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asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-21#1864592 << this is a mighty lul, i had genuinely nfi that this had happened ☝︎
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BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell bvt http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/djVz4/?raw=true
a111: Logged on 2018-10-20 18:32 Mocky: diana_coman, that could be a reasonable assumption and i suggested the same to my companions, they shook thier heads.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864468 << you're very much not there to sell anything ; you realise this, do you ? ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-20 18:28 asciilifeform: Mocky: is the implication also that they dun bother to look into totalcostofownership before buying ? hence the legends of bedouin sheiks buying a merc and leaving it in desert when fuel tank empty ..?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864463 << universal orc problem. in the space of one half hour saw three (out of five total) cars breaking down. WHY MAINTAIN ANYTHIUNG!!!! WHATY YOU CAN T SEE DOES NOT EXIST!!! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-20 18:27 Mocky: because insurance was to expensive for the given coverage, but because "paying money to get nothing".
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864461 << this sounds like a recipe for certain failure... ☝︎
billymg: mircea_popescu: acknowledged, can definitely stay within those bounds
mircea_popescu: because html5 was done by morons (ie, "community" in pantsuit style) and it couldn't be later or more useless (cue here, how opengl managed to LOSE its having defeated directx, a decade later)
a111: Logged on 2018-10-20 18:10 asciilifeform: lol afaik even the heathens have largely forgotten flashism
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864445 << not so, was briefly dead but then adobe released a new set after 5+ years silence and it's catching back up. ☝︎☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-20 18:04 billymg: is there perhaps a list of "definitely don't use [feature], will never load for republicans"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864427 << nothing imported from google servers will ever work for me, for instance. so keep everything local. don't add more javascript. keep markup to the absolute minimum. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-20 18:01 billymg: curious what type of browser environments the lords use -- when writing a theme for mp-wp will need to know what kind of font, css, js support to expect
a111: Logged on 2018-10-20 15:15 phf: you made it to a hookah bar then?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864395 << lmao this guy. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Boot heel has touched dogshit. Hay muchos perros acá
BingoBoingo: And Gloria, the Peruana frowns upon breaking up the pills with oily pliers to make my own oral solution.
BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> BingoBoingo, don't they sell just pills to swallow? << They do sell them, but at the moment with their size... they don't go down without fighting the surrounding environment
mircea_popescu will get to the logs nao.
mircea_popescu: haha moving up in teh world ?
Mocky: so far so good. gotta see how well I fit in at these 5 star hotels ☟︎
mircea_popescu: how's tricks
Mocky: yup, but seems like central air in homes is pretty rare. wallmounted units are the thing, with compressors on the roof. ☟︎
diana_coman: but AC there is rather basic requirement, isn't it
Mocky: yeah, but not a big deal for me. I wouldn't want to be a landlord here tho
diana_coman: sounds like a mess though
Mocky: no, i'm subletting a room via airbnb from a nigerian who rents it from someone who also sounds african on speakerphone. and thankfully unseasonably cool with now 2 years worth of rain in the last 2 days ☟︎
diana_coman: see, that might be why "no intangibles" - because everyone selling intangibles there actually sells "bs to talk you into buying new"
Mocky: so, working on day 3 of no AC. Everyone I mention it to here laughs at me and says that no repair men here actually know how to fix anything, only to install new. AC, cars, computers, machinery. They just spend hours spinning bs to talk you into buying new.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, don't they sell just pills to swallow?
BingoBoingo: Still alive. Switched from crushing antibiotics to make a suspension to just returning to the pharmacy and buying appropriate amount of bubble gum flavored suspension for niños over the loud protests of elderly lady disenfranchised by the act.
Mocky: I'm still not used to friday and saturday being the weekend & so many places being closed between 1pm and 4pm every day
Mocky: word was that they may be angry if they feel forced to pay for an intangible, but that will fade and you don't lose respect. but get caught in a lie and they are done with you
Mocky: another thing was that Qatari business men highly value honesty since many foreign partners actually do try to rip them off and are deceptive.
