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asciilifeform: somebody shoot him a mail ????
asciilifeform: ( FG has ~three~ clock domains, and it was a bitch. exercise for reader: which 3 ??? )
asciilifeform: i'd luvvv a clock like that, btw
mircea_popescu: takes "flickers in and out of existence" to a whole new level.
asciilifeform: has mircea_popescu ever seen a multi-Ghz box-to-box wire ?
asciilifeform: there'll be a khz item in there, regardless.
mircea_popescu: or don't put a disk in this.
asciilifeform: the traditional scheme is that a read happens when the thing being read drops its busy line; and a write begins when when the 'victim' drops his busy signal, and ends when he drops it again after raising.
mircea_popescu: basically it's a signal processor someone dropped on the floor.
asciilifeform: could make nsa-free cpu out of stock ecl logic, a few dozen ics.
asciilifeform: 'want to write to me? wait a bit'
asciilifeform: it simply means 'if yer trying to read from me, you gotta wait or go do something else for a spell'
asciilifeform: so for instance if you want to load in a constant somewhere, you gotta read it from the constanttron (which is some range of addrs)
asciilifeform: cpu reads from source (which can be a slow device, it waits for readysignal) and writes (ditto) to B.
asciilifeform: word A is 'source' and B is 'destination'
asciilifeform: there exists ( in the sense where asciilifeform thought of it, but then went to dig in the dusty libraries and discovered ancient tomes ) a thing called 'tta' ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: go right ahead, i'm having a sammich.
asciilifeform: speaking of which, i've been wanting to discuss 'simplest cpu' for a while. ☟︎
asciilifeform: given that the system includes a physical component, this is reasonable
mircea_popescu: which makes the "0 days cost X" a legitimate statement of the ~security~ of a system.
mircea_popescu: the ~only way to specify the security of a certain, definite, given system is still "good for up to $x btc"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja read the beginning, say, of ffa. there's a proof of correctness for the adder, for instance.
mircea_popescu: tsk tsk. is this a 0 day being sold here ?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-30 16:05 asciilifeform: there is not ( and probably provably cannot be ) a 'luby for computation'
mircea_popescu: in fact, no medicine yet devised bestows endless life as a young man ; and yet i can say sulfmetoxazole better for gonorhea than cough syrup.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-31 16:28 asciilifeform: and if someone wants to mention godel etc -- ethical engineer MAY NOT cite godel, EVER, just as a police detective MAY NOT cite the supernatural and admit a hypothesis of miraculous theft from a safe
asciilifeform: 'secure' is a binary.
mircea_popescu: goes from full to empty in a yard and then it stops the next yard ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so your car has a special indicator, binary, E/F ?
mircea_popescu: point remains -- "the only available 0day costs > 100k" is a legitimate specification-of-security.\
mircea_popescu: this is a very typical ustardian headroach, deliberately educated into their brains like those african tribes with the flattened skulls.
mircea_popescu: sort-of how "the improved technology" of us army makes most countries immune to it. "what, you're gonna blow a 5mn tomahawk to destroy this here 20k hangar ? bwahahaha go right ahead, the chinese give 50k in cash rebates for each destroyed hangar they rebuild cuz you tomahawked."
a111: Logged on 2017-06-30 09:07 sina: once long ago, I ran a tor hidden service that allowed anyone to execute any command they liked on it, as a deanonymisation challenge
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1677276 << this is reminiscent of the 'i left a box with bait of 1 bitcent and nobody broke it, SEKOORE!!!1' -- you gotta ask 'was the game worth the candles'. an 0day can be worth from $100k to $maxint; why does your particular honeypot, merit blowing it. ☝︎
asciilifeform: it isn't clear to asciilifeform how much 'room for improvement' there is, unless one were to cough up solutions to a number of unsolved ( and possibly unsolvable ) mathematical boojums
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you don't need real time response, or monotonicity ( you made a change and it stays made , instead of randomly reverting itself like fart in the wind ) then existing botnet is more or less what you want.
trinque: shell's all wrong; you have no idea when you're getting a response in chickennet
mircea_popescu: not a fundamental.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a shell is an artefact of technology, like say the "eingeer's" coal shovel.
mircea_popescu: the key elements are a) specify a quanta and b) let them either get to it or not. some will.
mircea_popescu: definitionally, "what could you possibly do with a fridgenet???" "bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: and for that matter -- bitcoin is computed by a) 1024 flickering nodes that b) lose data or processing all the time.
mircea_popescu: ideally should be code about a list of dota characters.
shinohai: If a black mayogendered tgirl writes code, will the universe implode?
ben_vulpes: to quote #programmer-therapy: "i just sat clicking at a recaptcha for five minutes before it would accept that i'm human."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever use a box over a 'martian' connection, that drops, say, 90% of packets
asciilifeform: ddos is one example, in the sense where it absolutely does not matter if a ~particular~ packet of liquishit gets sent or not
ben_vulpes entertained a sales pitch from a seller with some relevant snake oil recently
asciilifeform worked in this very racket for a spell, ended up quitting in disgust
asciilifeform: which is a comical pit of usgology, not a single item in the 'toolbox' actually works as described, or is based on anything other than wishful thinking
mircea_popescu: hey, it wouldn't be a sour grape if it could be had.
