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trinque: nubbins`: pls don't trigger me
nubbins`: typedef paste u_paste32_t;
trinque: in my /usr/include I see for example this "nettle" thing doing typedef u_int32_t uint32_t;
nubbins`: i don't keep a list of this type of person, mp may be interested enough to look
trinque: holy shit no one knows why there's both a u_int32_t and a uint32_t
asciilifeform: fortunately we don't have to fill this swamp today
mircea_popescu: you don't even ened a motherfucking process.
mircea_popescu: i don't think nss per se is the problem here however
trinque: asciilifeform: couple files didn't download
asciilifeform: there's u_int32_t defined in sys/types.h but not uint32_t << ahahahahaha.
trinque: asciilifeform: so there's u_int32_t defined in sys/types.h but not uint32_t; I would be interested to see what sys/types.h holds for the other folks
mircea_popescu: i don't expect anything.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: don't expect them to walk in voluntarily
mircea_popescu: that you don't randomly stick binary in my ass is not a "many things"
asciilifeform: but the list of 'should but doesn't' appears to grow, grow, every time we turn over a rock.
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 15:59:59; thestringpuller: haven't been able to contact cazalla
cazalla: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084247 <<< to be fair, you didn't try until 4-5 hours ago
asciilifeform: for those who don't follow the antics of lunatics: usg is -obsessed- with domain segregation
mircea_popescu: that's what the jwz dood quite typically told me : that he "doesn't care about whatever political bone i have toi pick"
mircea_popescu: there's a deep reason permissions don't fucking work
mircea_popescu: you can't make chroot work
asciilifeform doesn't practice voodoo
asciilifeform: it isn't just 'voodoo taint' from nsa.
mats: i know why i don't like selinux, but i have a feeling we don't intersect
mats: and why don't you like sel
trinque: asciilifeform: yeah I don't use it
asciilifeform: incidentally, i don't like 'selinux'
trinque: no, saying I don't know why that would be relevant
trinque: asciilifeform: current release busts for me on uint32_t as well
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i didn't say 'authorships' but -patents- as we know'em.
nubbins`: don't think, just type
mircea_popescu: you know asciilifeform, i don't hate them. i love them.
nubbins`: i don't think i have debug symbols built in. easy way to check?
nubbins`: so i can't really say if it's actually as tender as it seemed
mircea_popescu: you can't proceed. "this harness is no good" "Why not ?" "it's yellow. duh."
mircea_popescu: there's a reason you can't have a roomsized machine.
asciilifeform: can't tell if fatchick or hippie guy
nubbins`: i'm gonna pretend that wasn't a typo
mircea_popescu: because... can't carry one.
mircea_popescu: i don't think you exactly understand how envy that wears a coat and hides in the hallways works.
mircea_popescu: if orc can't carry it, it already has problems.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didn't you predict that someone would manufacture automatic impregnatrons ? i distinctly recall an essay concerning such
asciilifeform: (don't ask how found this, l0l)
nubbins`: prob drinks the paint too, i mean, that 'clava doesn't even fit him! it's like 3x too big!
asciilifeform: ssd isn't -really- 'disposable'
mircea_popescu: pretty much means server for it can't have ssd.
trinque: and I don't know what that registry is
trinque: I don't run whatever URL that is
asciilifeform: i wouldn't. fucking hate ntsc and 60hz flicker
asciilifeform: jurov: i can't say i'm creaming my pants with excitement over the idea of doing this. but so far the alternatives have been disappointing
asciilifeform: we don't need to upgrade it ever
nubbins`: i fear this'll add complexity from the start because you won't know if the cross-compile is failing because it's a cross-compile or because the code's borked
nubbins`: i wouldn't ascribe "stuck" to having clone-able metal available
asciilifeform: (gcc doesn't care what it runs on)
jurov: can't be some supported-till-2020 distro used for now? gentoo is good, but moving target
mod6: ok. im not sure if we have a way forward on this project. or if there is, I don't know what it is.
mod6: i don't want a binary.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i'd rather have something that isn't as dependent on pc
mod6: Ok, so say that you have installed via offical docs, bla bla bla. Ok, then our release doesn't work. But we need to fix defects, and I refuse to have this happen going forward. So we need something repeatable.
