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mircea_popescu: but as a great man once said, "it is forbidden
to
teach nonsense. but
the study of nonsense,
that's scholarship"
MolokoDesk: economics as a persuasive force is intriguing.
the way
the statistical distribution of ideology follows various market forces.
MolokoDesk: ok. we're in
the same book
there if not
the same page.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather discuss actually self-aware religions
than bizarre cults
that claim
they're not.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk only
thing i can agree about re keynesianism is
that it's retarded
assbot: Logged on 02-02-2014 18:18:59; mircea_popescu:
today at nsa headquarters, "sir, i would like
to apply for permission
to spend 10bn usd dollars in btc equivalent by dumpting our stash"
MolokoDesk: something we may agree on is
that equlibrium models in macroeconomics aren't particularly descriptive,
things like keynsian macroeconomics.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk as
to your what happens : he becomes a stakeholder.
there's a nice little fable re
the nsa stash in
the logs relating
to
this.
dub: one of
the proposed climate hacks is block out
the sun with sulfur
mircea_popescu: it's not like
the future of
the
theory of gravity is uncertain. it's quite certain.
MolokoDesk: ok. what happens if someone spends 12 million BTC
to a non-stakeholder, someone who wants
to use it as general purchasing power.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk
that's not an adequate model for
things such as gravity.
mircea_popescu: anyway,
this philosophical arcana aside, i can see
that people got bills
to pay and so on, so. no argument from me.,
MolokoDesk: there's a notion called non-entailment. it describes
the non-predictability of evolving systems
that lose backward-linked information as
they evolve and for which
there are a large number of adjacent states for which
the fitness landscape is unknown or unknowable.
kakobrekla: sun is just fine, earth on
the other hand, fucked.
kakobrekla: sun is "trying
to survive". < remember
the matrix clouds
MolokoDesk: he epiphenomena
that grow out of
that may not be.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk in
the sense
the sun is "trying
to survive".
mircea_popescu: it's offering a narrow window for people
to be friendly, is all.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk
the
thing is, bitcoin isn't
trying
to make friends.
MolokoDesk: there's also
the volatility issue, but
that may smooth out under certain conditions.
mircea_popescu: bounce wait wtf, german
telecom wants
to charge users for being spied ?!
MolokoDesk: right now bitcoin has a spendability problem, along with
the disincentive
to spend created by
the expectation of deflation.
MolokoDesk: if
the only people who care about developing bitcoin are stakeholders,
then having more stakeholders means more development and more likelihood
that bitcoin in particular and decentralized cryptocurrencies in general will be around in
the desired form in
the long run.
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MolokoDesk: well, increasing
the number of stakeholders would make sense.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk among other
things bitcoin is not very friendly
to
the fiat world model of work for hire. it very heavily favours
the linux style of doing
things.
MolokoDesk: there's kind of an odd hybrid
type of open source made by companies like Rackspace.
they give
the stuff away for free because it generates enormous amounts of work for
them.
mircea_popescu: <MolokoDesk> or for whom you do it. << well, yes, plenty of idiots manage
to cosy up with
the clueless and live decently in
the process. not rly my cup of
tea, but
th world's full of
tims and andreases.
MolokoDesk: linux has a lot of ancillary work it creates by people versed in
the field and who know it's internals or can modify it. So
the people working on it are contributing
to it because besides being generallly useful and having
the political influence it does,
they make a lot of money on it.
mircea_popescu: which is why
things like linux can exist in
the first placew.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk retainers are useful where work is abundant and workers scarce.
this is not
the case in coding,
MolokoDesk: can I make
the btc equivalent purchasing power of USD $1200 per month doing
this?
mircea_popescu: heck,
there's not so many ugly women in btc. which makes one
think... what if
there's more
to hotness
than usually
thought ?
MolokoDesk: ok, guess, we should
talk about what adding a payment option
to
this and maintaining
the bot long
term are worth in
terms of comp.
dub: its
teh internet and 'they' are female,
there can't be more
than one
mircea_popescu: why
the hell does everyone
think everyone's
the same person as everyone else.
dub: or, idk im out of
the loop
dub: mircea_popescu: I
thought
they were
teh same person
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk well
that's why it's very important
to be loud and clear about what you have in mind.
MolokoDesk: you'll get
this regardless. I'm just saying
this isn't what I had in mind.
bounce: for
the blogposts. what else?