Mocky: if you are a white woman or a doctor, cops very accommodating toward you, let you off tickets
Mocky: also huge fine if you stop past the "stop line". If you go over camera starts recording, tiny light flashes. if you reverse back to proper spot and wave your hand out the window showing submission at the camera, you don't get a ticket!
Mocky: I found out why cars are so nice toward pedestrians in the crosswalks. if you run a red, 3000 USD fine. cameras at most intersections
Mocky: theres also a "blockchain doha" group with 103 members, I can reach out to ☟︎
Mocky: i also reached out to local bitcoin guy. turns out there are two. one sells other buys. I reached out the the seller but no response yet. The buyer doesn't have contact info listed and i don't have the bitcoin to answer his ad so haven't contacted yet. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Well, I mean they could also be stuck on 80's US bzbs books
Mocky: but so many nods around the table, makes me suspect flaws widely present, to some degree
Mocky: it could also be that the above descriptions have selection bias of young Qatari biznis noobs, or peripheral wot members
Mocky: remember, it's indians coming up with those ideas so options dun enter into it
BingoBoingo: That's not an export, that's an educational charity
BingoBoingo: <Mocky> i get the impression from other talks (not today) that there is no end of "i have great biz idea for importing from my home country india" being pitched << WTF does India export that people with options would buy?
Mocky: a chick unrelated to todays info breakfast also suggested the coffee bar in La Cigal Hotel
Mocky: but that was suggested as not a good place to start
Mocky: men from a couple of the most powerful families hang out at a Costa coffee chain in the shittiest mall in the city
Mocky: the regular spots are mostly 5 star hotels on the water. St. Regis, The Four Seasons, The Pearl Qatar & Medina Centrale. Also there's some pickup beach volleyball at katara beach on fridays once the day cools off ☟︎
Mocky: the vet doc has been invited 12 times. he said in the beginning he prepared things to say, ways to pitch business. but they never wanted to talk business with him, just playstation
Mocky: this is only done by qataris established enough to have own household
Mocky: normally is informal "playstation" time, but occasionally, perhaps once a week, it's more formal and they talk business
Mocky: re meeting Qataris, I found that 30-something aged men interested in business hang out at certain places on a daily basis. if you go and hang there and get to know them, if they like you they may invite you to majalis. which is the regular practice of closing off half of the home from women in the evening and doing man cave shit ☟︎
Mocky: bitcoin is also illegal for banks to exchange in. which apparently some wanted to do but now central bank authority has banned ☟︎
Mocky: if there is more beyond that, i haven't dug deep enough to find it
asciilifeform: how do they even do lending ? fully collateralized loans only ?
asciilifeform: ( i dun recall whether mircea_popescu revealed whether this is troo in egypt, also, come to think of it )
asciilifeform: Mocky: aand do they still stick to the koranic prohibition against lending-at-interest ? (is that why they spend on 'bling' and oddball 'charity' ..? )
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform worked for some yrs for a fella who regularly traveled to dubai, and never failed to mention the 'gold bar ATMs' )
Mocky: asciilifeform, this I haven't heard, but flashy stuff like rolex, lambos, bentleys I have heard ☟︎
Mocky: i get the impression from other talks (not today) that there is no end of "i have great biz idea for importing from my home country india" being pitched ☟︎
mats: pretense of doing business without having to do it
asciilifeform: good q -- what's their notion of charity, anyway
diana_coman: Mocky, I wonder though how much those burnt partners actually catered to the qatari partner as an ongoing relationship rather than just "he gives money for my biznis" (and how the hell is a charity a business, ugh) ☟︎
Mocky: got a years worth of rain here today
Mocky: files swim to safety?
Mocky: And sticking a Qatari with ongoing expenditures was never on my radar, def seems like something to explicitly avoid.
