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Framedragger: i can ask one such folk ('camlorn on #libaudioverse - has his own 3d audio library, competent at what he does). i recall him explaining the shitshow that was getting cs degree by translating cs paper pdf (horror)
asciilifeform: i wonder what the state of the art for blind folx is.
asciilifeform: i (with handful of other folx) once built exactly such a machine, for executing winblowz virii
phf: doesn't have to contain rather. i'm sure they don't scrape it diligently enough.
asciilifeform: yeah, i suspect that it is built along the lines described earlier
mircea_popescu: ah i see alf addressed. it's an exercise in typical expertsexchange wankery, total misunderstanding of engineering etc.
Framedragger: phf: ah, but i meant the initial rendering phase - the 'archive this plz' process itself. but thanks for clarifying yeah
asciilifeform: i.e. a js-containing turdball is not self-contained
asciilifeform: i don't actually know of a sane way to do this job. which is why i have not ever attempted to do it.
Framedragger: phf: you mean, js rendering done server-side? sorry i got confused i guess
Framedragger: so, if tmsr were to have its own archiver, i don't think archive.is' approach is the way to go, even though it is (arguably, maybe) the most 'reliable' / 'true' (actual js rendering in browser). exposing user to JS defeats half its purpose. imho.
Framedragger: ah *that*; i see what you mean
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i sometimes check "archived sites" log (separate file) and it looks ~healthy (but no deep inspection).
Framedragger: hmm. i suddenly became concerned with potential failed archival requests from scriba - will check log (iirc not many failures, tho - otherwise would know.)
phf: i've been browsing the web using dillo/netserf from openbsd box and realized just how broken it become compared to even 5 years ago. only places that you can still render on old browser are the backalleys. uncle al style homepages, tmsr, *chans
asciilifeform: lately i've been seeing sites that yield a blank archive.is page.
asciilifeform: i even suspect that the closest thing to a final solution would be the extract a ~bitmap~ from simulated browser, and then embed OCR info !
Framedragger: ^ re. endpoint, oops no need for *challenge*, just a specific format for gpg-signed msg. (this is basically mpex interface, i guess.)
Framedragger: can also make irc-independent endpoint (http or w/e) which does WoT gpg challenge-response. prototype would speak a thousand words though, i suppose. :)
Framedragger: i.e., the interface of the 'is_this_request_coming_from_legit should not be too irc-specific.
Framedragger: but i guess you're saying that this particular archiver would rely on irc state (otherwise quite cumbersome to do challenge-response per every url request), which of course is quite bad.
asciilifeform: i'd like to see ~less~ reliance on ictronic quasiauthentication, not more.
Framedragger: ah. well, i can imagine a fleet of VMs (on an ok-to-be-pwned, of course) emulating browser for this.
asciilifeform: i meant machine state
asciilifeform: i can think of 1 fairly easy method for rendering (there is , iirc, a 'headless chromium' or something like) but the problem is that if you run it on bare iron, it'll be perma-owned.
Framedragger: all doable, but relatively tricky (of the icky kind, i.e., one has to try out some things, and will end up with a set of semi-hacks due to webstack being one large hack.)
Framedragger: yeah yeah, and i recall discussion about how archive.is does this (phf had some notes), etc.; it's quite icky.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637536 << worthy project i think :) ☝︎
ben_vulpes: i dunno how ecdsa break is not bullet for btc
asciilifeform: ftr i disagree, it'll fuck everyone who is sitting on bitcoin
mircea_popescu: incidentally, a couple of people asked for details and i linked them the logs, if noobs show up do me a favour and up'em.
mircea_popescu: i can't evaluate this./
asciilifeform: what i mean is, 'risk' is an item just like, e.g., negative integers
mircea_popescu: (i mean here, 1st person accounts, no wankery)
mircea_popescu: see, this is what i mean by problem : it's not even clear if this is a more-bee or less-bee characteristic!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i didn't mean problem as in "bad thing to fix" i meant problem as in "legitimate topic"
mircea_popescu: amply documented (though mostly in early 1900s work, so i guess from a certain perspective lost by now)
mircea_popescu: defeating a does not mean i'll now accept b, the whole fucking point is to extirpate the empire of stupid, not to drive in one branch by the measure driving the other out.
mircea_popescu: eg the one in fundamental physics i quoted above does include.