MolokoDesk: I'd usually bill low 4 figures for something like
this USD.
bounce: cards in
the mail
to all
the rich and powerful. "call our bitcoin f0ne!"
MolokoDesk: ok. I'm not sure
the entire content of my conversations during 'recruiting' were relayed. I usually
take and advance or progress payment on staring a project, and
the rest of
the comp on delivery
to satisfaction of
the person who wanted
the work.
There's no way I could have done
this for
the initial payment.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol but how do you figure
this does
that ?!
bounce: on
that note, how's
the bitcoin f0ne going?
RagnarDanneskjol: I'm just addressing punkman's issue regarding coins spent
to random addresses
mircea_popescu: and he changed from
the block
thing
to
the
tx
thing which is fine.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol what's
that
to do
tho ? i mean,
this is merely how
to index
things on
the site.
mircea_popescu: dub don't forget all
the
trolls i pay
to bother random anons
that forgot
to
take
their pills on random forums nobody reads.
dub: i was
thinking mpif ops, but yeah, sticking shit up your ass is another earner
mircea_popescu: people are getting paid
to flash
their
tits, what're you
talkin' aboot.
assbot: Logged on 30-09-2014 11:35:08; mircea_popescu:
talk
to me.
mircea_popescu: as far as your own case is concerned however, iirc you wanted some bitcents
to cover for september, which you got, which is where we're now.
dub reserve
the right
to be entirely wrong
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk people in bitcoin are as a rule filthy rich, which means
they do whatever
the fuck
they feel like doing, which is why coming up with
things
that are actually worth doing is so important and getting people
to adhere
to
trhe highest standards so easy.
dub: aside from possibly a handfull paid
to run mp's questionable meta-investment-vehicles I
think -assets labour is expected
to be free (as in beer)
MolokoDesk: (oops. missed mp, who is
the person I should
talk with
this about)
bounce: depends on where you are. in
the big blue room,
the sky is
the limit.
mats_cd03: fun fact:
the Bluetooth Low Energy spec has
three key exchange mechanisms. 2/3 "do not provide any passive eavesdropping protection" (as per spec).
MolokoDesk: (we've never really discussed
the intent of compensation for work here. It matters
to me because I have
to make a living, so I have
to be able
to bill at US-livable rates. I'm not sure how people work in #bitcoin-assets... it may be
that everyone is developing "for free" because
they are stakeholders in keeping
the exchange going so
they can use it, or
the utility value of contributiing is worth it, or
they're used
to doing
bounce: of course, assets.com is squatted. wonder what
they'll ask for it.
mircea_popescu: anyway,
the state in my head is
that
th bundle gets hashed into a pubkey which is where dust is sent.
RagnarDanneskjol: we discussed
this at one point and determined
this was
the best approach - as alternative
to millibtc
to be recovered from a multitude of pregenerated addresses
punkman: (by random I mean based on
the bundle hash)
punkman: it picks a random bitcoin address instead of generating
the private key for one
punkman: mircea_popescu: because it goes from file hash
to pub address
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk: I should block
that. << i wouldn't worry about vandals at
the application level. if
they do it
they may get devoiced which is enough deterrent.
punkman: turns out deedbot burns
the coins
mircea_popescu: how
the hell else will he know
the bot's
tits up anyway
mats_cd03: well... if you're in assbot's L2 i guess i could do
that.
mircea_popescu: ;;later
tell MolokoDesk aite once you wake up, kako's going
to set you up with a deeds.bitcoin-assets.com zone and a server login. an wipe
the
test bundles when you do it
too.
RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu - I seriously doubt he'll see
that. will send him an email
mats_cd03: ;;later
tell BingoBoingo if you want
to read something on HeinOnline, LexisNexis, Westlaw let me know
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk aite once you wake up, kako's going
to set you up with a deeds.bitcoin-assets.com zone and a server login.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla and does
that come with some server space ? :)
jurov: <Vexual> ya
they love a droplet in prague << no
they're just world experts on alcohol
kakobrekla: you want some b-a.com a record for
the deed
thing
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bounce: needs a bit of a crew, some buy-in from a few groups, and so on,
to get
the
thing started
mircea_popescu: fucktards.
they fail
to list "we suck
to
the degree we will die of self imposed attrition. we don't even
talk
to people wh owant
to give us free servers anymore"