asciilifeform: there is not ( and probably provably cannot be ) a 'luby for computation' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re "how many activities" -- it's not so clear to me, and moreover the consensus of hardware farmers (as opposed to coders) is that there's not much reason this absolutely should be the case, other than, to quote, "largely a lack of originality in the types of commands executed".
asciilifeform: i'ma bake an ada mphashtron also. but currently in 'one piece on conveyor at a time' mode.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-30 08:20 mircea_popescu: the typical botnet is what, a bunch of fridges sending ntp requests ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1677176 << believe or not, there is a reason for this: not so many activities tolerate arbitrarily unreliable, flickering '1024 chickens' ☝︎
trinque: I'm curious about asciilifeform's 64bit DOS as a network-edge device.
asciilifeform: isolation of 'naked x86', via whatever means, is a nonstarter.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-30 08:03 sina: it's a linux kernel feature you can use to limit which syscalls a program has access to...the original version of seccomp allowed only read()/write()/exit() syscalls
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1677070 << and that's when you realize that the ~adult~ gossipd is a 150x moar complicated item. ☝︎☟︎☟︎
shinohai: I promise if Framedragger ever gets her to show up here and !~tits to give here a +1 ^.^
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1677316 << it is not unlike the diff b/w living in a train station bench vs a building to which you have title in manhattan ☝︎
trinque: Framedragger: that "crypto-anarchist" thing is exactly a continuation of the american notion of "omg it's a free country, can do whatever I want"
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1677141 << hadn't had a chance to pick it up for a bit; got time this weekend though. item I've got can maintain balances, send and mark-paid invoices. I think I'll handle deposits manually and call that a first cut, trb address tracking without a privkey isn't there yet. ☝︎☟︎
Framedragger: regardless of tor being a thing or not
trinque: and "tor is a thing, really, because reasons" ?
Framedragger: ftr i respect her a lot, tmsr and me will have to agree to disagree
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1677304 << 100% tru. ("at least i got paid a bit for it", but myeah.) ☝︎☟︎
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1676837 << tbh "domain ownership" is a joke anyway ☝︎
mircea_popescu: having the item running can't hurt in any case. if it gets owned, you learn a lesson. if it doesn't, it ... works.
sina: same sandboxing techniques can be used to go a long way
mircea_popescu: the thing sucked a lot of naive youth time that way.
mircea_popescu: a ok then. that was the hair lol.
sina: mircea_popescu: it was trying to prove at the time, that you could construct system in such a way that it can't expose its own info by amateur fuckups
mircea_popescu: now, a bunch of all-talk wedidits couldn't do whatever medium diff task. ok. how's this relate to silk road dood ?
sina: mircea_popescu: it was more to prove the point at the time that Ulbricht was a numpty who couldn't secure his own ass
mircea_popescu: sina sounds interesting as a prototype at any rate.
sina: once long ago, I ran a tor hidden service that allowed anyone to execute any command they liked on it, as a deanonymisation challenge ☟︎
sina: you can run the command in a sandbox and track it with cgroups in linux
ben_vulpes: or, a different set of eyes.
ben_vulpes: cl runs 3-4x longer than the go impl after attending to all the compiler notes i can; probably need a pointer on profiling common lisp code to squeeze much more out of it
sina: instead, IRC bot which accepts any shell command, tracks CPU time, mem used, block and network IO consumed and presents a bill
sina: I think this is a much more interesting idea than the IRC bot I was goign to make that plays chess
sina: but I guess you are assuming you'd never add a rando peasant
ben_vulpes: also worth mentioning the feedback loop where a and c get the wrong keys somehow and go talk to b about it
mircea_popescu: a could be!
sina: and I am basically just grokking the thing less than a week ago
sina: as B has fucked C and A and exchange paper with both of them
mircea_popescu: a yes, C not b.
sina: I guess I was thinking of C tells A
sina: I did but in my mind that falls more under A fucks B
a111: Logged on 2017-06-28 02:18 mircea_popescu: the only way for A and B to be introduced, outside of the grandfatherly, A fucks B and they exchange bits of paper, is C tells A about B and B about A.
sina: I'm just trying to envision what a "one" is
mircea_popescu: is a new child an athlete artist intellectual cook ?
sina: is a "new one" a full host, i.e. CPU/RAM/HDD/public IP?
mircea_popescu: i suppose i'm missing out on a lot of watching four movies at once through pay per view.
mircea_popescu: "FOR THE DEMOCRACY! PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO LOOK UP YOUR BLADDER!"
mircea_popescu: dunno how much useful anything can a windows box execute, but for the sake of argument
sina: when I was a bit younger I worked for managed hosting company
sina: sure, but that is largely a lack of originality in the types of commands executed, but the botnet itself can execute whatever