Framedragger: yesyes that i understand. :)
mircea_popescu: i'd like to hear the return of that.
Framedragger: maybe. :) i'm aware that most of it is ~crap, but this is more like "99.99%" vs. 99%. also, i'll make a note to check if feynman included data in any publications which dealt with data (i.e. not only pure models.)
diana_coman sees a bit of a younger Diana's shock along the lines of "it can't really be true that 99% of the world I live in is actually rotten to the core" on re-reading Framedragger's replies
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 14:32 Framedragger: that's a great stance of course, but i do believe that this disqualifies all but, i don't know, to speculate, "30" publications SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637792 << this for the record is quite false. there's a lot of research published, up until when the "our democracy" imbeciles saw themselves in the position of "running things" and they came up with the current pseudo-academic nonsense. i suppose "bologna system" +- a decade or two. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: "138kloc of cpp written by grad students? that i can't have? that only runs on golden toilet supercomputer? mmmok"
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 14:43 Framedragger: right. (i think this concludes this discussion. i'm doing some mental gymnastics which are ~pretty shitty (i'm not ready to dismiss all research prima facie which may not link to raw data, and/or may have failed to mention prior art), and i will get rid of them sooner or later, but not yet. thanks for indulging.)
mircea_popescu: i don't find it pays for me.
Framedragger: right. (i think this concludes this discussion. i'm doing some mental gymnastics which are ~pretty shitty (i'm not ready to dismiss all research prima facie which may not link to raw data, and/or may have failed to mention prior art), and i will get rid of them sooner or later, but not yet. thanks for indulging.) ☟︎
asciilifeform: if you cannot see this -- i cannot help. willful blindness.
Framedragger: last note mircea_popescu, paper in question does acknowledge the fact that as regards rsa factorisation, their attempt is a *replication* (unless i misread). but yes, should be beaten for not mentioning phuctor.
mircea_popescu: so it's not like i'm discussing "isolated incident". there's a very well established pattern of dishonest behaviour. not just at princeton, either.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i guess may as well try, hm
asciilifeform: i had nfi that this was a deep and difficult hurdle for anybody here.
mircea_popescu: and since we're discussion princeton : i wasn't going to say anything (which is why i didn't back then), but when some guy found metallic H ( see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-17#1628809 ) princeton idiots came with a replicating experiment and have been trying to replace the original author with themselves ever since. which is just about as shameful. ☝︎
asciilifeform: Framedragger: unless you are in academia racket yourself, and get paid to participate in the idiot kakubi where 'i'll pretend your crapola has relation to reality, you -- pretend that mine does' -- you can safely ignore such 'research', yes
asciilifeform: or suppose asciilifeform threw his priv p,q to the crowd at his hanging. then henninger goes to another town , where they have nfi, and 'hey folx!! i broke this evildoer's rsa key!!! with new! algo'
Framedragger: to remark in jest, this makes my own work more easier because i can dismiss any cs papers relevant to $work if they deal with data but do not also publish data. "not science, boss!1"
mircea_popescu: Framedragger what stretch ? i did an "early publication" of my research! was worth jack shit to you!
Framedragger: well the latter, of course, but how you can stretch this example i'm not sure...
mircea_popescu: besides, you operate on the same exact paradigm, except when you deliberately turn off your brain and any sense of decency to participate with the empire of idiots. witness : if i now say "hey guise, i found way to crack asciilifeform 's key, will publish tomorow"
Framedragger: it's just too extreme, i believe, and *impractical* (i wonder, did feynman publish raw data?)
Framedragger: i take issue with disqualifying *everything* which does not also publish raw data, though.
Framedragger: i don't disagree there, of course.
Framedragger: look, i agree with this attitude; the ssh banners, etc etc are and will remain publicly available. these are *important* standards to have.
