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Framedragger: (n-gate.com has HN update for the last week of march and it's a riot, http://n-gate.com/)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a winblowzism typically found on 'dell', 'hp', similar shitboxes, unpacks a new hdd image from hidden disk partition.
mircea_popescu: in other #trilema does my homework, can anyone explain wtf a "factory reset" that wipes the hdd would be ? windows speak for reinstall ?
ben_vulpes: shinohai: if they don't have a rep in here, it's vaporware by default
shinohai: I have little faith they'll ever actually get a working product, rootstock has been endless blather on reddit for well over a year.
mircea_popescu: hey, cluj had great tap water when i was a wee tyke.
asciilifeform: there was a sign, 'do NOT sniff the flowers', some visitors -- ignored, sniffed.
mircea_popescu: and now i shall leave you for a typical mp ritual, whereby i line up all the shot glasses in the house, fill each with a different kind of mineral water and make the rules that'll dominate purchasing henceforth. brb.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc there is a famous 'poison garden' in england somewhere
ben_vulpes: so i read a bit about datura, "moonflower, that sounds familiar...hey baby aren't you doing something with moonflower in the backyard this year?" "yeah! it's going to be beautiful" "..." "is this about how daturas are poisonous?" "..." "it's going in on the carport where dog and child can't get to it"
mircea_popescu: it was 100% datura. enough there for a medium sized book club.
mircea_popescu: except of course if they're signing up for a job at the walmart.
asciilifeform: 'and today, chicklets, we will learn how to properly jump under a tank'
mircea_popescu: "no hon. i'm not the right age for self-testing anymore. that's more of a 16yo thing."
asciilifeform: you don't 'lose a man' via debianization, you lose -- potentially -- entire empire.
trinque: really mircea_popescu already did. "I lost a man using Debian machines today." not only do you know something about Debian, you know something about where he was. maybe not as much as you'd like, but you have some coordinates, and more importantly, if you don't suck, *you* aren't dead
mircea_popescu: i will say, people tend to be amazed at what can fit in a head once proper trees are constructed for the fitting.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu when you were a kid, did the local boys also do the 'well ~i'll~ X' 'battle of wits' thing ? 'tomorrow i'll bring a TANK!' 'well ~i~ will bring antitank gun!' '~i~ will bring battleship!'
a111: Logged on 2017-02-24 02:36 asciilifeform: veen: let's try a historical angle. according to legend, emperor qin shi huangdi (same d00d as known for taking the 'immortality pill' and promptly croaking) had a palace with 1,500 rooms. and would not tell anyone in advance which one he plans to sleep in on a given night. and which ones he would put cutthroats in, ready to kill anyone who opens door. think 'minesweeper.'
a111: Logged on 2017-03-31 18:09 mircea_popescu: actually i was thinking, im not going to hold another conference, because it's just not a sane opsec proposition. however, one fellow at a time coming down for a week or somesuch is more than tenable. what's airfare, fiddy bux ? pack up the missus an' come say hi.
asciilifeform: ^ asciilifeform: 'say a three megatonne bomb falls, you are 1km from ground zero' mircea_popescu: 'ha-HA! i wouldn't be caught dead near ground zero! foiled!'
asciilifeform: this is more of a sarin than a phosgene.
asciilifeform: a certain drepperism sat for, what, 22 yrs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the spot check model is, again, wholly inadequate. if you have ONE debianism or heartbleed etc. it literally does not matter worth a shit how 'clean' the remainder of it may have been.
mircea_popescu: but in practical terms, i don't check all the living space all the time. i check random spots at random times and if they're dirty somebody sleeps in a zebra costume. this method keeps the place well clean, and it's how management works. hence the discussion of genovese merchants etc.
phf: we were comming from the direction of debian on 10 cds though, so restating my original point: i think bootstrapping can be solved with counterparty as an alternative to fits in head, i.e. i don't mind an approach where in order to bootstrap i get a binary from l1, that i use as a rich subtrate from which i can bootstrap.
phf: i think i see why we got on this thread. i was saying that bootstrapping is always a counterparty problem. i missed that that's not the case for fits in head (i think ascii might've tried pointing that out to me).
a111: Logged on 2017-04-04 16:07 asciilifeform: 'gotta support 10,001 incompatible but otherwise equivalent shits' is a serious hell. it plagued armies in ww1 ('hey a trainload of ammo just came. but none of it fits our 7 types of rifle, it's all for that 8th'), the sov icbm forces ('we have parts but not for these 4 types of rocket, they are for 5th') etc
asciilifeform: there is VERY little that you can say re a multi-MB binturd without spending several $mil.
