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diana_coman: to my mind that's pretty much the reason, yes
asciilifeform: he had a pretty good arg imho, tho, that when you write on top of a specific lib, you oughta freeze it in, rather than permit it to change 'under you' at any point.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: iirc mircea_popescu in particular specifically hates libs-as-separate-trees, insists that proggy oughta include errything it eats. ( i dun recall whether he answered why it should not also then include the os and compiler also in same genesis, but i'ma leave thread alone for nao) ☟︎
asciilifeform: part of the exercise here is to purge head of the last vestiges of dark ages 'merge-istic' versiontronics . who wants variants, gotta remember that yer pressing variants built on specific states of the trunk. ( and if trunk meanwhile changed, and you still want it, must regrind )
diana_coman: or keccak or whatever, basically making 5 tiny trees out of eucrypt tree
diana_coman: I honestly don't quite see the point of taking crc32 out for instance ☟︎
diana_coman: yes, the way I currently see it now is pretty much that: trunk (main line) goes along the production versions of all stuff (crc32 or keccak or whatever else) and otherwise at the respective points there can be additional branches /leaves with the reference implementations ☟︎
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu prefers this style to the other
asciilifeform: alternatively, both variants are physically included in euloratron tree, but then the latter has 2 pressable leaves, for the respective variants
diana_coman: ah, you mean that the only way to do this is to take crc32 out of eucrypt tree? ☟︎
diana_coman: but other than this, I don't see any need or point for reground
diana_coman: hm, perhaps being a reference implementation it makes sense to remain as branch there and otherwise the tree continues along the main line (not reference)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the way i understand 'v branching as civilized replacement for #ifdefism', the branches unavoidably gotta get reground whenever the whole tree is considered stable (i.e. no further changes likely to trunk)
diana_coman: i.e. can one effectively branch the v tree to provide an alternative .vpatch i.e. this or that stand at this place in the pressed line?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-12 18:14 diana_coman: and it fits perfectly the original idea of alternative, proper
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 15:55 diana_coman: as it is, it will be a .vpatch after the lookup implementation - so linear sequence rather than alternative; you might want to branch the tree instead from *before* the lookup implementation so that your div version is effectively alternative branch
ave1: yes, I see refers to: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862364 ☝︎
ave1: resolve though
ave1: yes, I see! I will try that too. I have no idea how it could automatically resolve (i.e. How could patch that has your original patch as it's parent ever work on top of this one)
ave1: diana_coman, asciilifeform, well I uploaded both with the same scp line, but did not check. So now again new version (thanks for the typo fixes diana_coman!), I just downloaded both again and verified.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i suspect that he forgot to refresh the seal , and that one's from the old ver
diana_coman: though I don't yet see how would one bring them together afterwards without requiring BOTH of them
diana_coman: as it is, it will be a .vpatch after the lookup implementation - so linear sequence rather than alternative; you might want to branch the tree instead from *before* the lookup implementation so that your div version is effectively alternative branch ☟︎☟︎
diana_coman: ave1, typos: "opation" "to determin" "here a short list" "therefor" "registor" "zero's" "implentation" "not if statements"
diana_coman: fwiw gpg also complains that it's bad signature
diana_coman: ave1, now the sig doesn't verify??