Framedragger: that's a great stance of course, but i do believe that this disqualifies all but, i don't know, to speculate, "30" publications SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME ☟︎
mircea_popescu: what, "i invented cold fusion in 1985" ?
mircea_popescu: where's the pre-phuctor phuctor ? can i has links ? something ?
mircea_popescu: you can claim all you want, but what's it to do with anything. for all you know i'm drunk. what's that change.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: not emotional; in fact i will go further and claim that *your* evaluation stems from a bit of butthurt (which is human, of course.)
Framedragger: diana_coman: i don't believe that phuctor is *that* important, yes.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger so it doesn't fail it in your book. what of it. i brought a whore to my grandma's dinner once, it didn't disqualify her in my book. that's what books are for.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i am quite content with their bibliography section. they did not include phuctor (but included the other studies before and after phuctor), and that is a failure on their part. they can be informed and will even perhaps address this point. that does not fail *the whole paper* in my books, however.
asciilifeform: thing very quickly degenerates into gaggle of charlatans each of whom goes to look for who will believe him that 'i! i! invented the integral calculus!!!'
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i see what you mean. do you think this "it then necessarily follows" is truly "necessarily"? what do others think? i do see what you mean, tho.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i don't see how this is enabling. by that metric, *everything* is enabling. someone used phuctor to hack into box, phuctor enabled them?
diana_coman: first and foremost I take issue with pretending that an unaknowledged repackaging of other people's work mostly pretends to be research
Framedragger: yeah i understand.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I suppose that's pretty much the thing here: by now this is the "best" one can see from that area
Framedragger: i mean, a large part of the paper is exposition. rsa, dht (relevant to how onion services work), etc.; so, it's not *interesting*. but it's not in any particular way shitty. i wouldn't have read it otherwise and certainly do not see it as very valuable.
mircea_popescu: which is the best possible construction i can put on Framedragger 's notions. "hey, this is what college MEANS NOW. sorry."
mircea_popescu: now, i can see the merit in an argument along the lines of "what the fuck do you want mp, research ? how the fuck is that going to happen if you insist on sticking all the cowpokes indoors ? they'll do what they can, nod along with the rest of the "academia".
mircea_popescu: what a difference a decade makes to academic standards i swear.
Framedragger: diana_coman: i haven't read the method section yet but so far so good.
Framedragger: wasn't a rhetorical question. but i certainly do not wish to waste tmsr's cpu cycles, so no need to answer, either
mircea_popescu: Framedragger no you didn't see it because i had a discussion over coffee before taking the pics with a girl, so this matters now.
mircea_popescu: also, i invented blackface last week. want to see the first best greatest blackface performance in history of world ?
mircea_popescu: look, there's people with all sorts of strange beliefs. i'm not in the business of forcing ideological compatibility. you can live with it, more power to you.
Framedragger: (i certainly do not have any intention to troll.)
Framedragger: there is no cognitive dissonance in my mind. i know those peeps personally and also simultaneously do not observe any plagiarism. they used things from those 2012 and 2016 projects.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger you've not any standing to ask, so i guess you mayn't ask.
mircea_popescu: you mean, on the public record ? so next time starry-eyed Framedragger walks in and is all "oh, princeton, respectable institution" i link him above3 and he has to somehow deal with the cognitive dissonance ?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: what original thing did they take from phuctor, may i ask? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'll include the why in a formal proceeding. let them FIRST clean up their act
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd include the 'why'
asciilifeform: i in fact did 'write to their ml', review what came of it.
Framedragger: if they ignore then - i'll donate to bitcoin foundation a bit for generating noise.
Framedragger: well, why don't i (unless someone else already planned to do it first?) write to those folks on that ML, informing of phuctor, to see their response? maybe futile at this point and useless, but at least a more constructive reaction.
asciilifeform: and various media folx ( the risky.biz people, i wrote to several times also , for instance. 0 reply. )
Framedragger: the fact that djb knows and ignores does indeed speak ill of him, i agree.