mircea_popescu: but to a large degree i can predict what the ailments of the women naked on the floor will be as time withers them.
mircea_popescu: there's no dispute whatsoever then. except maybe for this much : that problem is a problem in the sense thermic death is a problem. always and everywhere without let or respite.
phf: i don't ~refuse~ it, i'm saying that differential approach is ~required~ because there's a problem. otherwise there'd be no need for an approach. i don't think it matters that approach is already presant for other purposes
mircea_popescu: i can judge whether an egg is rotten or not without being a hen myself. i can tell which kids aren't worth bothering with though i'm no mother "and i don't understand them like she does" etcetera.
phf: i didn't understand previous sentence, so i refuse to be led down a path towards a trap :p
mircea_popescu: to try and resolve it : do you believe i could be a successful genovese merchant if i couldn't add ?
mircea_popescu: yes, but this is not in reference to compilation. it's in reference to user space. i don't expect there's a magical function f, but that there's a plurality of f1..fi...fn, which can all be linear in principle.
phf: the need to not treat the binary as a black box and also the need for non-linear compilation
phf: then gosling wrote a version of emacs for a unix machine, that was used by rms as the foundation for his emacs
phf: well, since already spoilt, original emacs was written by a bunch of different people for TECO and long after rms became maintainer of that. then greenberg rewrote it in lisp (multics emacs)
mircea_popescu: might be a fun weekend project, "establish rms emacs involvement", if you're bored one weekend.
Framedragger: a port totally counts. however, as to your general point, no.
mircea_popescu: (no, noticing a nail and going "oh, i remember hammer can hit nails" is NOT technical ability. a ditzy blonde / bright dog can do the fucking same. technical ability is when you can say ~use x, because no other tool is more adequate here~. that's technical fucking ability.)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637056 << i do believe you have a point, the explanation isn't exactly idiocy, but rather, the fact that in people with no technical ability, the seepage of their political ideas into their practice was unavoidable. ☝︎
Framedragger: i understand, i just got scared like a little girl
a111: Logged on 2017-04-04 15:54 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637034 << i was planning to use pthreads for a prototype thingie for tmsr :( "EVERYTHING IS BAD"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637022 << yes, to a large degree the usage of the "tools" is more a function of the presence of the tools than of the presence of a need. just like while car is useful item, if you stop $random car occupant will not be able to explain what he's doing. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: see also http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/#selection-145.0-145.299
asciilifeform: if you have a thing-walled gm tube, you don't need a 'tritium lamp', even, can use a box of 'diet salt' (where it has K instead of Na, and ~0.01% of natural K is K-40, beta emitter)
a111: Logged on 2017-04-04 15:02 trinque: and if some idiot provides a vpatch that enables dbus, you simply do not use his key in .wot
asciilifeform: get a baseline for the light output
a111: Logged on 2017-01-25 14:20 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606472 << fwiw you can get ~5T from a halbach array (unrefrigerated permanent magnet)
asciilifeform: anybody ever stick a tritium glow tube (ubiquitous konsoomer toy) in, e.g., permanent nmr magnet ?
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone takes carbon dating seriously. outside of the you know, "ring" so to speak. it's a trade secret of the substance and nature of wrestling storylines.
mircea_popescu: couldn't get a grant.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-04 12:28 mircea_popescu: phf the main objection to your quiet style is that now i can't discern whether you a) understood the arguments and are thinking about it ; b) simply didn't understand the arguments or c) understood what was said but didn't judge it any kind of argument. express yourself, don't repress yourself!
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1636979 << i think the argument presupposes conditions that anticipate the problem, so in a sense it supports what i said originally, while also appearing in opposition ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( for extra lulz: C-14's decay -- is a beta decay.)
asciilifeform: 'gotta support 10,001 incompatible but otherwise equivalent shits' is a serious hell. it plagued armies in ww1 ('hey a trainload of ammo just came. but none of it fits our 7 types of rifle, it's all for that 8th'), the sov icbm forces ('we have parts but not for these 4 types of rocket, they are for 5th') etc ☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: in context, it was either this, or linux dun exist and it's-1995-if-you-want-a-unix-box-buy-a-sun
trinque: sure it does, but someone had to think the user getting to do what he wants was a good thing first
asciilifeform: dunno that 'it happened because tricked people with promise of Phreeedom'. it happened as a slime mold happens, as mushroom grows -- because it could, and because no pushback.
