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assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 22:45:57; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes well i have nobody with an axe to ship there rightnao

mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/wpb4YsvWL2bhteoknr0erUnj_500.jpg

mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/LyJX520Sx2ctqo1b0Xxx6cCT_500.jpg << native tsa.

asciilifeform: http://www.military-today.com/helicopters/bellboeing_v_22_osprey.jpg << turning

asciilifeform: http://www.aviastar.org/foto/bvertol_osprey_1.jpg << it

assbot: Logged on 30-08-2015 00:42:33; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu well nothing could be worse than osprey

assbot: Logged on 30-08-2015 00:40:20; pete_dushenski: sikorsky sea king helicopter for gw ? sounds ruskie (yes, i know it isn't)

pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu well nothing could be worse than osprey ☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rv2eg33gaji6PkUvx_400.jpg << back when the libertards cared. because bush!

mircea_popescu: and now in our "the greatness of the atomic family" series, http://41.media.tumblr.com/qoXAtsJnN2fu8lmtQYQqvbcw_1280.jpg

assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 22:45:08; mircea_popescu: the nsa approach to software issues is not "how can we fix this" but "how can we pretend this is fixed while really we can just keep it in sleeve for later because you never know". fnargl through and through.

assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 23:52:36; mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/iPoqOK3xQ2fea7vjSEbbAOTc_500.jpg

pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu well, a blog post ~on your own blog~ is pretty much as good as it gets atm

mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/iPoqOK3xQ2fea7vjSEbbAOTc_500.jpg ☟︎

pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu presentation ?

assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 23:38:33; mircea_popescu: achievements start with the first one.

trinque: gabriel_laddel: in porn, do not fear the penis

mircea_popescu: and in other news, boxes! http://40.media.tumblr.com/qoXAtsJnN2hul9b89WgiGz3Z_1280.jpg

gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: more specifically, I'd love to hear more about the justice system some time

mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> pretty stupid. <<

mircea_popescu: in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/qoXAtsJnN2l55tijZV77jJrO_1280.jpg

gabriel_laddel: !down shovel_boss

gabriel_laddel: !up shovel_boss

gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: how is Ar?

gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I work a lot but have a new crush. 5/10?

mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel o hey there. how's life in

assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 18:28:39; mircea_popescu: greatness doens't get to skip a generation./

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is paying somebody a pretty penny for that thing. and i am coming to think that he is getting scammed.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: even if you were speaking of the kind of kvm which has a power relay, it remains to be asked WHAT KIND OF TARD would flip the relay on a customer's box without written permission

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i strongly suspect that if it were somehow the case that trilema goes down for weeks-to-a-month every time it loses power, it would also lose power with some regularity...

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps you understand now why the alarm. there is NO LEGIT REASON for that thing to ever cycle.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nothing suggestive of thermal overload in the logs, either

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: still need the root login to CLEANLY reboot the machine

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not kvm either!!!

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: node often fails to process incoming messages in a timely manner, at heavy load, and possibly ends up shitlisted

assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 21:44:26; mircea_popescu: but in no small part (to answer punkman's q) this experiment is interesting to me specifically to see how well things do in cramped spaces.

assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 21:45:00; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also im pretty sure power didn't actually fail. derpy kids doing things to fix things etc.

trinque: !up gabriel_laddel

trinque: !up Pierre_Rochard

mircea_popescu: in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/Z6OcuYW4b2iz2k4ombFqz30P_1280.jpg

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: strictly cpu cycles? the answer depends on whether anyone is querying the db

assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 02:48:54; mircea_popescu: dulap may be the latest piece of software in actual use that doesn't actually benefit from periodic rebooting

assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 02:47:55; mircea_popescu: i think the latter kids don't really grok this "don't reboot machine " thing

asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu had not donated the cpu cycles, the thing would still be sitting on aws and being essentially useless

asciilifeform: for no especially good reason other than that i felt like it, and mircea_popescu saw it fit to supply a machine (via subcontractor) out of his own (for now) pocket

asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu dulap is a quad-core machine. current 'werker' (phuctor) uses strictly a single core, at the maximum. but what is happening appears to be bus cycle starvation (shared cores share a cache; and at any rate all processes share a single ram bus)

assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 19:48:13; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu potentially interesting observation: dulap has been ~50 blocks behind semi-permanently since reboot. in as far as i can tell, it is not mainly from 'blackholing' but due to cpu starvation! on account of phuctor re-grinding the product...!

assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 02:22:08; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al: dulap rebooted today for no reason known to me.

assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 21:09:21; mod6: this should do the trick: `LC_ALL=C ./bitcoind -myip=127.0.0.1 -addnode=195.211.154.159 &`

assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 20:43:25; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can you measure exactly how much it is impacted ?

punkman: anyone try the final debug_sanity_part1 patch?

mod6: this should do the trick: `LC_ALL=C ./bitcoind -myip=127.0.0.1 -addnode=195.211.154.159 &` ☟︎

trinque: with the LC_ALL=C

mod6: chettty & mircea_popescu: btw, eulora seems to be functioning well since changes. although, i don't use any automation in there. just good ole hard rock minin' by hand. with a mule^H^H^H^Himproved pickaxe.

assbot: Logged on 26-05-2015 17:45:33; ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Miscellany:Confession_to_the_F%C3%BChrer << schrödinger's shameful letter. english.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the correct setting for the gedankenexperiment is 'serve usg or take the cyanide'

asciilifeform: for instance, iirc mircea_popescu was also pretty handy at mathematics as a young man. but notice that we do not come here to learn mathematics from him.

asciilifeform: phf: mircea_popescu seems to suggest that if korolev, etc. were real men, they would have killed themselves instead of serving the hated master.

phf: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: take me to this planet of 'healthy relationships.' << i am equally confused by this position. non serviam doesn't necessarily need to translate to its extreme expression. if you're that figured out how to push the lever, i think the last option that you can possibly have is to keep pushing the lever for others. once you accept it to its logical conclusion, are you not free to do as you please?