trinque: Mocky: yep, looks like I trashed it, and I see no corresponding !!unrate. restored. I will make sure there were no other dropped ratings. ☟︎
Mocky: oh, thx trinque. didn't get around to upping myself, just doing chores atm
trinque: you've still got plenty of ratings to self-voice, but if it turns out I did that, I'll fix it.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862212 << I don't see how I could have shaved off just that rating while fixing the diana_away thing, but if it turns out I did, my apologies ☝︎☟︎
trinque: (obvs I'm about to ask for a wpmp ebuild, but one step at a time)
mod6: <+asciilifeform> BingoBoingo, mod6 : i'm thinking , i prolly oughta roll the mp-wp prereqs into the standard rk image, in the short term << sounds alright to me, alf
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 13:59 billymg: it appears that php 5.6.38 is now the only 5.6 php available on the upstream portage repo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/dqRWG/?raw=true
lobbes: "castle-only" may be the way to go anyways; I'm not sure #trilema even needs the auctionbot to sit in here ☟︎
lobbes: (to begin, it will not have self-voice capability. Spyked's voicer is for the ircbot branch of the tree sadly, so I will need to add voicing to the logbot branch. However, I figure that can wait for another day) ☟︎
asciilifeform: lobbes: would be great, ty
lobbes: asciilifeform: btw, I'm planning to have auctionbot sit in #eulora, and #trilema-lobbes to start. Would you like it to also sit in #pizarro?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 14:19 BingoBoingo: billymg: What happens if you try: emerge --ask --changed-use --autounmask-keep-masks --deep @world
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862311 << btw, i explicitly disrecomment updating rk gentoo from heathen-upstream. it will lead only to tears. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 07:53 diana_coman: in fact the 3rd option that is the one actually to use is having different sizes on the two processes (i.e. different constant simply)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862284 << as i understand, you'll need 2 listeners, on separate ports, if you want'em to go to separate processes, regardless of size setting , aha ☝︎
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 08:34 deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=52 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 10/11/2018
asciilifeform: !Q later tell nicoleci http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862287 << s/pint/point ☝︎
asciilifeform: given as it seems that erry new user wants'em
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mod6 : i'm thinking , i prolly oughta roll the mp-wp prereqs into the standard rk image, in the short term
ave1: asciilifeform, I get the updated one, maybe caching problem somewhere (I did have to reload)
asciilifeform: billymg: try lobbes's thing, if it fails, then yes, will have to from src
billymg: lemme read that one and see if i missed something
asciilifeform: billymg: btw were you originally doing the http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/06/getting-php56-and-mysql-to-play-nice-on-arm64-rockchip-gentoo/ recipe ?
billymg: would the next best bet be to install from source, outside of portage?
billymg: and the only version available is the one that wants new portage
billymg: asciilifeform: thanks, will try
billymg: BingoBoingo: yeah, i spent a good bit of time trying to update @world this morning, masking packages one-by-one, and eventually gave up
asciilifeform: but in the long term, the pill will have to be cuntoo ( which has permanent trinque repo, unaffected by enemy ) ; conventional gentoo should already today be thought of as 'frozen', emerge cannot be relied to work
BingoBoingo: billymg: What happens if you try: emerge --ask --changed-use --autounmask-keep-masks --deep @world ☟︎
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: Sent 1 hour and 25 minutes ago: <lobbes> bot's back. Once auctionbot is finished I will go back and redo the !Qlater tell stuff to sit on top of logbot as well (right now, this too is sitting on an old heathen bot that doesn't auto-authenticate with NickServ after fleanode disconnect shenanigans)
ave1: diana_coman, please try again...
ave1: diana_coman, place was right, my publish pipeline failed (somehow the final copy operations did not work)
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 16:08 asciilifeform: if any part of the edifice ever shows any symptom of fully working, they re-fuck it.
billymg: relentless with their http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778861 ☝︎
billymg: and even that can't be safely emerged as it would require an update to portage http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ZYgae/?raw=true
billymg: it appears that php 5.6.38 is now the only 5.6 php available on the upstream portage repo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/dqRWG/?raw=true ☟︎
lobbes: and speaking of auctionbot: development is complete. At the moment I am getting ready to begin some prod testing and then all that's left is to write the blog post explaining the usage. Getting close! ☟︎
lobbesbot: lobbes: The operation succeeded.
lobbes: !Qlater tell asciilifeform bot's back. Once auctionbot is finished I will go back and redo the "!Qlater tell" stuff to sit on top of logbot as well (right now, this too is sitting on an old heathen bot that doesn't auto-authenticate with NickServ after fleanode disconnect shenanigans)
diana_coman: ave1, it seems I still get the old .vpatch? I took it with curl from http://ave1.org/code/eucrypt/eucrypt_crc32_div.vpatch ; is this the right place?