trinque: use whatever libs, whatever userland, and everything will magically work because democracy is a thing.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 13:59 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526615 << my complaint is that it adds a meg of UNREADABLE and - largely UNTESTABLE (i do not have a VMS box, nor a machine with zsh or ksh, nor do i intend to , and i REFUSE to sign code that claims to run there , srsly wtf omfg) - and that it introduces massive turd, useless language m4, go and learn it, read the implementation
asciilifeform: Framedragger: if you're building for a unixlike, you're stuck with pthreads
asciilifeform: trinque: except that it doesn't enable anybody -- if autoconf fails to find the headers, you are just as fucked as ever, gotta sit and puzzle out what environment flags to give it so that it has a sporting chance
a111: Logged on 2017-04-04 15:51 asciilifeform: to expand: say your proggy uses, i dunno, pthreads. wants to know where to find the header. WHY does this turn into a MB of scriptolade liquishit ? rather than a 1liner, that tries to find it and if not finds, prompts the user ?
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637034 << i was planning to use pthreads for a prototype thingie for tmsr :( "EVERYTHING IS BAD" ☝︎☟︎
trinque: because trying to enable luser that wouldn't be able to say. it's a sort of accessability for the disabled.
asciilifeform: it is not a mystery that such a thing originated from people with NO concept of hygiene.
asciilifeform: to expand: say your proggy uses, i dunno, pthreads. wants to know where to find the header. WHY does this turn into a MB of scriptolade liquishit ? rather than a 1liner, that tries to find it and if not finds, prompts the user ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: a fix for a 'problem' that simply does not exist on a halfway-wellmaintained system.
asciilifeform: it's a 'tv raft'
asciilifeform: a MB of autogenerated (by whom ? when ? where ? how ? no one knows for certain) liquishit -- is not readable.
asciilifeform: not everything is a matter of 'ugh, dbus'
trinque: and if some idiot provides a vpatch that enables dbus, you simply do not use his key in .wot ☟︎
trinque: I don't expect that there would for example be a diversity of republican emacs builds
trinque: asciilifeform: it occurs to me that v-ports-tree oughtn't *need* USE flags or package.mask ; those are bad solutions to "have a better WoT"
shinohai performs service, takes her money, signs off with a hearty "Mazel Tov, cyka!"
shinohai: I actually had a Russian camgirl that asked if I was Jew before she paid for services, she said she didn't like jews and wouldn't pay them xD
mircea_popescu: phf the main objection to your quiet style is that now i can't discern whether you a) understood the arguments and are thinking about it ; b) simply didn't understand the arguments or c) understood what was said but didn't judge it any kind of argument. express yourself, don't repress yourself! ☟︎
jhvh1: shinohai: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-04 02:19 mircea_popescu: leaving aside that if you got to meet beria it was all fun and games from there on, the "discotheque" was a thing even for plebs.
asciilifeform: at asciilifeform's first (dis)honest job, there was a scintillator counting machine based on this principle.
asciilifeform: there is, however, a correct part for this : 'PIN diode.' i have an experimental setup with one. at some point we might offer a fg rng module based on it. but not yet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: solar panel is not a 'fast' device.
asciilifeform: upstack mircea_popescu had the right notion, though, it is difficult to build a decay rng that does not rot.
asciilifeform: but yes, the taper off to zero is at a few m.
mircea_popescu: phase velocity of light in water is like .75, so if the water glows blue there's electrons there going > .75, meaning they'll go a few meters.
asciilifeform: beta will go a mile like mircea_popescu will sit down in his chair and go through the floor and into china sea.
mircea_popescu: nah, fast ion - matter interaction is iffy. they can go a mile.
mircea_popescu: i dunno it'd be a small bit of emitter.
asciilifeform: it would probably be something like an sram but doped with a very small bit of beta emitter isotope
mircea_popescu: now that's a point.
mircea_popescu: dunno why you'd want more than a coupla anyway. it's redundant to all fuck.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'XHCI (usb 3.0) in linux kernel is limited to 32 devices. It looks like a bug.'
mircea_popescu: more of a scene in fucking 42 leningrad than buenos aires ever saw.
mircea_popescu: the notion that ~at any point~ teh russkis lacked a night life is borne out of a very strange life.
phf has a sudden urge to get some vodka and zakuska "nu chto, bratci, odahnem, so vkusom! eeeeeeh!"
mircea_popescu: leaving aside that if you got to meet beria it was all fun and games from there on, the "discotheque" was a thing even for plebs. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this isn't to say that pre-peron argentina wasn't a major world power, it was. but at no point was greenwich village what lifetime ohioan poet imagined it to be ; and similarily the hallucinated argentina of borges is a place exactly in the sense hemingway's manhood is a manhood or blair's civilisation is a civilisation.