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shinohai: http://archive.is/I1CqK <<< Barry Shillbert: Buy mah shitcoin picks of the month so I can make use of all that Bitcoin ya'll don't need.
davout: i'm off to .za ttyal later
davout: i'll... ask around!
a111: Logged on 2017-04-21 20:44 mircea_popescu: davout i don't get it, what'd you ask around for ? people in the wot who you know but we somehow don't ?
mircea_popescu: if i write "roses are red" and some douche goes "by roses he means milk, amirite ?" the failure of the douche's companions to knock him one upside the head does not translate in my having left any kind of hole in my text ; nor does it enact changing it to "roses are red and by roses we do not mean milk" into being reasonable. it's not fucking reasonable, the douche will just go "oh, by red he meant square"
mircea_popescu: i'm sure "the commerce clause" gives random swampocrat full authority to legislate squirrel rights.
BingoBoingo: And no, I dun believe the news fatbook picture
trinque: firearm discharge depends on acreage iirc, but I don't think anybody would arrest you for killing a fucking squirrel around here.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: just when i thought that usgdom couldn't possibly surprise with nonsense
a111: Logged on 2017-04-21 23:24 asciilifeform: phun phakt: the folx i hired originally to do the pest control, not only insist on 'humane' trap, but lock them for weekend! i asked 'why?' answer 'it's the law'
asciilifeform: phun phakt: the folx i hired originally to do the pest control, not only insist on 'humane' trap, but lock them for weekend! i asked 'why?' answer 'it's the law' ☟︎
BingoBoingo: I have not. Prefer generic cage trap. Build a salad in there until you tempt critter.
mircea_popescu: !!down Joshua-I
Joshua-I: I'm interested in simulating this problem
shinohai: !!gettrust Joshua-I
Joshua-I: I read you want hosting. Seems like a straightforward thing. What do you need?
deedbot: Joshua-I voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !!up Joshua-I
mircea_popescu: trinque shinohai meanwhiule deleted. thanks to scriba's archiving service i could read it.
mircea_popescu: davout i don't get it, what'd you ask around for ? people in the wot who you know but we somehow don't ? ☟︎
shinohai: Oh they are a gold mine, this one happened to be provided courtesy of a girl I did stream setup for xD
trinque: I see that I'm not the only one who reads CL personals for teh lulz
davout: i'll be traveling for the two next weeks, but i'll ask around when coming back.
mircea_popescu: also, emily blunt is a fucking gorgon, what are all these people smoking. i'd rather watch barbara streisand gargle.
shinohai: asciilifeform: no I am entrenched in the Southern part of Reich unfortunately, would have to relocate to more friendly (and preferably Spanish-speaking) climes.
asciilifeform: i thought he was a fr subject
Framedragger: (i mentioned 2x4 (russian hosting provider) above because they are known for not giving a fuck about dmca or other usg laws, and responding with "your mother" (sic) to requests to take down a hosted site which is running a botnet C&C)
mircea_popescu: the only substitute i would consider from the fiat world would be a bulletproof variant, because i will literally not deal with peons who do not at least declaratively claim to not follow usg law.
mircea_popescu: i am discussing a republican isp.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and why am i patying non wot folks ?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger no, re-re-read the line i said read insistently. you do get some boxes for vps ing out of. either because cheap or because obsolete etc.
mircea_popescu: because this is exactly what i wanted to do three hours ago and couldn't.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nope. a solved instance of this problem would be me going "hey x, i want a new server for eulora, what do you got that's good and where do i send the fuckgoats" which returns within a day or two with options and quotes which i pay which results in the server being live sometime next week.
Framedragger: ack re. flow/direction of law. but re. 'no ajax', i imagine the primary service offering being an unmanaged dedicated box, in which case i'd find it reasonable to require of the isp not to peek at insides (unless external behaviour is ~spam, etc.)
shinohai: I would imagine those needing tmsr services could set up own cdn, no?
Framedragger: true. for some stupid reason i had it in my mind that mircea_popescu would vehemently oppose any such arbitrary restrictions. but this was based on some inane interpretation of some misread trilema text, probably
mircea_popescu: i dun wanna do biz with the child fuckers.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i have nfi, but i know for a fact there's nothing in tmsr or in nature that says "person must provide impossible object in regular course of business".
davout: i'll ask around if people in my local meatwot have some experience with local DCs, don't think they'd bite
Framedragger: i'm not sure where the 'isp should not care about content' line should be in the context of tmsr.
davout: well, i'm following the conversation
asciilifeform: the 'whack-a-mole' is a part of live for folx using 'spam hosting'. and i entirely believe that mircea_popescu knows one that has been in uninterrupted business since '07. but how long do you suppose it would live if you linked to it by name here ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, dunno how far i'd trust these.
asciilifeform: decade or so ago i looked into this, and found that their www box lived in.. usa!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/N4KYf << china! as you said. though i have nfi how much of the linked info is true
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wasn't it in china ? i thought.
mircea_popescu: notrly, actually. /me recently ran into one i recall from 2007. continous decade in bizniss!
mircea_popescu: about half of all the ones i personally know (ie, middle class tech kids) ended up there this way.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's argument is not that mircea_popescu's idea is physically impossible, but that it is absent because it is -- afaik -- heavily -ev. and not because 'world is stupid'. take, say, the moving of cocaine. it involves every bit the same types of risks, but cocaine is readily available worldwide. i suspect : partly because it is a standalone physical object -- unlike net connectivity.
mircea_popescu: trinque i seriously wouldn't expect this sort of problem. who the fuck is going to be doing that, i wish to know.