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: actually don't be so sure. it is almost certainly possible to shorten it.

assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 20:04:49; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: vdiff is 0k!

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255945 << lol, how big did ben_vulpes think it to be ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: take me to this planet of 'healthy relationships.'

assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 00:18:24; asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.'

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255852 << i will let mircea_popescu explain himself, by himself, but iirc this thread began long ago with the mention of an infamous paper, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/codemonkey.pdf (mirror) ☝︎

asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu potentially interesting observation: dulap has been ~50 blocks behind semi-permanently since reboot. in as far as i can tell, it is not mainly from 'blackholing' but due to cpu starvation! on account of phuctor re-grinding the product...! ☟︎

asciilifeform: phf: mircea_popescu has a marked tendency to go with lenin's 'intelligentsia is not the nation's head but its arsehole'

assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 14:17:13; mircea_popescu: and yes, the "scam money rots your brain" think is also a very powerful theory.

danielpbarron: asciilifeform> perhaps ben_vulpes can become the hero who makes that unicorn, a software worth paying for.. << Eulora bots.

assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 06:54:23; mircea_popescu: mkay. lemme explain something about markets to you. the sun is infinitely valuable, to the exclusion of all else. nobody (tm) would consider paying for it, and in no case would they pay anything close to fair value (why this is so should be thermodynamically obvious). meanwhile, ipads have no utility and go for hundreds by the million. on top of them, jackpot machine simulations sell for more $$$.

assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 06:54:48; mircea_popescu: the idea here being that people wouldn't pay for a sane os for the same reason they won't payfor the sun.

asciilifeform: perhaps ben_vulpes can become the hero who makes that unicorn, a software worth paying for..

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this is asking for mountains of 'mother may i' spamola

asciilifeform: but it would be an interesting ceremonial flag, in the spirit of mircea_popescu's license thing.

asciilifeform: btw, speaking of software licenses, anyone recall mircea_popescu's anarchist license ?

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i also can't help but laugh a bit at the phrase 'modern nixy proggies' - we're sorta stuck in 1968 state of the art...

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: afaik no one was ever dumb enough to demand this.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'this is the source, no you may not show it to folks who have not bought'

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: they were ordinary for the time

asciilifeform: trinque: btw it was not clear to the folks who ran the camps, that this naturally-occurring system of hierarchy was a net plus re: net tonnage from the mines. hence the 'vory/suka wars' mircea_popescu referenced, a famous case where su authorities tried to monkey with the 'org chart' ☟︎

gernika: mircea_popescu can I snag a eulora account?

asciilifeform: if, as mircea_popescu appears to suggest, chingis khan is the 'luxury model' of human, and everybody else is 'man lite version', why does the khan have to enslave engineers ?

asciilifeform: i mean, i get it, mircea_popescu is with limonov in respecting the anonymous but honorable 'blatnoi' scum over korolev, who created modern rocketry while - yes - a slave

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and, preferably, something that doesn't make me think of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-08-2015#1243116 ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nonsense ? be so kind as to demonstrate gedankenexperiment ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: caveat: do you recall the experiment with the beaten chimpanzee ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: appreciate, there was no way to make lispmachine cheap in 1978

assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 17:33:16; ben_vulpes: when i go full scammatronics vc bezzle the office campus will be navigated with 'solowheel' 'orbits'

assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 04:00:28; phf: http://cs.pikabu.ru/images/big_size_comm/2014-01_6/13908191208532.jpg

phf: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255201 << is that soft pr0n on his monitor ? << yes, i didn't actually notice until i posted, probably a 2ch gag ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 09-04-2015 21:17:14; ascii_field: wolfram is sui generis. owns a tame publisher, for instance

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=comp.lang.lisp/BUxXH76CYdc/IunywkAxufMJ

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42&cpage=1#comment-2746

trinque: ben_vulpes: thing's probably like... clim and clos at this point

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: y'know, you don't have to make the 'people' write programs. could send them to, e.g., make you coffee, while you write commonlisp

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'macros' (in the lisp-family sense, because they DEMAND homoiconic language, and there are no others) exist to shoot 'design patterns' in the head

assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 17:44:04; ben_vulpes: regarding graham, the focus on macros in his (published) work puts me off a bit. "look at the monstrous edifice of complexity i can hold within my mind!" instead of "look at this useful and easily fit-into-head thing i made".

assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 17:26:00; mircea_popescu: in point of fact, if the writing part's the big problem, one's clearly not thinking enough.

assbot: Logged on 07-02-2015 02:20:39; the_scourge: 'Emacs actually comes with a builting Emacs Aptitude Test. Do you remap your keyboard or the Emacs keybindings before the chords and sequences it comes with by default have wreaked havoc with your hands? If you do not do anything to make Emacs more convenient for yourself, you may not have the prerequisite aptitude to use it productive.' (naggum, who else. http://www.xach.com/na < funny, that's one of t