedback

saifedean: (also, I've got a good few names happy to blurb it and hawk it to publishers)

saifedean: I'm sure you agree it's about time someone wrote something about bitcoin beyond the 'muh cheap latte processing fees'

saifedean: well, not to blow my book's horn, but this isn't some waiter's novel written out between shifts. I've put a ton of good work into it

saifedean: And even without it, I'm happy to self-publish

saifedean: no, but I wouldn't want that before it's done.Have a few connections to publishers and will ship it off to them when done

saifedean: I'm near completing it

saifedean: I'm writing a book explaining the concept of sound money to normies and how bitcoin will restore it

saifedean: I come bringing good tidings

a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 03:13 phf: as far i understand they are all essentially the same, in that they don't actually serve food.

diana_coman: lobbes, I'll gladly pay for the auction services in Eulora; Foxy's currently in a days-long craft so will have to wait for that to finish first though ☟︎

danielpbarron: learning how to gentoo is like learning how to linux 10 years ago, which fortunately I did then. Not much has changed except that all the other distros went for more automation which seems to have rendered them pointless for what linux was supposed to be about in the first place

lobbes: for some reason couldn't get it working with Debian, but probably something I fucked somewhere. meh

lobbes: nice. I'll try and find ya tomorrow. I really got to set up my old craptop to just be connected to Eulora 24/7. Currently gotta boot into my winbloze side to get the game working -_-

danielpbarron: neato, I opt for the copper payment method. i'm usually in town these days

lobbes: hell, I'll probably just pay my Republican taxes with the first bitcent-bundles I collect

lobbes: danielpbarron, I'm thinkin' that even monthly billing for the thing is too frequent due to the small sums involved. Gonna just do it on a quarterly cycle

phf: as far i understand they are all essentially the same, in that they don't actually serve food. ☟︎

phf: there's a handful of american "restaurants" i've never been to, applebees is one of them. but the list is getting smaller with time, recently i got to experience "cracker barrel"

asciilifeform: for some reason i immediately thought 'kirschner'

mircea_popescu: last i heard, idiot argentine "dreamer" was detained and deported.

asciilifeform: last i heard -- 3rd (?) consecutive 'judge' refused to un-cancel the revised immigration reform thing

asciilifeform: i've contemplated adding, e.g., 'download as pgp key', 'download as ssh key', etc buttons

mircea_popescu: lmao 310 + 310 digit factors. this'd be a 2kb key i gather ?

mircea_popescu: "but mp, my mom told me i was born with the god-given ability to make cogent arguments" "that;s probably why she fucks drunks, too."

shinohai: My last log message was http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-01#1635587 until just now. I like observing the transformation of thought that occurs when one reads these things, ☝︎

mircea_popescu: shinohai i had some follow-ups for his benefit, such as you know, "why quora is a piece of shit" http://trilema.com/2017/global-warming-on-triton/#footnote_0_71308 and other "basic combinatorics or why $nobody can't possibly have ideas / be taken seriously."

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-01#1635711 << i can't imagine the babe-iosis splittage escaped notice ? ☝︎

mircea_popescu: i suppose one shouldn't ask what color scipio had anywhere near a marble bust of same amirite.

ben_vulpes: "hold still, i gotta apply this hot thing to ya"

ben_vulpes: trinque: mircea_popescu mentioned a tick-borne thing, i pointed out that it's not prevalent anywhere near me

doppler: oh, I see.

nacci: so I do have a deedbot registration from about 6 months ago when i was checking out the eulora buzz

danielpbarron: ah, i did this a couple years ago

trinque: danielpbarron: they patched that (and I patched it myself before somebody else did in CVS tree)

danielpbarron: i have 5 of the G5s here

danielpbarron: i also got OpenBSD on iMac G3 and G5 but they aren't as nice. the G3 i gave up before getting a windows manager, and the G5 has too-new hardware that assumes you run OSX or whatever, the most annoying of which being the fan that defaults to full-throttle unless told to slow down

trinque: I had one; I forget now where the hell it went.

danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-01#1635614 << yep. I put OpenBSD ~5.6 on a iMac G4 (the one that looks like a pixar lamp-creature) ; very nice machine despite how slow it is and how there doesn't seem to be any support for the platform anymore. ☝︎