Mocky: Being as the requirement for standard LLC is 51% Qatari ownership, this new info suggests to me that having two locals who split the 51% may be the way to go. They can still close it down but not at the whim of a single person. ☟︎
Mocky: to much time seeing fat cats in US
Mocky: the cats tho! so skinny and downs syndrome looking
asciilifeform: hm so not like turks, then..
Mocky: but ~all cats i've seen are stones throw from open dumpster. i bet if they had auto-closing lids on dumpsters cats would go extinct
Mocky: no dogs but word this morning was that expat western women keep them here like surrogate children just as elsewhere, and there are enough to make a good business
Mocky: maybe they want to claim "i started a charity like my older brother" no idea yet why
Mocky: and don't want to have to put sweat into it either
Mocky: Word is that they want to make a profit, but don't want to have to put money into it. and they want the profit now. but don't think it thru, maybe can be convinced easily
diana_coman: because somehow it does read like "oh, they have money, let's bleed them"
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ikr? it's the last thing i'd think of pitching to dar-al-islam ☟︎
diana_coman: so why are those people starting doggy rescue/care biznis in qatar of all places? ☟︎
Mocky: One Qatari owns a chain of 9 fittness supplement stores. 3 of the stores were found to have someone pocketing the cash from transactions. Owner fired everyone in all 9 stores because "see, everyone tries to steal from us". Also he had his driver who can barely count to 10 doing store inventory for him.
Mocky: like both don't think and won't listen
Mocky: came across like simpleton management, decree whatever occurs to you, dilbert-esque pointy haired manager on steroids ☟︎
diana_coman: so "impulsiveness" would be "don't think it through"? or "won't listen/care about more than 2 steps ahead"?
Mocky: and this wasn't like just one school. was city wide "make every teacher do x" after 900 parent complaints "stop doing x"
Mocky: Also re impulsiveness: one school adminsitrator said they have a rule of 3 for instructions comeing down from Qatari management. Let them ask three times including an official goverment memo before you do anything they say. Because as soon as they start to see the fall out of random impulsive decisions they will reverse it and have you undo all your work.
asciilifeform: thus far sounds like typical savages, with both plus and minus, won't buy 'how to dig well' but will buy musket.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: hmm, from my reading seems that they won't pay anybody for 'which screw' , gotta also supply a physical talisman they can hang on wall
diana_coman: but they won't pay rando "expert" that, no
Mocky: isn't necessarily bad, but bad that they waited till 3 months in to even think about it. In the case of the shelter, it was a charity, never meant to make a profit. but still "dun wanna pay anymore"
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I don't think so; I think they would pay *you* that 500k if you manage to convince them that you are worth that for them ☟︎
Mocky: also seems to go hand in hand with their impulsiveness. 3 different people described this exact scenario. Qatari goes opens a business with someone (one freelance vet service, one animal rescue shelter, one doggy day care) 3 months later decides, "I didn't realize I was going to have to keep paying so much every month (payroll, rent, etc.) where's the profit?" "it may take a year to become profitable, it's only been 3 months" "I'm not paying anymore." which
diana_coman: honestly, by this description I start even liking them
asciilifeform: possibly will be a tough audience for the traditional type of consulting, where you '$ 1 : turned screw $499,999 -- knowing which screw'
diana_coman: Mocky, maybe it's worth writing it all up in a blog post? it seems to me you have quite a lot to say and it's easier to have a reference point afterwards
Mocky: a stable of horses, no matter how much it saves them in the long run.
Mocky: This goes hand in hand with their feeling that everyone comes to Qatar to take their money and rip them off. So all these fancy insurance / maintenance contracts "feel" like they give nothing to the buyer, plus they were dreamed up by foreigners who come to rip them off and decieve them. They detest such things. Easier to sell them a spoon they can old in their hand today for a million dollars than get them to agree to a monthly payout to a vet for care of
Mocky: diana_coman, that could be a reasonable assumption and i suggested the same to my companions, they shook thier heads. ☟︎