Framedragger: (this will sound cheesy but i do feel like i'm coming to this with a fiat'ish mind, by which i mean, underestimating the power of the wot. 'you trust this wot person to make good, no fine print, the end.')
Framedragger: i do not mean 'restrictions on content' or any other inane shit. i mean response time and so on.
mircea_popescu: i've nfi.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: customer doesn't have a raid == 'well what did they expect' i guess - granted, that actually makes sense. just need to be extra clear in T&Cs...
Framedragger: i mean, disk failure.
mircea_popescu: i am coming on. what.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i fell like we should all get drunk by this point, but: in this scenario, you're saying that dc would handle all hardware faults?
mircea_popescu: am i talking to myself here ?
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i suppose so
asciilifeform: Framedragger: possibly i misunderstood, and idea is to be strictly a ~broker~, no handling of iron involved
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it ~may lead there~. which from what i gather some people want for themselves, or something.
mircea_popescu: and i can keep cycling through them till kingdom come, it's like trying to buy heroin in chicago.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's concept would work, but it has 1 serious cost -- it is a 'phd assembly line', in that it -- as i understand -- more or less requires ~being a copy of mircea_popescu~ -- a 'jet-setting' d00d, travelling to orclands, negotiating with local mafias, packing up boxes onto chartered boeings in the night, etc
jhvh1: Framedragger: I have not seen vc.
trinque: asciilifeform knows this, but his only solution for diddlement is to be able to fire the thing onto a clean box quickly, and I understand the challenges there re: state.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite truly. which is why i balked, ' mircea_popescu surely made typo '
mircea_popescu: myeah. the idea was "to rent it by the month". foxtail i guess.
Framedragger: '15k to rent for a month' is an insane way of wording. nevertheless, i learned my lesson
mircea_popescu: well what the fucxk am i going to do with it for a month, takes longer to install it. that's like giving yo ua one month employment, i recall you're on the record explainin the downside.
asciilifeform: i saw '15k to rent for a month' -- parsed like-so.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-21 17:31 Framedragger: i'll go ahead and say (amid your laughs): OVH. it's an isp alright:
mircea_popescu: i was speaking of yearly costs throughout what the fuck.
Framedragger: ah fuck that was annual, he duped us!! (i'm sorry.)
mircea_popescu: and in general don't get into fucking arguments with me about my numbers being off when i buy these weekly and you do yearly if at all.
Framedragger: i'm checking that particular link as we speak
Framedragger: i've rented a few?
Framedragger: (i of course see the point (by way of tmsr history as well) of being able to choose particular customers carefully, that is true of course)
mircea_popescu: out of the money i wasted since 2015 they could have burned 10 and i wouldn't have actually noticed the difference.
Framedragger: digging mahself into another hole, i see
Framedragger: i'd need to check but i do believe they do. but sure, it may as well lease them.
mircea_popescu: last i checked ovh did not own the dcs. ☟︎
Framedragger: i'll go ahead and say (amid your laughs): OVH. it's an isp alright: ☟︎
Framedragger: that's true, and i see why you're bewildered. it's just that under the description above, i only see a wot-member being an interface point with a normal-isp. i suppose you would say that 'yes and this is fine' (it's about having someone who is in wot be responsible)?
mircea_popescu: i never heard of anyone with a guaranteed market this size being "oh... but the bugaboo and the tsetse fly".
mircea_popescu: Framedragger how am i keeping you from registering for as ?
Framedragger: i'm not sure if it's accurate to call self 'isp' if you're just reselling rented servers.
mircea_popescu: for the past two years, since i last brought this up, guess what ? i've been paying non-wot people. because i gotta keep servers up yes.
mircea_popescu: i am currently spending TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. each year. on this service.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck should i buy it from anyone outside of wot ?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger nevermind that! i want to get a new eulora server, for instance.
mircea_popescu: i do not wish to pay random idiots, i wish to pay people in the republic.
Framedragger: so what, the idea is to jump around DCs (i assumed low bar for calling self isp is at least getting an AS number, btw) while they're kicking you, and only do rental contracts short enough so that not too much cash gets burned.
Framedragger: gossipd over radio, i'm very cereal.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i've heard you before and i hear you now. i just don't have much hope for extant internet. unreliable-low-bandwidth shortwave relay net almost seems like a longer term strategy here, no?
asciilifeform: 'i'ma fall on this grenade' doesn't grow naturally, no.
mircea_popescu: i am well satisfied there is not going to be naturally occuring sanity, has to be generated in #trilema or not be had.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: yeah so i hear, and even have coupla bookmarks from recommendations should the opportunity require, heh. anyway good to know
mircea_popescu: i want something like a dual or quad e-2650 say, with a coupla fuckgoats physically installed. i can't say "do this" in #trilema, in 2017.
Framedragger: i agree that it'd be a good contribution, 'while it lasts'. maybe i'm too pessimistic, but i can't see how the 'refuses usg requests' lasts for any time after 'first request received'.
Framedragger: there are those isps in .ru which show the finger to usg, but (1) as was said here multiple times before, there is no 'bulletproof hosting'; and (2) i'd like to see what happens when someone starts serving content against .ru interests.