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asciilifeform: they shoot horses don't they (tm)
mircea_popescu: "my solution for fixing this guy's liver is to dispense with the guy"
asciilifeform: hence idea, just dispense with the msdos
mircea_popescu: well if that's how you're going to go about it, how about running deathtrack in an emulator while linux handles bitcoin and call it a msdos bitcoind ?
asciilifeform: communicate with net through slip, via one serial line; accept commands & return output through another; deal with key material through a third.
mircea_popescu: you do, yes, inasmuch as afaik it's compiled on 16 bit with a bunch of strange as what's maxint. won't even be able to reference half the arrays becayse they smash various stacks
asciilifeform: (easiest solution: forget file system in the 1st place, just use raw block device. and then you don't even need msdos for anything.) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what sonny, you're too good for volume swaps ?
asciilifeform: if seriously considering this, note that you will need a number of nontrivial bolt-ons - ability to mount >2gb file system, for one thing
thestringpuller: as opposed to say a video game...
thestringpuller: bitcoin is rather portable tho
mircea_popescu: wasn't exactly "designed from the ground up with portability in mind"
asciilifeform: dos can talk ethernet << you want something as hardware nonspecific as possible.
mircea_popescu: kinda my point. bitcoind makes a bunch of assumptions about what it can do to the internet
mircea_popescu: bounce does it talk internet well tho ?
bounce: dos can talk ethernet, see "crynwr" packet drivers for one.
pete_dushenski: following footnote added to "the node guide": Disclaimer! This Guide sets up the latest version of bitcoind, which is obviously a piece of fucking Bitcoin Fundation shit on a stick. This Guide will be updated with instructions on setting up bitcoind 0.6-0.7 asap.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 1.75950926 BTC to 29`438 shares, 5977 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: tbh the msdos stack bug carnival + bitcoin bug carnival would be one sad hell.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if they did i don't recall it
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pankkake hey listen, how much would you want to compile and sign a bunch of code ? specifically eulora codebase and proper bitcoind (.6-.7 versions) ? gentoo and whatever else you can stomach.
asciilifeform: did somebody once put up a bounty for ms-dos build of bitcoind ('slip/ppp' over rs232 for netpipe, presumably) ? or did i dream this
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ketchup is fine. just have to have a little direction :)
mircea_popescu: anyone want to do a bunch of compiling and sign stuff ?
mircea_popescu: but actually his is a legitimate request. i guess im adding this to the "wanted maintainer for eulora binaries" thing : wanted maintainer for bitcoin binaries.
asciilifeform: or make good friends with the nuts and bolts alone, for ages.
asciilifeform: n00b, as in any serious business, must apprentice to another.
mircea_popescu: i guess it's an interesting question, "what's the new guy to do". bunch of playing catchup it seems
mircea_popescu: generally the people involved in bitcoin to this level kinda have the history, and a complete file of historical versions and so on.
pete_dushenski: the instructions in my "guide" definitely need improvement. currently point people towards latest bitcoind
mircea_popescu: or if you trust anyone, you get a binary from them
mircea_popescu: well you get the code off the repository and compile it
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and where might i find the scripts for this?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: this i know! any suggestions for how to remedy this??
asciilifeform read the published script, sees nothing to verify installation of particular known-hygienic classical ver. of bitcoind
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: how did i do that?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you really should know better than taking bitcoin "foundation" shit at face value yo.
asciilifeform: go hax telegraph.
Apocalyptic: as these only publish publicly reachable nodes
asciilifeform: so back to telegraph ?
Apocalyptic: <pete_dushenski> there are now less than 7000 active nodes :( // I don't know where you're getting your data from, but if it's solely based on https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/ it's wrong
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: so it turns out deedbot got haxed. << preventing this was only $1200/mo indefinitely ;)
pete_dushenski: there are now less than 7000 active nodes :(
pete_dushenski: i also managed to sort out the errors i was encountering in debian.
pete_dushenski: so i riffed off pankkake's node tutorial and inserted a few more instructions
thestringpuller: glad it was caught tho
thestringpuller: what is this luke-jr thing going on?
thickasthieves: i suppose it's possible for bitcoin to be worth more than all the transactable equity in the world
asciilifeform: afaik nobody actually cares how many pictures of ben franklin one can get for 1 btc. but if 1 btc buys, say, computer, or tractor, or half a year of food, etc. ☟︎
thickasthieves: pro ta
thickasthieves: pretty thick nerdy joke though, tyvm
ben_vulpes: "don't denominate the btc in usd, and vice versa"
ben_vulpes: no, i'm just trying to not watch the markets.
thickasthieves: youre gonna tweet out of phase noise all day?