nubbins`: "can't untie the knot in your laces? cut em off and apply glue-backed velcro"
mod6: yeah, I believe I did. But I can't find a build log for it.
mod6: <+nubbins`> what *has* 0.5.3.1 worked on so far? debian, darwin, that it? << what's blowing my mind is why i was able to build just fine on aws Gentoo AMI. Unless it was packed full of stuff in there that we don't want to begin with. Which must be the case.
thestringpuller: haven't been able to contact cazalla
nubbins` is good at figuring things out but is currently in position of "doesn't know what questions to ask"
nubbins`: i don't know nearly enough about gcc to be of much further use atm
nubbins`: gentoo is ostensibly used by alf because it's the sanest. the fact that bitcoind doesn't compile on it doesn't necessarily mean that the OS is the problem, nor does it mean a turd should be adopted as the OTBT
ben_vulpes: if it doesn't work how is it a candidate now?
nubbins`: gentoo on amd64, but the shit don't work
asciilifeform: i just can't get over the lulziness of usg proclaiming that stealing/extorting from an outlaw constitutes 'theft of government property'
asciilifeform: of course couldn't find.
asciilifeform: objdump -t src/obj/nogui/*.o | grep getaddrinfo
asciilifeform: nubbins`: he's got til the 30th << so you didn't need the money? or will replace him with a fresh idiot ?
asciilifeform: <nubbins`> "canot find -lssl, -lcrypto" << note! it finds the system's headers, like a moron, and builds with them, then notices no local ssl was built (it wasn't)
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> in that "proof of idempotence" has generally been orders of magnitude more successful at proving the proving party has no idea what proving means << didn't say it would be easy. or that the existing 'state of the art' is any kind of guide.
funkenstein_: nubbins i can hold the private key for you don't worry
nubbins`: you don't generate a public key from an email address, you generate it from a private key
danielpbarron already knew they weren't worth much
asciilifeform: 'Boneh, in joint work with Matt Franklin, constructed a novel pairing-based method for identity-based encryption (IBE), whereby a user's public identity, such as an email address, can function as the user's public key. Since then, Boneh's contributions, together with those of others, have shown the power and versatility of pairings, which are now used as a mainstream tool in cryptography. The transfer of pairings from theory t ☟︎☟︎☟︎
mod6: yeah, what we need now is a build environment as discussed yesterday. or we really can't move forward.
nubbins`: after renaming all int32_t to boost::int32_t: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=A2M3kkZL
nubbins`: after renaming all uint32_t to boost::uint32_t: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=D7XGyGna
nubbins`: if i manually move the headers over, back to uint32_t errors: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=taiiWaYc
nubbins`: asciilifeform mod6 ben_vulpes and others: on a side note, auto.sh doesn't put the openssl headers in /ourlibs/
lobbes: some things you can't be shown, neh? << agreed. Trial by fire, eh?
nubbins`: some things you can't be shown, neh?
nubbins` can't wait to reduce the head count in here
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and speaking of it : http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/fialka/psu/img/Tempest.png doesn't look like the exceptionally advanced thing the article promised. seems to me the solenoid-driven switching would create so much echo as to make it readily measurable.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083766 << this option is not unlike proving you didn't fuck a goat by proving you impregnated it.
mircea_popescu: your shit doesn't have to actually work.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-definitive-sovereign/ < updated, because i can't sleep now, because of this stroke of brilliance.
decimation: but it's true that they weren't
asciilifeform: last i checked, i can't waltz in to my local uni and use their mass spectrometer or nmr
decimation: that actually sounds pretty effective, assuming the listener didn't have a recorder
asciilifeform: i mean, it didn't get pulled in to the static build
asciilifeform: they didn't solder by machine, aha.
asciilifeform: 'doesn't everyone?'
asciilifeform: as decimation helpfully pointed out ~1hr ago, ssl didn't build
asciilifeform: who hasn't killed an ant colony
mircea_popescu: i don't think you appreciate how stupid people are.
mircea_popescu: airjets can be made out of imported parts. and are. and they suck. and it doesn't matter.