diana_coman: ave1, thanks for the update, I'll look at it in a minute
diana_coman: bvt, get yourself a pizarro shared account and start your blog there precisely with those pastes, what's keeping you? ☟︎
ave1: Unfortunately is does not read as a straight long division anymore. But copying of the input array is avoided and
ave1: diana_coman, I've updated the crc32 code! (still at the place)
bvt: would love to hear your comments
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=52 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 10/11/2018 ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 01:09 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1862164 << yes ; cuz all 1470s go to one process and all 1472s go to a different one. eventually as a scalability thing could even go to diff box altogether. there's not so muchrelation between the two types.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862203 -> the point as I see it is precisely that physically there actually is only ONE type anyway so any different types/sizes is in fact a higher level filtering no matter what (i.e. having 2 different processes each with its own size doesn't mean that each will actually get only the size it wants) ☝︎
diana_coman: in fact the 3rd option that is the one actually to use is having different sizes on the two processes (i.e. different constant simply) ☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 04:30 Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1862167 >> I don't see how it would necessarily be any simpler aside from one `if` statement. And there's nothing to stop listening on separate ports and getting all benefits asciilifeform mentions with different sizes
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862213 -> it's more than just one if statement (although unnecessary branches in themselves are not great anyway); basically it's the udp code itself that has to be messed up to accommodate this particular thing - either using generic or otherwise using the largest of the two and then filtering one level higher ☝︎☟︎
diana_coman: the tester does not pack them in rsa or serpent proper so it's the "package" there rather than protocol message, I guess that might be confusing, I'll update
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 05:08 asciilifeform: the physical nic ~always sends 1500!~ it also always receives 1500!!
ave1: asciilifeform, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862262, strange, it seems that ethernet does allow for variable length packages. I can see that the header / data ratio is smallest at the largest physical package size. ☝︎
jurov: Hi all thebitcoin.foundation is being switched to new server, not just the A record but whole DNS changed, there might be issues next few hours.
asciilifeform: aite, i'ma bbl then, will not belabour the point.
asciilifeform: and if i were to, say, buffer packets, queue'em, always can say exactly how much space they will occupy.
asciilifeform: Mocky: ok. so, observe, i dun record or return lengths. all length are either $full ( which i tentatively had set to 512, pre-rftming) or invalid ( may as well 0 )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-02#1857258 << earlier thrd ☝︎
asciilifeform: only fulls and frags, is all there is.
asciilifeform: there are not actually variant packets on the wire!
asciilifeform: i dun think i can say anyffing else to make this point clearer, it's imho as screamingly obvious as 2+2, if you take the time to rtfm. so i'ma leave it at this.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 20:48 asciilifeform: would get much simpler coad (i.e. my orig. fixed frame) vs the extended one with moar moving parts.
Mocky: I don't disagree. I just wasn't able to infer this stance from your stated objection >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1862166 ☝︎
asciilifeform: Mocky: read up re what yer nic actually does. then will grasp that by pretending that it does something, anything , else, you incur runaway complexity cost and impedance mismatch. always.
asciilifeform: errything else is hokum created by ip stack theatrics. and incurs complexity cost for 0 win.
asciilifeform: Mocky: there's precisely 1 packet size. in physical box. 1500. it's the railroad gauge.
Mocky: the important point being that as a matter of policy, perpetuating smaller packet sizes is a bad idea
asciilifeform: point being, they're mirages, lies linux tells the hapless user.
asciilifeform: i for instance am sitting here and tryin', not always successfully, to cure folx of delusions that linux instilled in'em, e.g. 'tcp gives cheap an' reliable pipes' ( cured mircea_popescu after , what, 3y ) and nao 'udp packets can be anyffing, not merely 1472' (not cured yet..)
a111: Logged on 2018-10-14 04:50 asciilifeform: there's no reason os's udp should even fucking accept a sub-frame packet payload. or super-framed.
Mocky: if a program wants to send 200 byte packets only, too bad, os won't allow cuz asciilifeform says your small number not godly?
asciilifeform: leave n bytes in frame empty, simply gives 'fritz chip' handy spot to stuff kleptograms in...