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 38036136893.6 based on data since last change | 34836558052.4 based on data for last three days
ben_vulpes: i'm trying the taleb approach to noise reduction
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.11149742 BTC to 15`474 shares, 7183 satoshi per share
mike_c: he meant the play exchanges (nasdaq)
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 354.97, Best ask: 355.76, Bid-ask spread: 0.79000, Last trade: 354.97, 24 hour volume: 35089.03268405, 24 hour low: 349.0, 24 hour high: 390.0, 24 hour vwap: 369.022564073
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 2.71397168 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 236 satoshi per share
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> so it turns out deedbot got haxed. << deets?
thickasthieves: you can always be together at least
mike_c: I feel a little dirty. I'm getting more traffic from google now because I have a page for every bitbet. oops.
asciilifeform: (put a bullet through a long-overdue zombie)
asciilifeform: when read the news, had the idea that ljr was trying to accomplish something like the above.
asciilifeform: re: gentoo & ljr: i'd like to suggest a new patch to the latest bitcoind. if the day of the month is odd, format hdd.
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RagnarDanneskjol: yea good times. punkman says he's making progress on a pyth version
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> so it turns out deedbot got haxed. < O_o
thickasthieves: curated is like saying they take responsibility for 3rd part listings, but not
thickasthieves: cuz you want your devs to stay for more than 10min?
bounce: why does one need a million to start an exchange?
bounce: well, that's something. IMO a blacklist on actors in the system is still entirely the wrong thing to even have. if you want to filter "abusive" txes you'd have to have some objective measure and preferrably a deterministic detection algorithm of abusiveness.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, but until the quantcast is fed...
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell thestringpuller New high, 924 views over 459 persons per Wordpress stats
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's the .com, the parking lot control company
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mircea_popescu: so it turns out deedbot got haxed. ☟︎
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 32873538172.4 based on data since last change | 34777196895.2 based on data for last three days
mircea_popescu: lmao. dude... anyone can do that. including the derp writing the report.
mircea_popescu: if you're the sort of gentoo/linux/foss user that downloads and runs buggy pieces of shit, you're expected to either a) be conversant in code and fix em or else b) not run production.
bounce: well, at least someone thought up a nice logo for bitcoind-ljr.
Luke-Jr: thickasthieves: the default in gentoo is for highly technical users to judge; the reference code is for developers to read
mircea_popescu: none of this is remarkable, but in fact functioning as intended.
mircea_popescu: look, it's really simple. gentoo doesn't give a shit about bitcoin, it's yet another crackpot app as far as they're concerned. at some internal review it was determined it's much too buggy to be in main, and so it got put wherever they put retarded shit, and put someone in charge of it, in this case luke. the someone in charge is doing weird shit to it, as you'd expect of someone in charge of a buggy piece of shit not
thickasthieves: the default in gentoo is a thing
Luke-Jr: thickasthieves: the reference code is a thing
Luke-Jr: bounce: and we wouldn't want to *force* it on anyone
thickasthieves: which people are things?
bounce: then that's still no argument. also you're not answering the question.
thickasthieves: we'll say 7 then
Luke-Jr: I don't have that exact number.
thickasthieves: ok how many people using the bitcoin wallet in gentoo would blindly use this default
mircea_popescu: as per usual, reddit makes a mess of things. they're like ten year olds, those people. "o did you hear sugar kills ? sure, it killed sam's dog!"
bounce: turns out it ended up as the default option, so that's one argument down the drain.
Luke-Jr: because we can just apply the patch or not
Luke-Jr: bounce: it's better than nothing, until we have a better spam filter implementation
thickasthieves: i'm like dude, look at the list
mircea_popescu: in fact, anyone with the werewithal to boycott as much as a donut stand can just as well patch out whatever.